Analysis 2016 Draft...

[marty36]

Definitely worth the risk. You have to take players based on talent. If they become injury prone, so be it. That's definitely how we've drafted in the past.

We didn't last year we want this year

 

[Danger in Texas]

We didn't last year we want this year

Like I said, Doedee had injury issues I think.

As Bicks said, a lot of players we'll be considering for our first (or at least should be) have had injury problems. We very much draft whoever's the best talent available, so I'd say the concerns around, say, Venables, Simpkin and Berry wouldn't worry us.

 

[Ozzie]

I don't like taking players who have had broken legs. That is just a personal view I have.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

People often say to me .....how can you come to an assessment of a player off the back of 2-3 U18 Championship games ......this is how!!! ...can anyone explain to me why he ends up on a Rookie list?

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Like I said, Doedee had injury issues I think.

As Bicks said, a lot of players we'll be considering for our first (or at least should be) have had injury problems. We very much draft whoever's the best talent available, so I'd say the concerns around, say, Venables, Simpkin and Berry wouldn't worry us.

Doedee's injury IIRC was pre-season ......one of the reasons for the injuries to juniors in the U18 draft year, is the massive workload the boys have, that their bodies have not been conditioned to

Increased number of U18 Championship games over previous years ....TAC football, and this year the addition of am All-Stars game just 4-5 days after TAC Grand Finals

 

[WaynesWorld19]

I don't like taking players who have had broken legs. That is just a personal view I have.

Think it depends on the type of break, and which part of the legs .....but yes, more nervous about legs than knees these days .....can affect pace, and lateral movement

 

[WaynesWorld19]

 

[Danger in Texas]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-11-13/crow-candidates-queue-to-fill-midfield-void-left-by-lyons

"We'll go to the draft and pick the best player there, whether it's a midfielder, forward or defender.

"History shows you can pick the best player whatever area they come from … so our philosophy is to pick the best talent there."

This makes me think Marshall is in the equation, which really worries me, as I don't think he's a need this year

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Again Twomey saying Will Brodie could be available at #11 to North Melbourne ......now given Norths will go pace .....there's now a distinct chance Brodie could fall, which is simply stupidity

What's amazing me listening to the show .....is these kids draft position is being influenced on as little as the players last 2 games ......geesus, again just increases my cynicism at this following of players for 2 years ......FFS TALENT IS TALENT ......no club should recruit based on recent form

 

[WaynesWorld19]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-11-13/crow-candidates-queue-to-fill-midfield-void-left-by-lyons

"We'll go to the draft and pick the best player there, whether it's a midfielder, forward or defender.

"History shows you can pick the best player whatever area they come from … so our philosophy is to pick the best talent there."

This makes me think Marshall is in the equation, which really worries me, as I don't think he's a need this year

Why not ? ........Whoever we pick is not going to have an influence next year ....if we go Marshall, we can get other mids at #43

Marshall is about the only player i would go away from an inside mid for

 

[Ozzie]

Why not ? ........Whoever we pick is not going to have an influence next year ....if we go Marshall, we can get other mids at #43

Marshall is about the only player i would go away from an inside mid for

Me too. He would be Tex's replacement I see Dear as JJ's.

 

[Danger in Texas]

Why not ? ........Whoever we pick is not going to have an influence next year ....if we go Marshall, we can get other mids at #43

Marshall is about the only player i would go away from an inside mid for

Any KPF that we draft in the first round over the next two years is probably a Jenkins replacement. Considering Jenkins probably comes out of the side in around 2020, Marshall wouldn't make an impact for four years for us. I reckon our time to contend is around 2018/19, and I reckon a 2nd/3rd year mid can have some sort of an impact around then. If we go Marshall this year and a mid next year, that mid probably won't be able to have as much of an impact, considering he'll have one less year of development under his belt. No guarantee that any mid that we draft at 43 will make it, either - definitely a statistically lower chance at making it than a pick 13 midfielder would.

