Analysis 2016 Draft...

[marty36]

Who said that Sloane wasn't a good kick, and why bring him into it. Surely you aren't suggesting that M Crouch is at Sloane's level.
Rory is a great user of the footy both in disposal and in his decision making and if we had 3 of him we wouldn't have a problem.
In modern footy retaining possession and using the ball going forward are imperative as turnovers haven't been punished the other way at any time in the history of our game. That's why Sydney happily traded Tom Mitchell out and why WC took Sam Mitchell even though he is 117. It's also why Hawthorn have been so successful even though they don't win contested ball and why we didn't win flags even when we did have Danger in our side. We can afford one of Crouch or Thommo in the side, but we wanted Gibbs to complement them for a very good reason.

So many variables with Kicking, kane Cornes kicking effeciency was good but he would only kick it 20 metres, Dangers is far worse but he penetrates and hurts you, sloane only has a medium kick so did Sam mitchell. Nathan Buckley was the best kick Ive seen he would dob it 60 and hit a target and just go over lines. Danger has that strenght in his kick just needs to control it. Then you have players who, because of where they take the ball are under constant pressure, maybe they would be better by handballing it like A jarman who didnt have a bad kick but was more of a sloane distance.

I dont think Sloane is a great kick, he isnt a terrible one but his penetration surely lets him down. Crouch isnt any better or worse but far from a Simon Tregenza who took it on the outer and still couldnt kick, then you had Liptak who won a B and F and had mastered the helicopter punt

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

Did Patrick Cripps play as a play as KPP in his draft year?

 

[hippyhippy]

I don't think either are particularly good kicks for the record, Crouch usually hits his targets when he has time and space, in the position he plays that's not the case very often. Lyons kicking is hugely overrated on this board.

Agree.. his kick is actually below average imho ... no distance and sprays it alot. He definitely can't make the distance from 50. His only weapon is his inside gme nd work ethic.

 

[LiquidCrow]

I voted Powell Pepper because he has a silly name.

When he starts to get games, I can see Bruce calling "PP is delicious."

I'll show myself out now...

 

[LC40]

Agree.. his kick is actually below average imho ... no distance and sprays it alot. He definitely can't make the distance from 50. His only weapon is his inside gme nd work ethic.

Crouch has a great inside game and is a ball magnet but is indecisive when kicking. Tends to take a long time to decided where to kick and uses a lot of short sideways chips which do nothing to break lines.That tendency to hold onto to the ball after a mark or free allows the opposition to man up and his only option becomes a long entry forward.
Young player who is improving all the time, just wish he would move the ball on quicker.

 

[arrowman]

I suspect he's implying where the footy season interacts with a kids development stages seems to produce the best results based on being born at the start of it. Perhaps playing kids six month older develops your skill level more than relying on physical attributes.

I think it's because the footy brain needs/finds another outlet during the bye and off season.

 

[Pugsley]

When he starts to get games, I can see Bruce calling "PP is delicious."

I'll show myself out now...

There will be another Rioli. He'll be preoccupied.

 

[CrowinNT]

There will be another Rioli. He'll be preoccupied.

I must look up the birth dates on the T.I 'ers. Might correlate with Bwwwuces height of excitement. Gotta love those with delicious personalities.

 

[Pugsley]

I must look up the birth dates on the T.I 'ers. Might correlate with Bwwwuces height of excitement. Gotta love those with delicious personalities.

He is easily excited [emoji5]

 

[DD#23]

So many variables with Kicking, kane Cornes kicking effeciency was good but he would only kick it 20 metres, Dangers is far worse but he penetrates and hurts you, sloane only has a medium kick so did Sam mitchell. Nathan Buckley was the best kick Ive seen he would dob it 60 and hit a target and just go over lines. Danger has that strenght in his kick just needs to control it. Then you have players who, because of where they take the ball are under constant pressure, maybe they would be better by handballing it like A jarman who didnt have a bad kick but was more of a sloane distance.

I dont think Sloane is a great kick, he isnt a terrible one but his penetration surely lets him down. Crouch isnt any better or worse but far from a Simon Tregenza who took it on the outer and still couldnt kick, then you had Liptak who won a B and F and had mastered the helicopter punt

wow, way off the mark with Sloane

0:08 - off one step from 48m puts it 3 rows back
1:03 - hits the fence from 50m
2:01 - chips a goal from 50m with ease
plus a few set shots from 45m out on decent angles that didn't have a lot of trouble, and I'm only plucking examples out of one video for the sake of my own convenience.



certainly not in the Buckley bracket for field kicking but Sloane took a big step up this season, he hit plenty of targets throughout the year.

 

[CrowinNT]

Don't want to digress thread but the Rioli family are a good talent.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...s/news-story/1fe0f613603f656b4420339089e97938

 

[marty36]

wow, way off the mark with Sloane

0:08 - off one step from 48m puts it 3 rows back
1:03 - hits the fence from 50m
2:01 - chips a goal from 50m with ease
plus a few set shots from 45m out on decent angles that didn't have a lot of trouble, and I'm only plucking examples out of one video for the sake of my own convenience.



certainly not in the Buckley bracket for field kicking but Sloane took a big step up this season, he hit plenty of targets throughout the year.

