2016 Forwards

[Souup]

Noticing that Wingard is in quite a lot of sides. Could someone please outline the reasons why they think he's a good pick?

For me, he seems like he's at top price, and I can't see him improving his average of 98, especially considering his average of 80 in Port Adelaides most successful recent season (was there an injury-related reason for this?). 98-80-98 over the last 3 seasons (the 80 is a big worry), averaged 20 touches, 3 marks, 2.4 goals and 3 tackles a game last season. Where will his improvement come from? I can't see him averaging more possessions without averaging less goals, or vice versa.

Just throwing it out there for discussion - thoughts about Wingard?

 

[Raveneyes]

Noticing that Wingard is in quite a lot of sides. Could someone please outline the reasons why they think he's a good pick?

For me, he seems like he's at top price, and I can't see him improving his average of 98, especially considering his average of 80 in Port Adelaides most successful recent season (was there an injury-related reason for this?). 98-80-98 over the last 3 seasons (the 80 is a big worry), averaged 20 touches, 3 marks, 2.4 goals and 3 tackles a game last season. Where will his improvement come from? I can't see him averaging more possessions without averaging less goals, or vice versa.

Just throwing it out there for discussion - thoughts about Wingard?

Yes I think he's peaked. Won't go over 100 average.

Hard to see a big improvement on his 2015 output.

Some say the return of Wines & Polec will help him, ignoring the fact that without Monfries, Ryder, and even Dixon early, may have a negative impact.
They also say that Port will return to top 4 contention (though I'm not convinced), so it's interesting to note that he averaged 80 that year, with a big drop of 18ppg (I had him that year ).

I predicted 85-90 average for him, but a 95 wouldn't surprise. I won't start him, because he'll drop in price at some point, so I would look at him then.

Barlow has better upside at $20k less IMO, and Buddy is also $50k cheaper.

 

[stevebbb]

Noticing that Wingard is in quite a lot of sides. Could someone please outline the reasons why they think he's a good pick?

For me, he seems like he's at top price, and I can't see him improving his average of 98, especially considering his average of 80 in Port Adelaides most successful recent season (was there an injury-related reason for this?). 98-80-98 over the last 3 seasons (the 80 is a big worry), averaged 20 touches, 3 marks, 2.4 goals and 3 tackles a game last season. Where will his improvement come from? I can't see him averaging more possessions without averaging less goals, or vice versa.

Just throwing it out there for discussion - thoughts about Wingard?

There's not that many good forward options tbh, so Wingard stands out
Port have a good early run (Saints, Bombers, Giants, Lions, Blues, Demons before rd10), he could go nuts early

I'm starting with him, at minimum I see a 93 average, but I'm expecting a 100+ average. We all know he's talented, I think he's taken his game to another level.

 

[Daniels]

Aaron Hall.

Those last 7 weeks of last season he was brilliant. Guns back in side or good or bad thing? Flicked the switch or fools gold? 428k feels tempting.

 

[Raveneyes]

There's not that many good forward options tbh, so Wingard stands out
Port have a good early run (Saints, Bombers, Giants, Lions, Blues, Demons before rd10), he could go nuts early

I'm starting with him, at minimum I see a 93 average, but I'm expecting a 100+ average. We all know he's talented, I think he's taken his game to another level.

Wingard kicked 53 goals in 2015, and had 19 disposals per game.
Where do you see the improvement? More goals? More possessions?

Not knocking your opinion, I just don't see where the improvement is coming from.
Not for his role or Port's supposed improvement, but specifically Wingard's SC scoring.

 

[croweyrocks]

Noticing that Wingard is in quite a lot of sides. Could someone please outline the reasons why they think he's a good pick?

For me, he seems like he's at top price, and I can't see him improving his average of 98, especially considering his average of 80 in Port Adelaides most successful recent season (was there an injury-related reason for this?). 98-80-98 over the last 3 seasons (the 80 is a big worry), averaged 20 touches, 3 marks, 2.4 goals and 3 tackles a game last season. Where will his improvement come from? I can't see him averaging more possessions without averaging less goals, or vice versa.

Just throwing it out there for discussion - thoughts about Wingard?

Was drafted as a midfielder and his tank is the best its ever been. Last year he didn't have a pre-season and kicked 50+ and averaged 20d a game. I'm picking more midfield time (regardless of Polec and Wines). Wingard is 22 and got a lot of development left. It is an opinion and (maybe biased) but Chad could easily kick 50+ again and average 24 disposals. He isn't the type that is happy with not improving either so I expect improvement this year.

 

[Flandersss]

Was drafted as a midfielder and his tank is the best its ever been. Last year he didn't have a pre-season and kicked 50+ and averaged 20d a game. I'm picking more midfield time (regardless of Polec and Wines). Wingard is 22 and got a lot of development left. It is an opinion and (maybe biased) but Chad could easily kick 50+ again and average 24 disposals. He isn't the type that is happy with not improving either so I expect improvement this year.

This. So much this.

The Chad is a freak. Leave him out at your peril

 

[croweyrocks]

This. So much this.

The Chad is a freak. Leave him out at your peril

While we are on forwards. Aidyn Johnson killed it in the intra club a couple days ago. Right now its probably Jake Neades spot to lose (especially the fact Monfries is out of the team) but Johnson could very well be seen as a downgrade option later in the season!