The smart decision IMO is to go for a mid this year, and a KPF type next year.

 

[Ozzie]

Think it depends on the type of break, and which part of the legs .....but yes, more nervous about legs than knees these days .....can affect pace, and lateral movement

Why I was glad we passed on Ryan Burton last year.

 

[Danger in Texas]

Again Twomey saying Will Brodie could be available at #11 to North Melbourne ......now given Norths will go pace .....there's now a distinct chance Brodie could fall, which is simply stupidity

What's amazing me listening to the show .....is these kids draft position is being influenced on as little as the players last 2 games ......geesus, again just increases my cynicism at this following of players for 2 years ......FFS TALENT IS TALENT ......no club should recruit based on recent form

Imagine...

1: Essendon - McCluggage
2: GWS - McGrath
3: Brisbane - Ainsworth
4: Gold Coast - SPS
5: Gold Coast - Bowes
6: GWS - Setterfield
7: Carlton - Hayward
8: Fremantle - English
9: Gold Coast - Taranto
10: GWS - Perryman
11: Sydney - Logue
12: Gold Coast - Scrimshaw
13: North - Venables/Florent
14: WCE - SPP
15: Adel - Brodie

Would be an absolute dream come true. Won't happen, though.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Me too. He would be Tex's replacement I see Dear as JJ's.

Marshal has the potential as you say of being a very classy forward ......has a big ego that i like, has great ground ball skills, elite agility & regularly turns inside opponents inside out .....excellent hands, but has to improve his contested marking ala Tex

Good Tall always over the good mid

 

[Ozzie]

Any KPF that we draft in the first round over the next two years is probably a Jenkins replacement. Considering Jenkins probably comes out of the side in around 2020, Marshall wouldn't make an impact for four years for us. I reckon our time to contend is around 2018/19, and I reckon a 2nd/3rd year mid can have some sort of an impact around then. If we go Marshall this year and a mid next year, that mid probably won't be able to have as much of an impact, considering he'll have one less year of development under his belt. No guarantee that any mid that we draft at 43 will make it, either - definitely a statistically lower chance at making it than a pick 13 midfielder would.

The smart decision IMO is to go for a mid this year, and a KPF type next year.

I look at it this way by taking Marshall this year we would have a years development into him. We have young mids wanting a gig and we could take a mid at 43 and BJ the next pick.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Any KPF that we draft in the first round over the next two years is probably a Jenkins replacement. Considering Jenkins probably comes out of the side in around 2020, Marshall wouldn't make an impact for four years for us. I reckon our time to contend is around 2018/19, and I reckon a 2nd/3rd year mid can have some sort of an impact around then. If we go Marshall this year and a mid next year, that mid probably won't be able to have as much of an impact, considering he'll have one less year of development under his belt. No guarantee that any mid that we draft at 43 will make it, either - definitely a statistically lower chance at making it than a pick 13 midfielder would.

The smart decision IMO is to go for a mid this year, and a KPF type next year.

We also drafted Talia when we had Davis and no immediate opportunities for yet another tall .....club has shown it will take a good tall if it has the opportunity, and last year bid on an Academy tall, thus showing its intentions

So i thought everyone was in sync with the best available at #13 ?

It also appears that Brodie maybe available and i would be surprised if Venables is not their for the taking if we wish (i hope)

 

[Bicks]

I reckon we can still find some inside midfield depth in the later parts of the draft. Classy balanced midfielders, injured or not, don't last long in drafts. Simpkin can play inside but won't be a big ball winner. That's where I think CEY comes into the mix.

I like the fact you at least have Matthew Signorello on your board, a lot haven't. Only saw him the once but did he ever impress me, played mid/forward that day, hard at it in and under in the midfield, inside/outside when playing midfield, really good outside speed with run and carry, for someone his size exceptional overhead and a booming kick. I understand the knock on him is inconsistent by foot though not that day and that he tends to handball rather than kick sometimes. Understand he was injured late in the season and didn't test at the State combine, do you know the extent of the injury?? Would be real keen if he's available late or rookie.

