List Mgmt. 2016 general list discussion and speculation (cont in Pt.2)

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I haven't seen enough of Lobbe or Z.Smith - who do we think would offer us more?
On exposed form so far, it's clearly Lobbe. Averages 30 hit-outs per game the last three seasons along with 2.5 clearances & 5.5 tackles per game.

The downside however is that he's not a marking tall. Only takes a couple of grabs each game and also kicks very few goals a season but for a workhorse type of big man (Minson-like), a ruckman you could count on to nullify genuine rucks in big games, he's always going to get the nod over a Zac Smith who is inconsistent.
 

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On exposed form so far, it's clearly Lobbe. Averages 30 hit-outs per game the last three seasons along with 2.5 clearances & 5.5 tackles per game.

The downside however is that he's not a marking tall. Only takes a couple of grabs each game and also kicks very few goals a season but for a workhorse type of big man (Minson-like), a ruckman you could count on to nullify genuine rucks in big games, he's always going to get the nod over a Zac Smith who is inconsistent.
Based on that if you went with the Hawthorn model we should go for Lobbe... We have Stanley who offers the mobile ruckman/marking type and then Lobbe as the workhorse.
 

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Based on that if you went with the Hawthorn model we should go for Lobbe... We have Stanley who offers the mobile ruckman/marking type and then Lobbe as the workhorse.
The only thing is, at least in my view, is that Smith is one of the most talented rucks I have seen when he's on song. That's very rarely the case though but when he's going, he's like Dean Cox. The skills and deft hands for such a tall person are simply exceptional. Almost like a midfielder caught in a big mans body.
You get what you need from Lobbe and given our predicament right now, we just can't take another gamble on someone like Smith and I truly hope our list managers are contemplating a similar thought.

We have too many young midfielders who are smack bang in the middle of their development phase and to continually have to adjust to new rucks during a season, it's impacting their progress to a slight degree. Need some cohesiveness with this midfield brigade and it has to start in 2016.
 

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I think Lobbe would be the more preferred option as opposed to Smith. But it really comes down to who is more attainable. Smith is un-contracted and would clearly cost less trade wise. If Lobbe was un-contracted, I think we'd be all over him. Smith imo will only cost us a second rounder. Talk of a first rounder is ridiculous. Maybe our second rounder next year and a "sweetner".
 

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Not even a minor inconvenience to trade time discussion on BF.
We've got to fatten these threads up somehow.

Just got to look at it logically. Vice Captain of the club. Ryder under a WADA cloud. Back up in Redden delisted. Schulz uncertain (which affects Ryder in the ruck potentially). Hinkley defiant.

No chance. Absolutely none whatsoever.
 

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When was the last time Bartel took an overhead mark? been a few seasons. He is twice as slow as johnson and is a massive liability
Do not agree. See stats below. No bad for someone playing out of the backline and had an injury interrupted year. I can recall a few occasions this year when he took grabs backing into packs. Jimmy just goes about his business in a professional way and does the team thing. There will have been a number of occasions when he was given a role to play on an opposition player and did it even if it meant that he would get less of the ball. The same can not be said for SJ who is quite poor on the defensive side & is more focused on his own game, sometimes to the detriment of the team

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Games Played 11
  • Kicks 11.5
  • Handballs 12.0
  • Disposals 23.5
  • Marks 6.3
  • Hit-Outs 0.1
  • Tackles 3.9
  • Goals 0.0
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Additional comparison between Jimmy & SJ. Note that Jimmy was second highest in average possessions behind Selwood at Geelong this year (& 54 in the league). Also note that as a defender he is regularly looking to spoil rather than mark. He has been very much underrated by Geelong supporters & media over the last few years, but not by the Geelong Coaches & players. They know how important he is to the club.

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Also note that disposal efficiency for Jimmy was 79.9% and for SJ was 64.6%.
 

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It was very clear he's gone. He was asked the question and it was clearly an inappropriate time to come out and say "Yes, he'll be delisted."
I think that our list management will be a lot more brutal after this GF. If we want to even think about competing we need to evolve.
 

