Remove this Banner Ad

2016 Forwards

🥰 Love BigFooty? Join now for free.

Status
Not open for further replies.
Seeing a bit of frustration in this thread...

I think both of Wingard and Westhoff are good options this year.
Wingard is a freak...
High draft pick: tick.
Averaged 97.8 ppg (Premo) from 22 games last year, with a niggle: tick. (with good scoring history prior- 98.6 ppg from 22 in 2013)
Rumour of more mid time (even if it's a rumour at this stage), the game will change with the interchange rule- he fits the bill.
Port have a good draw (particularly early on): tick.
Turns 23 this year... just heading towards his prime: tick (scary).

Westhoff could be anything this year...
He was stuck in dual roles last year and still averaged 94.7 ppg. With the addition of Dixon, he could be a huge beneficiary.
Durable: tick. (Missed 1 game in 4 years)
With the rule changes this year + addition of Dixon, I see Justin shuffling up the ground plenty this year (correct me if i'm wrong Port fans).
As above- Port have a good draw: tick.

I think Wingard will be more consistent with his scoring, but Westhoff has a massive ceiling... if he can start like he did in 2013 all the nay-sayers will be chewing off their tongues (100, 163,150,149 first four rounds).
 
Donut Allergy said:
Seeing a bit of frustration in this thread...

I think both of Wingard and Westhoff are good options this year.
Wingard is a freak...
High draft pick: tick.
Averaged 97.8 ppg (Premo) from 22 games last year, with a niggle: tick. (with good scoring history prior- 98.6 ppg from 22 in 2013)
Rumour of more mid time (even if it's a rumour at this stage), the game will change with the interchange rule- he fits the bill.
Port have a good draw (particularly early on): tick.
Turns 23 this year... just heading towards his prime: tick (scary).

Westhoff could be anything this year...
He was stuck in dual roles last year and still averaged 94.7 ppg. With the addition of Dixon, he could be a huge beneficiary.
Durable: tick. (Missed 1 game in 4 years)
With the rule changes this year + addition of Dixon, I see Justin shuffling up the ground plenty this year (correct me if i'm wrong Port fans).
As above- Port have a good draw: tick.

I think Wingard will be more consistent with his scoring, but Westhoff has a massive ceiling... if he can start like he did in 2013 all the nay-sayers will be chewing off their tongues (100, 163,150,149 first four rounds).
Click to expand...
Good summary. Makes me even more confident now seeing as I have both of them in my team.
 
Donut Allergy said:

I think Wingard will be more consistent with his scoring, but Westhoff has a massive ceiling... if he can start like he did in 2013 all the nay-sayers will be chewing off their tongues (100, 163,150,149 first four rounds).
Click to expand...

I remember that amazing start to the season by the Hoff. You got me interested. So I checked out his first few rounds last year
upload_2016-3-3_6-41-51.png
and he's over 500k. Pass with a capital P.
 
Sydney Kicker said:
I remember that amazing start to the season by the Hoff. You got me interested. So I checked out his first few rounds last year
View attachment 221398
and he's over 500k. Pass with a capital P.
Click to expand...
The first eight rounds coincided with the time Ryder was causing major disruption to the team. This affected Westhoff more than most players.

From round 9 Ryder missed a few weeks and meant Port changed their team structure somewhat which improved them. But it was too late as the damage had already been done to their season. After Ryder returned, instead of mainly affecting Westhoff he conflicted with Ebert. Ebert had a great first half of the season and from round 14 when Ryder returned, his scores nosedived. Coincidence I think not.

No Ryder, while unfortunate for him personally means:
1. More points for Westhoff
2. More points for Ebert
3. More points for Port

As I'm fairly new to all this I realize there are far more knowledgeable people on this forum than me who will probably shoot me down in flames. But it's just my opinion and Westhoff will stay in my team barring injury.
 

Log in to remove this Banner Ad

Sydney Kicker said:
I remember that amazing start to the season by the Hoff. You got me interested. So I checked out his first few rounds last year
View attachment 221398
and he's over 500k. Pass with a capital P.
Click to expand...

Then went on to average 104.5 for the rest of the season.

As most have said, Port Adelaide have a fairly easy start to the season this year. When you look at the teams Westhoff faced in the games you quoted, they were (in order) Fremantle, Sydney, North Melbourne, Hawthorn, Adelaide, West Coast, Brisbane, Richmond. You would struggle to find a harder start to last season than that. He averaged 100 last year against the first 5 teams they face this season.

Generally, to gauge how a player will go the next season, you check out their back end of the previous season. For him to average 104.5 in the last 14 games and 106 in his last 4 games, is a great sign. He's still in his prime, and is very durable.

Ticks all the boxes for me.
 
thepacingman said:
The first eight rounds coincided with the time Ryder was causing major disruption to the team. This affected Westhoff more than most players.

From round 9 Ryder missed a few weeks and meant Port changed their team structure somewhat which improved them. But it was too late as the damage had already been done to their season. After Ryder returned, instead of mainly affecting Westhoff he conflicted with Ebert. Ebert had a great first half of the season and from round 14 when Ryder returned, his scores nosedived. Coincidence I think not.

No Ryder, while unfortunate for him personally means:
1. More points for Westhoff
2. More points for Ebert
3. More points for Port

As I'm fairly new to all this I realize there are far more knowledgeable people on this forum than me who will probably shoot me down in flames. But it's just my opinion and Westhoff will stay in my team barring injury.
Click to expand...

They are all very fair points - no way I'm shooting them down. You and Sooup have done your homework. I wasn't taking into account his draw and the Port setup though I had assumed something was different in the first 8 rounds last year for him to start so slow. That said he's still not to my taste, I think the chances of him roaring out of the gates like he did in 2013 are slim. To me there is better value around or just under his price.
 