 

[Bicks]

I look at it this way by taking Marshall this year we would have a years development into him. We have young mids wanting a gig and we could take a mid at 43 and BJ the next pick.

Marshall will take longer than 1 year to get to AFL standard bodywise and endurance wise but certainly has all the tools with the right development.

 

[Danger in Texas]

I look at it this way by taking Marshall this year we would have a years development into him. We have young mids wanting a gig and we could take a mid at 43 and BJ the next pick.

Yeah, but Jenkins is still going to go out at the same time, no matter what. Would that extra year of development be worth it? I'd say, if our new KPF comes into the side permanently in 2021, we'd get almost the same output from a 5th year player (if we get Marshall) or a 4th year player (if we get one next year).

If we get a mid with pick 13, it's much more likely he'll turn into an elite talent (which is what we need) than pick 43. I reckon, for 2018/19, it's best for our potential elite mid to have an extra year of development under his belt, to allow him to have more of an impact. Meanwhile, Jenkins *should* still be in the side, playing at a similar level.

 

[Danger in Texas]

We also drafted Talia when we had Davis and no immediate opportunities for yet another tall .....club has shown it will take a good tall if it has the opportunity, and last year bid on an Academy tall, thus showing its intentions

So i thought everyone was in sync with the best available at #13 ?

It also appears that Brodie maybe available and i would be surprised if Venables is not their for the taking if we wish (i hope)

FTR I wouldn't be upset if we took Marshall, think he has a lot of upside. I'd just be worried, for the reasons mentioned above. You are right on the first point, though.

Would love Brodie more than Venables, and that's saying something. Brodie is an absolute beast in the guts and would be able to make an impact from round 1. Reckon he still has a fair amount of development in him too, he is by no means bulked up.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

FTR I wouldn't be upset if we took Marshall, think he has a lot of upside. I'd just be worried, for the reasons mentioned above. You are right on the first point, though.

Would love Brodie more than Venables, and that's saying something. Brodie is an absolute beast in the guts and would be able to make an impact from round 1. Reckon he still has a fair amount of development in him too, he is by no means bulked up.

I love being different .......looking at attributes, i still prefer Venables over Brodie ......it's just that Brodie is more exposed

 

[Danger in Texas]

I love being different .......looking at attributes, i still prefer Venables over Brodie ......it's just that Brodie is more exposed

Reckon that Venables is the more appetising prospect due to the explosive speed, combined with footskills, strength overhead and tackling ferocity. Screams match-winner. Brodie has all of those traits as well IMO (bar the contested marking), but produces a LOT more at this stage in his career. Way more dominant in the guts at the moment than Venables. Like I said, Brodie hasn't hit his ceiling yet either, not already bulky like Graham

 

[hey shorty]

Again Twomey saying Will Brodie could be available at #11 to North Melbourne ......now given Norths will go pace .....there's now a distinct chance Brodie could fall, which is simply stupidity

What's amazing me listening to the show .....is these kids draft position is being influenced on as little as the players last 2 games ......geesus, again just increases my cynicism at this following of players for 2 years ......FFS TALENT IS TALENT ......no club should recruit based on recent form

Nakia Cockatoo.....

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Reckon that Venables is the more appetising prospect due to the explosive speed, combined with footskills, strength overhead and tackling ferocity. Screams match-winner. Brodie has all of those traits as well IMO (bar the contested marking), but produces a LOT more at this stage in his career. Way more dominant in the guts at the moment than Venables. Like I said, Brodie hasn't hit his ceiling yet either, not already bulky like Graham

Not sure Brodie has that breakway speed .....he gets cramped alot on his disposals by foot ?

Excellent vision though and tends to throw out longer handballs than most that clears the congestion .......both Brodie and Venables are very composed though with ball in hand