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Looking at our players under 28 to identify needs for the future. Aside from JK who I have confidence will be a regular from next season, I've left out our players who have yet to debut. Have now include Danger who has his bags at the front door and a taxi booked for the airport in early October.

B: Bews, Kolodjashnij, ???
CB: Thurlow, ???, Guthrie
C: Motlop, Duncan, Murdoch
HF: Lang, Walker (?), Cockatoo
F: Gregson, Hawkins, Kersten

Foll: Stanley, Dangerfield, Selwood

Int: Blicavs, ????, ????, ?????

Possibles: Gore, Cunico, Horlin-Smith, Jansen

Needs: Key position backman plus more quality mids needed. Probably a genuine no.1 ruck. Even another flanker or two. But fundamentally we are in a reasonable position considering our success over the past 8 years. The issue really will be about quality. Are the players we are bringing good enough to collectively win a flag?
 

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Overall Id agree with your XXXXX spots and it seem to tie into MC thinking , if you believe the players we have been linked to.
We actually have drafted a few inside mids recently with Jansen and Gore to help address our clearance issues. Assuming Danger comes we are pretty well stocked in this area for numbers - just a matter as whether the aforementioned two are good enough I suppose. I'm starting to think that Parish, with his mixture of both an inside and outside game, would be a good get for us, though after his game today (he's apparently dominating), we may be lucky to get him.
 

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We actually have drafted a few inside mids recently with Jansen and Gore to help address our clearance issues. Assuming Danger comes we are pretty well stocked in this area for numbers - just a matter as whether the aforementioned two are good enough I suppose. I'm starting to think that Parish, with his mixture of both an inside and outside game, would be a good get for us, though after his game today (he's apparently dominating), we may be lucky to get him.
I have no figures on it but I suspect you need to draft 2 to get 1 , or maybe 3 to get 2. Even when we nailed the drafts in 99 and 01 , not every player was a hit. So you bring young players you like or deem possible , and lets the system sort who "becomes"... The only thing I am confident on is someone will.

Parish... looks good , but unless finish bad..don't see it happening for us...and even then we really dont know just how early we will be picking in this draft. Im look at the player who maybe good gets at 30+. Gregson has show they can be huge adds.
 

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Im look at the player who maybe good gets at 30+. Gregson has show they can be huge adds.
Players like Gregson exist when the draft pool has some depth.

From what I've read (which may be off base) this year's pool doesn't have talent running quite as deep.

Finding a Gregson or Gore or even Cunico this year may be a little harder.

But we'll know more as the year progresses.
 
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Players like Gregson exist when the draft pool has some depth.

From what I've read (which may be off base) this year's pool doesn't have talent running quite as deep.

Finding a Gregson or Gore or even Cunico this year may be a little harder.

But we'll know more as the year progresses.
If Vic Metro is stinking it up, you know the draft is going to run short.
 

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Players like Gregson exist when the draft pool has some depth.

From what I've read (which may be off base) this year's pool doesn't have talent running quite as deep.

Finding a Gregson or Gore or even Cunico this year may be a little harder.

But we'll know more as the year progresses.
I believe they exists every year but there are less of them. I bet if we went back over the last 15 drafts.. there would nearly always be 1 player who is a win (100 games plus) sometimes a Gregson as in play immediately , sometimes taking a little bit of time.

Lets start with probably greatest of them all.
Draft/Player/Pick/Games
99 Enright 47 299
00 Hunt 44 212
01 Swan 58 246
02 Simpson 45 230
03 Fisher 55 206
04 Pierce R16 214
05 Patfull 56 192
06 Harbrow R27 157
07 Mumford R57 127
08 Breust 47 101
09 Stratton 46 102

Id agree if there was an overall study , (something of Teriyakicat perhaps ) that in the deeper years there are more but in most years , if not all there players there late.
 

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Players like Gregson exist when the draft pool has some depth.

From what I've read (which may be off base) this year's pool doesn't have talent running quite as deep.

Finding a Gregson or Gore or even Cunico this year may be a little harder.

But we'll know more as the year progresses.
They say that every year but after the carnival concludes and during the combine they start talking up every player and his dog. In every year there's always a find later in the draft.
 

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They say that every year but after the carnival concludes and during the combine they start talking up every player and his dog. In every year there's always a find later in the draft.
Yeah, there is always A find.

But there are years, like last year, where there are a few more than 1.

I have a feeling this year might be light on towards the back end of the draft.

We'll see, as you say players always pop up later in the year.
 

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Looking at our players under 28 to identify needs for the future. Aside from JK who I have confidence will be a regular from next season, I've left out our players who have yet to debut. Have now include Danger who has his bags at the front door and a taxi booked for the airport in early October.

B: Bews, Kolodjashnij, ???
CB: Thurlow, ???, Guthrie
C: Motlop, Duncan, Murdoch
HF: Lang, Walker (?), Cockatoo
F: Gregson, Hawkins, Kersten

Foll: Stanley, Dangerfield, Selwood

Int: Blicavs, ????, ????, ?????