Good posts re: Wingard & westhoff although my only piece of advice would be to be careful making conclusions such as "Ryder came back and Eberts scores dropped so that means Ebert will score better this year". Sure, I see how you can make that with Westhoff as he's probably competing with Ryder for points, but not sure how Ebert would fit into that (rather, he's a good solid player who isn't able to maintain best form for a whole season like the true guns). Goes for a lot of other players too
 
SterlingArcher said:
Good posts re: Wingard & westhoff although my only piece of advice would be to be careful making conclusions such as "Ryder came back and Eberts scores dropped so that means Ebert will score better this year". Sure, I see how you can make that with Westhoff as he's probably competing with Ryder for points, but not sure how Ebert would fit into that (rather, he's a good solid player who isn't able to maintain best form for a whole season like the true guns). Goes for a lot of other players too
Click to expand...
My bad terminology. I did not mean it that Ebert and Westhoff would automatically get more points. Instead of "more" should have said "higher chance of".
However I'm sure Port will get more points.

My take was Ryder in the early rounds played ruck and also drifted forward affecting Westhoff. Whereas after he returned from injury he played ruck and drifted backward affecting Ebert.
 
thepacingman said:
My bad terminology. I did not mean it that Ebert and Westhoff would automatically get more points. Instead of "more" should have said "higher chance of".
However I'm sure Port will get more points.

My take was Ryder in the early rounds played ruck and also drifted forward affecting Westhoff. Whereas after he returned from injury he played ruck and drifted backward affecting Ebert.
Click to expand...
My only concern with the Hoff is what effect Dixon will have on his scoring.
 
Souup said:
I don't doubt Wingard will see midfield time, I just dont think he'll see very much of it, atleast not in comparison to the last season or 2. Port have a seriously good midfield with Boak, Wines, Ebert, Robbie Gray, Polec, Hartlett all running through there (S.Gray gets a run in there with Ah Chee pushing into the midfield and some have even said Toumpas may get a run). With those guys rotating through the midfield, and Wingard being about the most dangerous small forward in the AFL, why would they want to take him from the forward 50?

Martin, Westhoff, Barlow, Vandenberg are my 4 forwards I've selected as keepers. Vandenberg could easily end up being Hall/Devon Smith (I've even flirted with the idea of Tom Lynch from the Gold Coast) but I think i'll end up backing my gut with VDB. If there ends up being a plethora of forward rookies that look good, F4 will end up a rookie, but I doubt it.
Click to expand...
i dont think port will make the finals.
dont think it will be a good year for them.
therefore i wont be taking wingard.
 
On the subject of Port, I'd only entertain picking up R.Gray, Wines and/or Wingard.
IMO Pittard too risky and Lobbe is no where near premium. Boak is a fantastic leader and does influence games just doesn't translate to supercoach. Ebert burns the ball over too much. Hartlett too inconsistent. Westhoff too inconsistent. Broadbent is underrated but better options down back. S.Gray is a great accumulator but is no guarantee to be best 22 throughout the season.
Keep an eye on Nathan Krakouer- has just been upgraded to senior list and IMO in the best 22 (oops he's injured....FORGET!)
No real rookies to speak of that will be relevant to start the season. Snelling is looking the most ready out of all players (maybe a downgrade target mid season). Darcy Bryne-Jones (def) has been ok in the nab and is in his 3rd season (not best 22 IMO).
Hope that helps :)
 

Remove this Banner Ad

Not seen much discussion on Stringer.

Averaged 98 in rounds 17 - 22 last year so showed he could score ok.

I honestly think he will be considered a top 10 - 15 rated player in the league by the end of this season. How that translates into SC scores I don't know (have my fingers crossed..) but for me he's the best player under 500k from a pure footballing point of view.

Anyway - for 425k I'm on
 
Listclogger said:
Not seen much discussion on Stringer.

Averaged 98 in rounds 17 - 22 last year so showed he could score ok.

I honestly think he will be considered a top 10 - 15 rated player in the league by the end of this season. How that translates into SC scores I don't know (have my fingers crossed..) but for me he's the best player under 500k from a pure footballing point of view.

Anyway - for 425k I'm on
Click to expand...
With Crameri suspended and Boyd not looking to be best 22, as well as an abundance of good midfielders, it looks like Stringer will play mainly forward, and he's not Buddy Franklin level where he'll kick 70+ goals and average 100. Very up and down scoring doesn't help.

At $425k he's too expensive for me. Could be great through, not this year
 
cdcanman said:
Anyone ballsy enough?
http://www.fremantlefc.com.au/news/2016-03-01/midfield-move-sitting-well-with-walters
I can actually see him being relevant. He wasn't that far away last year
Click to expand...
All teams are extending their mid rotations this year due to the interchange reduction. Small forwards will get mid time, star mids will play forward, etc.

At the end of the day the stars, the smartest players, the natural ball winners will still score the best.

On topic, I can't see a 90++ from Walters
 
stevebbb said:
With Crameri suspended and Boyd not looking to be best 22, as well as an abundance of good midfielders, it looks like Stringer will play mainly forward, and he's not Buddy Franklin level where he'll kick 70+ goals and average 100. Very up and down scoring doesn't help.

At $425k he's too expensive for me. Could be great through, not this year
Click to expand...
Not that it matters but Boyd will play most games I'd say. Him and Redpath look our two KPF's with Jake going into Crameri's role.
 

🥰 Love BigFooty? Join now for free.

Status
Not open for further replies.

Remove this Banner Ad

Similar threads

WaynesWorld19
Position 2025 Forwards
21 22 23 24 25
Replies
604
Views
44K
Northernsoul74
Northernsoul74

🥰 Love BigFooty? Join now for free.

Back
Top