Sloane isnt an elite kick

 

[DD#23]

Sloane isnt an elite kick

never said he was.

easily in the top third at our club though.

 

[marty36]

never said he was.

easily in the top third at our club though.

could be, he definetly is a so so kick in AFL standards, each club has two or three elite kicks and Sloane isnt one, He makes mistakes like Crouch but he isnt terrible either. The discussion came about that the mids in the draft especially the ones from SA arent elite kicks. Danger, Sloane, Selwood , Martin all arent elite kicks but hell they know how to find the footy and cause damage, Graham in the draft has an ability to get the ball and extract it, he may struggle to use it as well as some as he probably is under a great deal more pressure when he does give off.

Crouch is similar so when comparing him to say Lyons or even Atkins they are a lot more free when kicking giving, themselves time and space but not getting the garder ball. Its easy to look at stats on kicking effieciency but its where these guys get it and have to use it. A Jarman was a classic he wouldnt kick much as he was smart enough to realise he would struggle to get a clean kick away so he mainly used handball similar to diesel Williams.

 

[DD#23]

could be, he definetly is a so so kick in AFL standards, each club has two or three elite kicks and Sloane isnt one, He makes mistakes like Crouch but he isnt terrible either. The discussion came about that the mids in the draft especially the ones from SA arent elite kicks. Danger, Sloane, Selwood , Martin all arent elite kicks but hell they know how to find the footy and cause damage, Graham in the draft has an ability to get the ball and extract it, he may struggle to use it as well as some as he probably is under a great deal more pressure when he does give off.

Crouch is similar so when comparing him to say Lyons or even Atkins they are a lot more free when kicking giving, themselves time and space but not getting the garder ball. Its easy to look at stats on kicking effieciency but its where these guys get it and have to use it. A Jarman was a classic he wouldnt kick much as he was smart enough to realise he would struggle to get a clean kick away so he mainly used handball similar to diesel Williams.

well you're pointing out the flaw in your own argument, nobody is an elite kick from the middle of a stoppage and that's where the names you mention spend most of their time.

all perfectly capable of hitting a target in open play however (except Danger )

 

[Jeffcrowe]

never said he was.

easily in the top third at our club though.

Best set shot in the team by % this season

 

[marty36]

well you're pointing out the flaw in your own argument, nobody is an elite kick from the middle of a stoppage and that's where the names you mention spend most of their time.

all perfectly capable of hitting a target in open play however (except Danger )

Comes back to where you play, most want smith to go into the mid because of his leg but would he be as accurate under more pressure, I doubt it. Crouch and Sloane aren't terrible kicks at all they are just always under the pump

 

[LC40]

Don't want to digress thread but the Rioli family are a good talent.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...s/news-story/1fe0f613603f656b4420339089e97938

I like the way Willie Rioli plays,got some skills and more importantly some aggression.If his name was called out late in the draft I would be OK with that selection. Talented player even for a Glenelg footballer.

 

[marty36]

I like the way Willie Rioli plays,got some skills and more importantly some aggression.If his name was called out late in the draft I would be OK with that selection. Talented player even for a Glenelg footballer.

I saw him earlier in the year he has a great attitude he has got himself super fit to have a crack at it

 

[Redleg Crow]

Crouch's Law: As a thread on this board grows longer, regardless of topic, the probability of discussion of Matt Crouch's kicking ability approaches 1.

 

[Captain Furious]

I still think the judges wouldnt have picked him as MVP ifhe burnt the ball, give them more credit than that please. He would have to be in the Top 3 from SA with them being Sharenberg , Graham and probably Cox with Cox having the fact he is a KPP giving him an advantage as for Hayward he wont be up there with those listed he had a good last month

Hayward will go first, probably first round. Scharenberg, Graham and Brennan 25 onwards. One might be there at 43. I'd be happy with either Scharenberg or Brennan.

 

[MRB37]

I like the way Willie Rioli plays,got some skills and more importantly some aggression.If his name was called out late in the draft I would be OK with that selection. Talented player even for a Glenelg footballer.

Would definitely take him late or in the rookie draft if he's available.

 

[Niximus]

We should just shout out a player before Essendon and then we get to keep them under the new "no take backsies" rule.

 

[Captain Furious]

J. Lyons DE 67.6%
M. Crouch DE 72.6%
One plays almost exclusively midfield minutes in a highly contested area, the other spent at least 50/50 time at Half forward/midfield...

http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/...2=24&type=A&pid1=3940&pid2=3504&fid1=S&fid2=S

That's disposal efficiency not kicking efficiency. A large portion of M Crouch's disposals are handballs. His kicking has improved, was terrible. Doubt it will ever be great though.

 

[Bicks]

Hayward will go first, probably first round. Scharenberg, Graham and Brennan 25 onwards. One might be there at 43. I'd be happy with either Scharenberg or Brennan.

Think Alex Villis might go before a couple of those too depending on club's preferences, very outside but with ball in hand has elite decision making, good pace and kicks very well off both feet.