List Mgmt. 2016 Free Agency/Trades/Draft thread Part 3

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But it's definitely part of a bigger picture

So we are apparently not playing thommo , Lyons gone and CEY maybe as well

And we've got a thin midfield already

Mmm...
This is what i don't get and makes me think we are getting a couple of fish. Otherwise it just doesn't make sense, especially with lyons who i reckon was our 3rd best mid this year
Go or stay CEY not up to it either imo so i wouldn't be relying on his output
 

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what i would do this trade period.

Trade pick 13 to carlton for gibbs
Trade lyons to north for wells comp. pick (20-25) ontrade this pick and mackay to brisbane for rockliff.
Henderson leaves via fa nets us a pick at the end of the 2nd rd. (38-43)
Trade douglas to gold coast for pick 25.
We lose henderson, douglas, mackay, lyons, our first rd pick.
We gain rockliff, gibbs, an early 2nd rd pick and a late 2nd rd pick.
Go to the draft with 25, 38, 50, 68, 86(upgrade rookie)
What is the formula for FA compensation? As much as I'd like to get end of 2nd round for Henderson, I doubt we would. He's played 90 games in 7 seasons and only 5 this year. I doubt he's going to be attracting huge money or a long term contract wherever he goes, so I think it's more likely we end up with 3rd round.
 

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I live in Perth and have a $500k mortgage in a nice house we've had for five years. If you kept my income and all other cost of living exactly the same except for housing, I'd be close to mortgage free. AFL is one of the few industries you can earn the same income as interstate yet have very low cost of living.

Amazed footballers aren't jumping at the chance to set themselves up for life by going to Adelaide.

Is AFC marketing itself well in enough in this regard? In all seriousness, should part of their recruiting strategy be to show wealth accumulation in Adelaide vs other states?
That's exactly what I mean.

I think what you're saying is that Adelaide should hire me in their marketing department, and I think you'll find that's 100% correct.
 
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Mark Bickley would be keen.

Speaking of assistants, did anything ever come from those rumblings a while back about Peter Sumich coming across to the Crows? Our season has been over for several weeks now but haven't really seen too many moves happening on the coaching front.
I thought he was being talked about as a replacement for Noble?
 

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what i would do this trade period.

Trade pick 13 to carlton for gibbs
Trade lyons to north for wells comp. pick (20-25) ontrade this pick and mackay to brisbane for rockliff.
Henderson leaves via fa nets us a pick at the end of the 2nd rd. (38-43)
Trade douglas to gold coast for pick 25.
We lose henderson, douglas, mackay, lyons, our first rd pick.
We gain rockliff, gibbs, an early 2nd rd pick and a late 2nd rd pick.
Go to the draft with 25, 38, 50, 68, 86(upgrade rookie)
Rockliff is worth a lot more than Lyons and Mackay lol
 

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Lyons is worth 15-20 - if we can't get that, we shouldn't even consider trading him.

That said, based on our apparent contract offer, we'll accept pick #69.
He's not worth anything like pick 15. 25-30 is the ball park.

If we get offered anything better then we sign immediately, before the drugs wear off and the other club realises what they've done.
 

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Called Eddie. Look at any of her interviews discussing it, and he has talked about how the Crows offered more money and if Carlton upped theirs a bit closer (not match) he would have stayed at Carlton.
And Eddie had his worst season under Malthouse who did not rate him.
All hail Mick Malthouse, super guru!
 

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what i would do this trade period.

Trade pick 13 to carlton for gibbs
Trade lyons to north for wells comp. pick (20-25) ontrade this pick and mackay to brisbane for rockliff.
Henderson leaves via fa nets us a pick at the end of the 2nd rd. (38-43)
Trade douglas to gold coast for pick 25.
We lose henderson, douglas, mackay, lyons, our first rd pick.
We gain rockliff, gibbs, an early 2nd rd pick and a late 2nd rd pick.
Go to the draft with 25, 38, 50, 68, 86(upgrade rookie)
So from our 2016 best 22 midfield douglas mackay lyons thommo are out, rocky gibbs in. Who are the other 2?
 

