List Mgmt. 2016 general list discussion and speculation (cont in Pt.2)

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There seem to be some sort emotional attachment to him.. he has but played how many minutes of football but in those minutes did he show enough?

Its a fair question you ask Partridge , I guess im assuming that the club will keep doing what they have to some degree... patronage dues to the intangible he brings. Club atmosphere , great attitude... maybe even talent.
To a certain degree that's reasonable. When Brian Cook comes out and explicitly says the long term injuries are costing the club too much money, that starts to indicate they may not be quite so loyal this October.
 

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To a certain degree that's reasonable. When Brian Cook comes out and explicitly says the long term injuries are costing the club too much money, that starts to indicate they may not be quite so loyal this October.
Always hard to read between the lines... but yes some will pay the price if they don't get on the green stuff soon.
Hmac and Simpson in trouble. Vardy needs games too. Menzel ..just how long do wait... needs games.
Bates has finally got on the ground , and is playing for a spot.
 

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To a certain degree that's reasonable. When Brian Cook comes out and explicitly says the long term injuries are costing the club too much money, that starts to indicate they may not be quite so loyal this October.
Throw in the two already gone and the 7 or 8 long term injuries and may be a retirement, to many in the one year they will punt on a few I guess which one's who knows.
 

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To a certain degree that's reasonable. When Brian Cook comes out and explicitly says the long term injuries are costing the club too much money, that starts to indicate they may not be quite so loyal this October.
Perhaps it's a warning to the LTI players who aren't putting in the hard yards....
 

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Anyone in particular? ;)
Dunno. Just a general thought. Was just theorising about players' attitude to their injuries and wondering if they all were attacking their rehab with the same enthusiasm as Menzel. I don't have any inside info- or know any of these players- but was just wondering. It must be tough for these boys who can't play the game they love and it'd be frustrating going in and doing the same old, same old, and not seeing the light at the end of the tunnel.
 

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MenzVardCow need to get out on the ground... I just cant see how we can go again with players that have been here this long and continued to be so barren.

Its all there for the three of them ... even if its only VFL games they need to play and not get injured.
The other thing that may come into account is need for type and attitude of the ground
2 out 3 rucks probably need to go. Maybe Cowan can be delisted and Rookied.. Have to be doubtful that anyone would pick him up.

On the Vets ...is having them on the list such a crime? There are two things min. we need to take into account. Form and cost.

We get a discount of 100G per Rookie... so as long as they take on board what role they would be asked to play and are willing to be that . Would they play for 300? Gees I would be who knows. Enright and Rivers have fantastic form atm. Kelly and Bartel are still good role players at the least. For the right price , could we do better? Some one will have to make way ..I guess .. just don't know who.
The olds could play on as they love the game, and on reduced $$$
In Selwood, danger, Henderson, 2 picks
Out Mac, vardy, Cowan,
Anyone in particular? ;)
vardy
Anyone in particular? ;)
vardy
 

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The olds could play on as they love the game, and on reduced $$$
In Selwood, danger, Henderson, 2 picks
Out Mac, vardy, Cowan,
vardy
vardy
Surely the "Olds" as you call them that are playing well are worth 200/250 a year in the cap For the long termers that can mean another 100 for Vets. Rivers , well I guess thats a fitness, desire thing.


You seem pretty down on Vardy.. keeping Simpson instead of him wouldn't seem a great up.
 

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My expected list changes at end of year:

dole queue:
Cowan (injured, low talent)
menzel (body gone)
simpson (just a dumb footballer. Mark Blake mkII)
mcintosh (old, cooked, done)
kerstan (lacks the heart)
Hartman (walkabouts)
Delaney (injured)
blease (must close his eyes everytime he kicks)
Jenson (horrible at vfl level, maybe if a bell was attached to the ball he would be able to find it more. 10 touches a game not good enough, GFL at best)
Trade: Walker for pick 195, GHS for pick 207
 

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My expected list changes at end of year:

dole queue:
Cowan (injured, low talent)
menzel (body gone)
simpson (just a dumb footballer. Mark Blake mkII)
mcintosh (old, cooked, done)
kerstan (lacks the heart)
Hartman (walkabouts)
Delaney (injured)
blease (must close his eyes everytime he kicks)
Jenson (horrible at vfl level, maybe if a bell was attached to the ball he would be able to find it more. 10 touches a game not good enough, GFL at best)
Trade: Walker for pick 195, GHS for pick 207
LOL. Here we go.

 

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Which of the listed players do you not agree with?
Perhaps these:

Kersten - has played only a handful of games. Neither of our current stars had been replicating this form early on. Why drop a guy who has yet to gain enough experience? Lunacy.

Jensen - he hasn't even played senior footy, how do you know how he'd go?

Walker, GHS - see Kersten.

Delaney - he's a rookie listed player, free hit.

I do agree with you on Simpson and Hmac. Cowan probably has this year to prove his worth. Same with Menz.

But you can't get rid of them all, where's their replacements coming from? The draft?

Kidding yourself if you could replace all these guys, plus retirements in one year and be anywhere near competitive.
 