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There have been a lot of posts in this thread regarding comparisons to Hawthorn. Here's something to keep in perspective. When Hodge was Selwood's current age he was a 1x premiership player and his body was looking shot. I was wondering why they had recruited Burgoyne. Hawthorn were a mentally fragile unit who couldn't close tight games. They had just lost a tight Prelim to Coll that they should've won. Having lost to Freo in an elimination final the year before. And having missed the finals the year before that.

But they weren't lost years for the Hawks in hindsight. Young players were gaining valuable experience. Holes in the game plan and best 22 were being critically exposed. Clarko was fixing and replacing jigsaw pieces until his mosaic gained a fuller picture.
 

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I wouldn't mind betting they are hoping to land a few more FAs at the end of next year. If they end up trading for Danger and giving away more than one pick, I would consider it a fairly strong sign that they are confident of developing the list further in the next few years without the aid of the draft.
We all know how measured and considered Chris Scott is with his media comments.

So a response by him last week certainly pricked my ears (on afl360 from memory). Asked a question in relation to the clubs steadfast policy of not paying anyone any more than Selwood (wrt to Danger) Scott interestingly replied that "anything we do in the next year or two would not compromise that'. I would be reading more than something into that personally.

Anyways, I'm off to get a trolley.
 

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Very notable today on Trade radio when Stephen Wells was talking about our ruck stocks for next year he mentioned Stanley, Vardy, Clark and Blitz as making our ruck core but they are looking to add to that, when asked where does that leave Dawson he Wellsy was hesitant to commit that he would be there next year
 

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We all know how measured and considered Chris Scott is with his media comments.

So a response by him last week certainly pricked my ears (on afl360 from memory). Asked a question in relation to the clubs steadfast policy of not paying anyone any more than Selwood (wrt to Danger) Scott interestingly replied that "anything we do in the next year or two would not compromise that'. I would be reading more than something into that personally.

Anyways, I'm off to get a trolley.
Jaeger watch is officially on;)

Caddy two years ago, Smith this year, O'Meara next year. See sending Gary to the Suns was a master stroke he is up there selling the benefits of joining Geelong to the Suns players:D
 

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Does modern era matter?

Hawks easily over the past 15 years.
Melbourne are still the best ever. In my opinion.


And in 50 years people will ask who was the best. Not current era.
Hawks easily over.. my life time

I hate them but I admire them... I can understand how the great comp wide hate of Collingwood happened going back to 30's. Surely their success no is getting close to proving the equalisation method are not working.
 

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If we got Dangerfield and Lobbe without giving up too much and that was it for this offseason, I'd be stoked.
Henderson, S.Selwood etc. should be a secondary thought before these two
 

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I don't think we are any chance of getting Lobbe. He's a very good ruckman and Port would rightly want good deal considering he recently signed a 4 year deal.

I'd say it's very unlikely Geelong will be in the market for any other higher profile players than the ones linked already. For better or worse the cats plans are usually well known.

If we somehow manage to get the 4 players we're after. I'd say that would be our greatest recruiting coup of all time.

That doesn't necessarily translate into success but if other things work out it sure gives us a good chance.
 

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So we have 7 off the senior list currently, Jansen and Walker are looking likely trade outs so thats 9, and Simpson and Kersten are still uncontracted.

I am fairly confident that at this stage we will get all of Danger, Scooter, Henderson and a ruckman (probably Smith). So that would leave us with 5 spots to fill or 6 if we move Simpson on (which is likely).
After trades it is probably likely that our firsts and seconds will be gone so we will have #46, #64 #82 and #96 but the last two of those picks will move up as most teams wont pick beyond 60 so it might be say #46 #64 #70 and #71. We would still be hoping to get some 3rd or 4th rounders back from Adel/Carl/GC in the trades I think, unless we are going to try and trade any of next year's picks for picks this year in swaps with other clubs.

The other two options I suppose are bringing DFA's in from other clubs or we we could run at 38 + 6 normal rookies (Luxford and Lucey are outside the normal rookie list anyway) instead of 40 + 4 normal rookies which means 2 less senior spots we fill and saves on cap space, with 2 nominated rookies.
Lux is outside the cap... but if they had an eye on another international type would it beneficial to upgrade him this year?

On another one of your posts...just how many picks do you feel GC will have in the R1.... Probably will not happen but I like your P3 idea.
p9+ R2;2016 <> p3? Be close on points id say
 
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