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(year), round, pick, club, name, team, games played since being drafted

2015

1 15 Richmond Daniel Rioli Richmond 18
1 16 Academy GWS Harrison Himmelberg GWS 4
1 17 Adelaide Tom Doedee Adelaide 0
1 18 St Kilda Jade Gresham St Kilda 18
1 19 Hawthorn Ryan Burton Hawthorn 4
1 20 Gold Coast Brayden Fiorini Gold Coast 2
1 21 North Melbourne Ben McKay North Melbourne 0
1 22 Hawthorn Kieran Lovell Hawthorn 2
1 23 Carlton David Cuningham Carlton 3
2 24 Academy Brisbane Ben Keays Brisbane 16
2 25 Father/Son Western Bulldogs Josh Dunkley Western Bulldogs 17

2014

x 15 Compensation Gold Coast Jarrod Garlett Gold Coast 17
1 16 North Melbourne Sam Durdin North Melbourne 0
1 17 Essendon Kyle Langford Essendon 25
1 18 Academy Sydney Isaac Heeney Sydney 38
1 19 Carlton Blaine Boekhorst Carlton 18
1 20 Essendon Jayden Laverde Essendon 18
x 21 Compensation St Kilda Hugh Goddard St Kilda 9
2 22 St Kilda Daniel McKenzie St Kilda 16
2 23 GWS Patrick McKenna GWS 0
2 24 Academy GWS Jack Steele GWS 17
2 25 North Melbourne Daniel Nielson North Melbourne 0

2013

1 15 Sydney Zak Jones Sydney 31
1 16 Geelong Darcy Lang Geelong 34
1 17 Fremantle Michael Apeness Fremantle 7
1 18 St Kilda Luke Dunstan St Kilda 53
1 19 St Kilda Blake Acres St Kilda 26
1 20 Gold Coast Jack Leslie Gold Coast 6
2 21 Port Adelaide Jarman Impey Port Adelaide 55
2 22 Brisbane Darcy Gardiner Brisbane 43
2 23 Adelaide Matt Crouch Adelaide 47
2 24 Hawthorn Billy Hartung Hawthorn 45
2 25 Brisbane Daniel McStay Brisbane 41

2012

1 15 North Melbourne Taylor Garner North Melbourne 16
1 16 Geelong Jackson Thurlow Geelong 29
1 17 Fremantle Josh Simpson 2
1 18 Collingwood Brodie Grundy Collingwood 62
1 19 Collingwood Ben Kennedy Melbourne 40
1 20 Collingwood Timothy Broomhead Collingwood 21
1 21 Western Bulldogs Nathan Hrovat Western Bulldogs 30
1 22 Sydney Dean Towers Sydney 30
1 23 Brisbane Marco Paparone Brisbane 49
2 24 St Kilda Nathan Wright St Kilda 30
2 25 St Kilda Spencer White 2

2011

1 15 Richmond Brandon Ellis Richmond 110
1 16 Fremantle Thomas Sheridan Fremantle 59
1 17 Western Bulldogs Clay Smith Western Bulldogs 47
1 18 North Melbourne Bradley McKenzie North Melbourne 37
1 19 Essendon Elliott Kavanagh 12
1 20 Fremantle Hayden Crozier Fremantle 50
1 21 Father/Son Sydney Tom Mitchell Sydney 65
1 22 Carlton Joshua Bootsma 14
1 23 West Coast Murray Newman 6
1 24 Gold Coast Henry Schade Gold Coast 20
1 25 St Kilda Sebastian Ross St Kilda 59
 

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In all seriousness, should part of their recruiting strategy be to show wealth accumulation in Adelaide vs other states?
Ken Oath it should. I'm drooling imagining the graphs you could show players about how much further the dollar goes here, how low the inflation rate here is... and we have electricity now!

Wang Wang and Fu Ni.

Will do better than that lot combined
Those two would create pandemonium in the midfield!
 