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Surely the "Olds" as you call them that are playing well are worth 200/250 a year in the cap For the long termers that can mean another 100 for Vets. Rivers , well I guess thats a fitness, desire thing.


You seem pretty down on Vardy.. keeping Simpson instead of him wouldn't seem a great up.
Club has issues with vardys prep and behaviour
It is the reason he fell to us

Still
My expected list changes at end of year:

dole queue:
Cowan (injured, low talent)
menzel (body gone)
simpson (just a dumb footballer. Mark Blake mkII)
mcintosh (old, cooked, done)
kerstan (lacks the heart)
Hartman (walkabouts)
Delaney (injured)
blease (must close his eyes everytime he kicks)
Jenson (horrible at vfl level, maybe if a bell was attached to the ball he would be able to find it more. 10 touches a game not good enough, GFL at best)
Trade: Walker for pick 195, GHS for pick 207
11 changes lol and more lol
 

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dole queue:
Cowan (injured, low talent)
menzel (body gone)
simpson (just a dumb footballer. Mark Blake mkII)
mcintosh (old, cooked, done)
kerstan (lacks the heart)
Hartman (walkabouts)
Delaney (injured)
blease (must close his eyes everytime he kicks)
Jenson (horrible at vfl level, maybe if a bell was attached to the ball he would be able to find it more. 10 touches a game not good enough, GFL at best)
Trade: Walker for pick 195, GHS for pick 207
Agree on the first four (would not say Simpson is dumb, his 2013 form showed he isn't, but his injuries have caught up with him). Hartman is obvious as he's already left. Can't agree with anyone else and for especially Blease and Jansen I'd want to see way more evidence (i.e. senior football in Jansen's case, and more than 1 quarter in Blease's) before making definitive judgements.
 

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Dunno. Just a general thought. Was just theorising about players' attitude to their injuries and wondering if they all were attacking their rehab with the same enthusiasm as Menzel. I don't have any inside info- or know any of these players- but was just wondering. It must be tough for these boys who can't play the game they love and it'd be frustrating going in and doing the same old, same old, and not seeing the light at the end of the tunnel.
True. But they're still getting paid - very well paid - for doing nothing. It's not that as tough as it's made out to be.
 

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Always hard to read between the lines... but yes some will pay the price if they don't get on the green stuff soon.
Hmac and Simpson in trouble. Vardy needs games too. Menzel ..just how long do wait... needs games.
Bates has finally got on the ground , and is playing for a spot.
The four to me I'd say are closest to the chop are Menzel, Cowan, McIntosh and Simpson. McIntosh will almost certainly make the decision for them. Simpson might as well. If Menzel doesn't come back successfully - i.e. senior football - he might too.
 

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True. But they're still getting paid - very well paid - for doing nothing. It's not that as tough as it's made out to be.
I wouldn't say that they're getting paid for doing nothing. That rehab wouldn't be a cruise and they do have to keep their body in the best shape they can. I doubt anyone would be allowed to get on the turps while they're in rehab, any more than they're allowed to do it during the season- apart from the mid-season break of a few days.

And the media scrutiny would be excruciating.
 

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I actually think that comment as reported above is a pretty poor remark by Cook. None of these players want to be injured and laying financial costs at their feet is just not fair. Medical costs are a cost of doing business in this game.

If there is financial problems he should be looking at himself and his commercial people not injured players.

There are legitimate concerns about the number of injured players but would prefer these remarks were made by football dept (if at all).
 

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I actually think that comment as reported above is a pretty poor remark by Cook. None of these players want to be injured and laying financial costs at their feet is just not fair. Medical costs are a cost of doing business in this game.

If there is financial problems he should be looking at himself and his commercial people not injured players.

There are legitimate concerns about the number of injured players but would prefer these remarks were made by football dept (if at all).
Depends on your viewpoint and perspective. Some of them have been occupying the medical rooms for a long time now, with very little to show for it. I personally would respond, well, life's not fair. Unless you get fit there's a very real danger you guys might have to find a real job. Plenty of players who play VFL and get cut without playing a senior game would question the 'fairness' of holding onto guys who rarely or never take the field too.

Additionally, I'm glad those remarks are made by Cook. They can't be dismissed as mere rumour.
 

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Depends on your viewpoint and perspective. Some of them have been occupying the medical rooms for a long time now, with very little to show for it. I personally would respond, well, life's not fair. Unless you get fit there's a very real danger you guys might have to find a real job. Plenty of players who play VFL and get cut without playing a senior game would question the 'fairness' of holding onto guys who rarely or never take the field too.

Additionally, I'm glad those remarks are made by Cook. They can't be dismissed as mere rumour.
All those remarks amount to is that we are paying wages to the 12 blokes who are injured, at an average of about $200,000 pa..
The corollary is that we would be paying these wages to someone else if we replaced them.
It therefore takes us no further on the key argument of whether or not we should replace them.
 

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All those remarks amount to is that we are paying wages to the 12 blokes who are injured, at an average of about $200,000 pa..
The corollary is that we would be paying these wages to someone else if we replaced them.
It therefore takes us no further on the key argument of whether or not we should replace them.
Doesn't it? You don't think guys who can get out on the ground are worth more than those who can't?
 
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