List Mgmt. 2016 Free Agency/Trades/Draft thread Part 3

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Sam_Malone

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Don't all contracts need higher approval or is that only something we do since that debacle?
Look, most of them are gone from the club now but the size of Tippets contract would have required authorisation from the CEO or the board.

For anyone to try and pass the buck by saying the CEO or Board didn't know about it is being very naive.
 

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Really get sick of this. For the record - it wasn't Trigg that agreed to the deal. He failed to adequately fix it once it was discovered. It was Bob Reid - you know, the father of the guy currently responsible for negotiating contracts for the AFC.
That is incorrect.. I factually know that John Reid was not the one who caused all that trouble, he tried to take the fall for it so there were no consequences to the club as he was out of the club already but unfortunately it wasn't able to be sorted that way. We have a very close link to that family so don't make things up if you don't know facts.
 

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Look, most of them are gone from the club now but the size of Tippets contract would have required authorisation from the CEO or the board.

For anyone to try and pass the buck by saying the CEO or Board didn't know about it is being very naive.
You have no idea Alex. Things were done differently back then. John Reid thought he WAS Adelaide.
 

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Really get sick of this. For the record - it wasn't Trigg that agreed to the deal. He failed to adequately fix it once it was discovered. It was John Reid - you know, the father of the guy currently responsible for negotiating contracts for the AFC.
Come on Jen, there is no way in hell Trigg wasn't aware of it.
 

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That is incorrect.. I factually know that John Reid was not the one who caused all that trouble, he tried to take the fall for it so there were no consequences to the club as he was out of the club already but unfortunately it wasn't able to be sorted that way. We have a very close link to that family so don't make things up if you don't know facts.
I have a close link to others involved. I am not making anything up, just going on what I've been told. I've also met John many times, and found him a most disagreeable old bugger. He loved the club though, couldn't question that.
 

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I have a close link to others involved. I am not making anything up, just going on what I've been told. I've also met John many times, and found him a most disagreeable old bugger. He loved the club though, couldn't question that.
With respect to you and your relationships Jenn, I doubt you would always be told the full story - especially if that story makes the person telling it either complicit in the activity; or incomprehensibly negligent in their position.
 

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If Richmond aren't interested .....what does that say ???

Hmmm I was 50/50 on Rockliff, but if Richmond aren't interested then I'd say we should go all in on him.

Honestly, Richmond's recruiting is so completely and utterly rooted that you could do worse than base your entire strategy around just doing the opposite of what they're doing.
 

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You're operating under the assumption that Noble is responsible for that culture. That's highly unlikely to be the case, given that this (not trading contracted players who want to stay) has been Adelaide's modus operandi since before Noble even joined the club.

What you can't get around, no matter how hard you try, is that a contracted player must agree to any trade. Given that Mackay is currently in Adelaide's best 22 players (and that alone upsets you no end), is very happy playing for and living in Adelaide, has had previous opportunities to leave and turned them down... given all of those factors, it is very safe to say that there is almost zero chance of him leaving. That's not a culture thing - it's an AFL/AFLPA contract rules thing.

You have no idea how many games he will or won't play next year. Neither do I. I certainly wouldn't bet on Menzel, Wigg or Hampton playing more games than him. Milera would be a 50/50 chance at best, though he has the greatest scope for improvement. Knight is the only player from that list who is likely to play more games than Mackay in 2017.

It's not fact that he's not on the table. It is, however, exceedingly unlikely. I'd put the odds at close to 1,000,000,000:1 against that his name will even be mentioned during trade week, by anyone acting in an official capacity (i.e. not BigFooty fans clutching at straws).
Geez you operate at a rudimentary level. Why explain basic shit as if you're passing on something worthwhile. I've not once posted that clubs can force contracted players out. We didn't force Vince out, but we made it clear that looking elsewhere would be in his best interests as he wasn't in our future plans, despite being contracted for next year. Now, Vince was a special case at the time because we wanted back into the early part of the draft.

What I'm saying with the changing of the guard is that a borderline best 22 player with no room for improvement might be sold a similar story to Vince. It's not forcing him out the door, that CANNOT be done, everyone knows that, but it's actively suggesting his best interests lie elsewhere.

I'm not even suggesting this will be happen with Mackay, he might be on the must keep list. But I am suggesting that more Vince type convos will be taking place in the future. I don't think we'll be valuing the middle of our list quite as highly and I'm predicting that we'll try and improve our draft or higher end position by trying to move players on, conteact or not. Whether that's Kelly, CEY, Mackay or anyone else isn't relevant. And if they want to stay and play out their remaining contract with us, then short of delisting them and copping the salary cap hit, we're stuck with them.

Your mistake here is that you think it's only about Mackay. It's not. He only became the topic when Alex stated as fact he won't be traded. And that was only an argument on probabilities.

What you've also failed to take into account is that my low opinion of Mackay as a footballer means I can't really see anyone taking him on with a 2 year contract. I think there's a couple of sides that need an experienced player to at least force others to pass him to get into the 22. But one is Brisbane and the other Carlton and I just can't see it happening, even if he was happy to go and we were happy to trade him.

And what's the min and max at those odds? I'd suggest the odds are closer to 100:1, highly unlikely still, but you gotta bet where there's value.
 
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