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(year), round, pick, club, name, team, games played since being drafted

2015

1 15 Richmond Daniel Rioli Richmond 18
1 16 Academy GWS Harrison Himmelberg GWS 4
1 17 Adelaide Tom Doedee Adelaide 0
1 18 St Kilda Jade Gresham St Kilda 18
1 19 Hawthorn Ryan Burton Hawthorn 4
1 20 Gold Coast Brayden Fiorini Gold Coast 2
1 21 North Melbourne Ben McKay North Melbourne 0
1 22 Hawthorn Kieran Lovell Hawthorn 2
1 23 Carlton David Cuningham Carlton 3
2 24 Academy Brisbane Ben Keays Brisbane 16
2 25 Father/Son Western Bulldogs Josh Dunkley Western Bulldogs 17

2014

x 15 Compensation Gold Coast Jarrod Garlett Gold Coast 17
1 16 North Melbourne Sam Durdin North Melbourne 0
1 17 Essendon Kyle Langford Essendon 25
1 18 Academy Sydney Isaac Heeney Sydney 38
1 19 Carlton Blaine Boekhorst Carlton 18
1 20 Essendon Jayden Laverde Essendon 18
x 21 Compensation St Kilda Hugh Goddard St Kilda 9
2 22 St Kilda Daniel McKenzie St Kilda 16
2 23 GWS Patrick McKenna GWS 0
2 24 Academy GWS Jack Steele GWS 17
2 25 North Melbourne Daniel Nielson North Melbourne 0

2013

1 15 Sydney Zak Jones Sydney 31
1 16 Geelong Darcy Lang Geelong 34
1 17 Fremantle Michael Apeness Fremantle 7
1 18 St Kilda Luke Dunstan St Kilda 53
1 19 St Kilda Blake Acres St Kilda 26
1 20 Gold Coast Jack Leslie Gold Coast 6
2 21 Port Adelaide Jarman Impey Port Adelaide 55
2 22 Brisbane Darcy Gardiner Brisbane 43
2 23 Adelaide Matt Crouch Adelaide 47
2 24 Hawthorn Billy Hartung Hawthorn 45
2 25 Brisbane Daniel McStay Brisbane 41

2012

1 15 North Melbourne Taylor Garner North Melbourne 16
1 16 Geelong Jackson Thurlow Geelong 29
1 17 Fremantle Josh Simpson 2
1 18 Collingwood Brodie Grundy Collingwood 62
1 19 Collingwood Ben Kennedy Melbourne 40
1 20 Collingwood Timothy Broomhead Collingwood 21
1 21 Western Bulldogs Nathan Hrovat Western Bulldogs 30
1 22 Sydney Dean Towers Sydney 30
1 23 Brisbane Marco Paparone Brisbane 49
2 24 St Kilda Nathan Wright St Kilda 30
2 25 St Kilda Spencer White 2

2011

1 15 Richmond Brandon Ellis Richmond 110
1 16 Fremantle Thomas Sheridan Fremantle 59
1 17 Western Bulldogs Clay Smith Western Bulldogs 47
1 18 North Melbourne Bradley McKenzie North Melbourne 37
1 19 Essendon Elliott Kavanagh 12
1 20 Fremantle Hayden Crozier Fremantle 50
1 21 Father/Son Sydney Tom Mitchell Sydney 65
1 22 Carlton Joshua Bootsma 14
1 23 West Coast Murray Newman 6
1 24 Gold Coast Henry Schade Gold Coast 20
1 25 St Kilda Sebastian Ross St Kilda 59
2014, 2015 North three picks 0 games.:eek:
 

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ams4crows - have you got draftees taken 15-25 over the last five years?
2011
15 Brayden Ellis
16 Tom Sheridan
17 Clay Smith
18 Brad McKenzie
19 Elliot Kavanagh
20 Hayden Crozier

2012
15 Taylor Gardner
16 Jackson Thurlow
17 Josh Simpson
18 Brodie Grundy
19 Ben Kennedy
20 Tim Broomhead

2013
15 Zack Jones
16 Darcy Lang
17 Michael Apeness
18 Luke Dunstan
19 Blake Acres
20 Jack Leslie

2014
15 Jarrod Gareth
16 Sam Durden
17 Kyle Langford
18 Isaac Heeney (Academy)
19 Blaine Boekhorst
20 Jaden Laverne

2015
15 Daniel Rioli
16 Harrison Himmelberg
17 Tom Doedee
18 Jake Gresham
19 Ryan Burton
20 Brayden Fiorini
 

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Wasn't contracted. Wasn't going to be offered another contract.

And that's before you consider the other unique circumstances (i.e. his record of off-field indiscretions, and the Tiprat penalties).
For someone so confident, you certainly get critical information required to form sound opinions very wrong. Vince now apparently not contracted when traded? Sometimes Vader, you really do crack me up.
 