Possibles: Gore, Cunico, Horlin-Smith, Jansen

Needs: Key position backman plus more quality mids needed. Probably a genuine no.1 ruck. Even another flanker or two. But fundamentally we are in a reasonable position considering our success over the past 8 years. The issue really will be about quality. Are the players we are bringing good enough to collectively win a flag?
We need more clearance midfielders primarily and need to hang onto JK and need to draft more young key defenders. We probably need to also trade in or draft a mature age ruck to support Stanley given he, Blicavs and Vardy and Clark are likely to be be the only rucks on the main list next year.
 

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I believe they exists every year but there are less of them. I bet if we went back over the last 15 drafts.. there would nearly always be 1 player who is a win (100 games plus) sometimes a Gregson as in play immediately , sometimes taking a little bit of time.

Lets start with probably greatest of them all.
Draft/Player/Pick/Games
99 Enright 47 299
00 Hunt 44 212
01 Swan 58 246
02 Simpson 45 230
03 Fisher 55 206
04 Pierce R16 214
05 Patfull 56 192
06 Harbrow R27 157
07 Mumford R57 127
08 Breust 47 101
09 Stratton 46 102

Id agree if there was an overall study , (something of Teriyakicat perhaps ) that in the deeper years there are more but in most years , if not all there players there late.
While I can't produce a study, I can give you a breakdown, for the years 1997-2003

112 players (out of 342 or 32.7%) drafted before pick 50 played at least 150 games
28 players (out of 199 or 14.1%) drafted after pick 50 and in the national draft played at least 150 games
32 players (out of 412 or 7.7%) drafted in the Rookie draft played at least 150 games

Comparing the weakest draft with the strongest(highest vs lowest median) just the national draft
year: 1997 and 2000
Players drafted: 83 and 75
median games played: 19 and 76
players drafted after pick 50 who played 100 games: 6 out of 34 and 7 out of 26

I know it was a small sample size but there wasn't much difference between a strong draft and a weak draft after pick 50.
 

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I believe they exists every year but there are less of them. I bet if we went back over the last 15 drafts.. there would nearly always be 1 player who is a win (100 games plus) sometimes a Gregson as in play immediately , sometimes taking a little bit of time.

Lets start with probably greatest of them all.
Draft/Player/Pick/Games
99 Enright 47 299
00 Hunt 44 212
01 Swan 58 246
02 Simpson 45 230
03 Fisher 55 206
04 Pierce R16 214
05 Patfull 56 192
06 Harbrow R27 157
07 Mumford R57 127
08 Breust 47 101
09 Stratton 46 102

Id agree if there was an overall study , (something of Teriyakicat perhaps ) that in the deeper years there are more but in most years , if not all there players there late.
Way beyond me, Turbo. I don't know the players well enough. I will keep my eye out for any relevant articles, though.
 

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We need more clearance midfielders primarily and need to hang onto JK and need to draft more young key defenders. We probably need to also trade in or draft a mature age ruck to support Stanley given he, Blicavs and Vardy and Clark are likely to be be the only rucks on the main list next year.
Do you think there's still a place for the dinosaur rucks in today's game, PO, or have we almost moved right away from using them?
 

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While I can't produce a study, I can give you a breakdown, for the years 1997-2003

112 players (out of 342 or 32.7%) drafted before pick 50 played at least 150 games
28 players (out of 199 or 14.1%) drafted after pick 50 and in the national draft played at least 150 games
32 players (out of 412 or 7.7%) drafted in the Rookie draft played at least 150 games

Comparing the weakest draft with the strongest(highest vs lowest median) just the national draft
year: 1997 and 2000
Players drafted: 83 and 75
median games played: 19 and 76
players drafted after pick 50 who played 100 games: 6 out of 34 and 7 out of 26

I know it was a small sample size but there wasn't much difference between a strong draft and a weak draft after pick 50.
Thanks 10lana. I was about to dob you in for that but relented as I don't know how busy you are. :)
 
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We need more clearance midfielders primarily and need to hang onto JK and need to draft more young key defenders. We probably need to also trade in or draft a mature age ruck to support Stanley given he, Blicavs and Vardy and Clark are likely to be be the only rucks on the main list next year.
That guy we got from Norf - he's a defender yeah? "Where's he at"?
 

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Do you think there's still a place for the dinosaur rucks in today's game, PO, or have we almost moved right away from using them?
I think you can still have a big slow ruckman so long as his second efforts at clearances are great, and he can contribute around the ground, Mumford is the example of this. But Simpson doesn't do enough around the ground so I think the game has gone past him.

In general I think with a lot of the rule changes, and especially if they do cap the interchange, the game is moving more towards the athletic rucks over dinosaur rucks, but the athletic ones still need to have good ruck craft.
 

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I think you can still have a big slow ruckman so long as his second efforts at clearances are great, and he can contribute around the ground, Mumford is the example of this. But Simpson doesn't do enough around the ground so I think the game has gone past him.

In general I think with a lot of the rule changes, and especially if they do cap the interchange, the game is moving more towards the athletic rucks over dinosaur rucks, but the athletic ones still need to have good ruck craft.
Mummy is quite mobile. Big slow ruckman (unless you're an exception like Sandilands) are not the way to go. The Blues made that error of judgement with Warnock.
 
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