 

[Flandersss]

While we are on forwards. Aidyn Johnson killed it in the intra club a couple days ago. Right now its probably Jake Neades spot to lose (especially the fact Monfries is out of the team) but Johnson could very well be seen as a downgrade option later in the season!

Heard he kicked 2 goals in the team that got flogged, the boy can play

 

[croweyrocks]

Heard he kicked 2 goals in the team that got flogged, the boy can play

Yep 2 out of their 4 goals came from Aidyn who is at $117k in the fwd line.

 

[Flandersss]

Yep 2 out of their 4 goals came from Aidyn who is at $117k in the fwd line.

Dats my cuz

 

[Here2tellyouwhy]

Wingard has more class and talent then every other forward in SC except Lids, Buddy, Rioli.
Everyone else have their strengths but not the ability, poise, class and finish of the Chad.
He hasn't even begun to peak where as Lids, Buddy and Rioli are there right now.

Guys like Dusty and Dahl will get better but they are different types and nowhere near Chads level of class.

Wether Chad turns his ability into SC points is yet to be seen but boy can he turn a game and cause you grief.
He's easily the closest thing to Cyril and CD absolutely love him.

 

[stevebbb]

Wingard kicked 53 goals in 2015, and had 19 disposals per game.
Where do you see the improvement? More goals? More possessions?

Not knocking your opinion, I just don't see where the improvement is coming from.
Not for his role or Port's supposed improvement, but specifically Wingard's SC scoring.

I think his ceiling will rise, he'll have a few 140+ games that will lift his overall average.

 

[toxic]

Heard he kicked 2 goals in the team that got flogged, the boy can play

Insider trading!

 

[toxic]

Wingard has more class and talent then every other forward in SC except Lids, Buddy, Rioli.
Everyone else have their strengths but not the ability, poise, class and finish of the Chad.
He hasn't even begun to peak where as Lids, Buddy and Rioli are there right now.

Guys like Dusty and Dahl will get better but they are different types and nowhere near Chads level of class.

Wether Chad turns his ability into SC points is yet to be seen but boy can he turn a game and cause you grief.
He's easily the closest thing to Cyril and CD absolutely love him.

If CD loved him he'd have scored higher previously

He's classy yes but it's a big NO for me

 

[TheOz]

Wingard kicked 53 goals in 2015, and had 19 disposals per game.
Where do you see the improvement? More goals? More possessions?

Not knocking your opinion, I just don't see where the improvement is coming from.
Not for his role or Port's supposed improvement, but specifically Wingard's SC scoring.

Could do a lot worse than Wingard at his price, only Martin, Dahlhaus and Zorko scored more points as forwards last season.

 

[toxic]

Could do a lot worse than Wingard at his price, only Martin, Dahlhaus and Zorko scored more points as forwards last season.

Stats can be misleading as everytime lids missed you'd get the emergency score

I doubt Chad will finish top 6 fwd by average fwiw

 

[TheOz]

Stats can be misleading as everytime lids missed you'd get the emergency score

I doubt Chad will finish top 6 fwd by average fwiw

Assuming you actually had proper emergencies that played and scored properly. Regardless, I'd say a more pressing concern would be his exact role, remembering Wines missed large parts of last season which saw him move into the midfield more.

 

[toxic]

Assuming you actually had proper emergencies that played and scored properly. Regardless, I'd say a more pressing concern would be his exact role, remembering Wines missed large parts of last season which saw him move into the midfield more.

Agreed and Polec and the natural improvement of Sam Gray and potentially hartlett going injury free

 

[Flandersss]

Assuming you actually had proper emergencies that played and scored properly. Regardless, I'd say a more pressing concern would be his exact role, remembering Wines missed large parts of last season which saw him move into the midfield more.

I have a feeling he was moved into the midfield because they were out of contention for finals so thought why not.

I'm hoping they play Chad there for little spurts here & there, I don't think 100-105 avg is out of the question IMHO.

 

[slinky3103]

what are your thoughts on jack martin (gc) in f4 and reckon jack steele (gws) will get consistent games

 

[Raveneyes]

Could do a lot worse than Wingard at his price, only Martin, Dahlhaus and Zorko scored more points as forwards last season.

Oh I agree, don't worry. Wingard is a solid pick. Definite top 10 FWD.

Though I think Barlow and Buddy could give it a shake this year, have high ceilings, proven averages, and are cheaper. Of course there are risks involved, but I'm looking for value.

FWIW I have Barlow and not Buddy.

 

[Raveneyes]

Assuming you actually had proper emergencies that played and scored properly. Regardless, I'd say a more pressing concern would be his exact role, remembering Wines missed large parts of last season which saw him move into the midfield more.

Also with Monfries missing, he could receive a lot more forward minutes.

Would love to see a stat or heat-map of his 2015 season.

 

[Glenn Barclay]

I'm very tempted by the Hoff. massive pod

 

[Souup]

I'm very tempted by the Hoff. massive pod

Me too mate. Hasn't moved from my side. My only worry is the likelihood of him having to play more as a deep forward due to the absence of Ryder, Monfries and potentially Dixon. If he continues to play the free roaming around role he played often (especially towards the end of last season) he's a lock for me.

He averaged 104.5 from round 9 onwards last season. Took him a bit to get going, but when he did he was excellent.

Will have to see the type of role he plays in the NAB games.