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Who would of thought Vader getting his facts wrong, again. Colour me surprised :p
Not a particularly relevant fact when discussing whether the club would ever strongly suggest that a contracted player's future might lay elsewhere. Odd that it's even been brought up in the discussion. Vince contracted you say, irrelevant says Vader .
 
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Richmond are shit, who cares?

Rockliff won't take them from a top 6 to a top 4 side - they shouldn't be interested in him.
also that Richmond rate Prestia over Rockliff .......and given Deledio looks on the move ....still no need?

Richmond hasn't clicked yet that they need more talent ......going for a flag in 2017 ....finishing 9th yet again
 

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(year), round, pick, club, name, team, games played since being drafted

2015

1 15 Richmond Daniel Rioli Richmond 18
1 16 Academy GWS Harrison Himmelberg GWS 4
1 17 Adelaide Tom Doedee Adelaide 0
1 18 St Kilda Jade Gresham St Kilda 18
1 19 Hawthorn Ryan Burton Hawthorn 4
1 20 Gold Coast Brayden Fiorini Gold Coast 2
1 21 North Melbourne Ben McKay North Melbourne 0
1 22 Hawthorn Kieran Lovell Hawthorn 2
1 23 Carlton David Cuningham Carlton 3
2 24 Academy Brisbane Ben Keays Brisbane 16
2 25 Father/Son Western Bulldogs Josh Dunkley Western Bulldogs 17

2014

x 15 Compensation Gold Coast Jarrod Garlett Gold Coast 17
1 16 North Melbourne Sam Durdin North Melbourne 0
1 17 Essendon Kyle Langford Essendon 25
1 18 Academy Sydney Isaac Heeney Sydney 38
1 19 Carlton Blaine Boekhorst Carlton 18
1 20 Essendon Jayden Laverde Essendon 18
x 21 Compensation St Kilda Hugh Goddard St Kilda 9
2 22 St Kilda Daniel McKenzie St Kilda 16
2 23 GWS Patrick McKenna GWS 0
2 24 Academy GWS Jack Steele GWS 17
2 25 North Melbourne Daniel Nielson North Melbourne 0

2013

1 15 Sydney Zak Jones Sydney 31
1 16 Geelong Darcy Lang Geelong 34
1 17 Fremantle Michael Apeness Fremantle 7
1 18 St Kilda Luke Dunstan St Kilda 53
1 19 St Kilda Blake Acres St Kilda 26
1 20 Gold Coast Jack Leslie Gold Coast 6
2 21 Port Adelaide Jarman Impey Port Adelaide 55
2 22 Brisbane Darcy Gardiner Brisbane 43
2 23 Adelaide Matt Crouch Adelaide 47
2 24 Hawthorn Billy Hartung Hawthorn 45
2 25 Brisbane Daniel McStay Brisbane 41

2012

1 15 North Melbourne Taylor Garner North Melbourne 16
1 16 Geelong Jackson Thurlow Geelong 29
1 17 Fremantle Josh Simpson 2
1 18 Collingwood Brodie Grundy Collingwood 62
1 19 Collingwood Ben Kennedy Melbourne 40
1 20 Collingwood Timothy Broomhead Collingwood 21
1 21 Western Bulldogs Nathan Hrovat Western Bulldogs 30
1 22 Sydney Dean Towers Sydney 30
1 23 Brisbane Marco Paparone Brisbane 49
2 24 St Kilda Nathan Wright St Kilda 30
2 25 St Kilda Spencer White 2

2011

1 15 Richmond Brandon Ellis Richmond 110
1 16 Fremantle Thomas Sheridan Fremantle 59
1 17 Western Bulldogs Clay Smith Western Bulldogs 47
1 18 North Melbourne Bradley McKenzie North Melbourne 37
1 19 Essendon Elliott Kavanagh 12
1 20 Fremantle Hayden Crozier Fremantle 50
1 21 Father/Son Sydney Tom Mitchell Sydney 65
1 22 Carlton Joshua Bootsma 14
1 23 West Coast Murray Newman 6
1 24 Gold Coast Henry Schade Gold Coast 20
1 25 St Kilda Sebastian Ross St Kilda 59
What this shows is that anyone we draft won't be a regular player for 3 years, and that is only about a 50% chance. Adds fuel to the trade picks for quality players for as we need contributors now. And keep lyons as well unless he is part of the trade in getting a quality mid
 
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