Analysis 2016 List Management Discussion

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Kramer1

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Whats with this obession for big bodies to protect the 'kids' up forward. Sos and charlie have already shown they can handle themselves in the contest. They aren't built like bootsma. They can handle themselves and are smart players. Our midfielders need to adjust to our forwards and not just bomb the ball forward to a massive pack. Season is almost finished and they'll have another pre season in the gym.
Of course they need senior players around them. They've shown promising cameos...not that they can lead a forward line against hardened defenders over an entire season.
 

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Scuttlebutt is that Richmond need to decide whether to go with Vickery or Griffiths as a long term plan.

Griffiths has less runs on the board, but is younger, so public opinion has Vickery getting squeezed out.
Vickery is a free agent so he can go if he wants to - Tigers can only stop him by matching the offer.

FWIW - no club has ever matched an offer made to a RFA.
 

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does anyone play chf anymore? a few clubs play with one big target and mobile players around them. bolton comes from a system which relies on ball use and mobility. their goalkickers are gunston rioli bruest & puopolo. no big targets at all. even a fit roughead was mobile and played all around the ground.

get some gun mids that can use the ball and it will make a massive difference to our scoring ability. that's why im excited about mckay, charlie & silvagni. all smart players and goal kickers that will thrive being fed by an efficient midfield. weitering & jaksch could be mobile options as well and we look well stocked if we get tomlinson & stewart.

maybe even get a close or apeness who are young talls that may look to come home for opportunity.

I see lots of upside & positives in our tall stocks. its time for mids mids & mids :)
I agree with all of this Soapy but still think we need 1 big mature strong body that is not a pure ruck or FB.

So if we get a great offer for Levi we need someone to fill that role and also be able to be 2nd ruck (as Phillips and Kreuzer have missed games this year and will most likely continue to do so).

If we can get TV (or someone similar) for free to fill that role for 2-3 years - I say do it.
 

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I agree with all of this Soapy but still think we need 1 big mature strong body that is not a pure ruck or FB.

So if we get a great offer for Levi we need someone to fill that role and also be able to be 2nd ruck (as Phillips and Kreuzer have missed games this year and will most likely continue to do so).

If we can get TV (or someone similar) for free to fill that role for 2-3 years - I say do it.
I think we are okay especially if we get Tomlinson & Stewart. Like to see Gorringe get a decent run as 2nd ruck. He's contracted anyway
 

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Um, why don't we (shock horror) keep building via the draft and find our own gun young mids ?

No point in trading for a Prestia or Gaff if our premiership window is still several years away, feel like short cut recruiting/topping up has gotten us nowhere, its time to bank our draft picks and draft and develop 2nd/3rd/4th round picks, ideally i'd like a gradual reduction of intake of players of other clubs on our list over the next 3/4 years.
 

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Would be heavily front loading prestias contract to get him over the line. We will have the space to comfortably give him 700k ×1/600k×1 /500k×2 and renegotiate after that.
Be quite happy with that. It's a very reasonable pay packet for a young gun and won't break the bank at all. It's very important that we get the salary management right and don't have players on overblown amounts. It creates all sorta problems.
 

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Whats with this obession for big bodies to protect the 'kids' up forward. Sos and charlie have already shown they can handle themselves in the contest. They aren't built like bootsma. They can handle themselves and are smart players. Our midfielders need to adjust to our forwards and not just bomb the ball forward to a massive pack. Season is almost finished and they'll have another pre season in the gym.
When I suggested trading Gibbs people were saying that his leadership is required for the kids. I saw that he showed very little leadership since the Geelong game. So what leadership will he show at 30+ years of age?

If we can get a top ten pick for him then I would do it in a heart beat.
 

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You want an 18 year old with a dodgy back and who is still growing to ruck in his first year.

He would be lucky to play 6 games for the year.

Could you imagine what Mummy and NicNat would do to him?
I'm not suggesting that he plays as a ruckman, unless in the unlikely situation that Kreuzer, Phillips, Gorringe and Korchek (plus Rowe) are all out injured.

On the other hand, if he's in the senior team alongside Phillips and Kreuzer, then I would expect him to take a handful of boundary throw-ins and/or centre-bounces to give him a taste.
 

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When I suggested trading Gibbs people were saying that his leadership is required for the kids. I saw that he showed very little leadership since the Geelong game. So what leadership will he show at 30+ years of age?

If we can get a top ten pick for him then I would do it in a heart beat.
Mmm I'd rather keep gibbs, his been pretty good this season.
 

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Mmm I'd rather keep gibbs, his been pretty good this season.
Its a tale of his whole career in a nutshell this season for Gibbs, slow start, a blistering, almost career best vein of form for 6-7 weeks, and then his last month has been turgid.

How Gibbs cannot maintain an extended form of elite/high octane level of football over an entire season is one of the most frustrating things at this footy club in the past decade.

He could (maybe should) have been a much better player, although to cut him some slack, this club has been so dysfunctional for most of his career, especially in his formative years in the AFL..
 

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Um, why don't we (shock horror) keep building via the draft and find our own gun young mids ?

No point in trading for a Prestia or Gaff if our premiership window is still several years away, feel like short cut recruiting/topping up has gotten us nowhere, its time to bank our draft picks and draft and develop 2nd/3rd/4th round picks, ideally i'd like a gradual reduction of intake of players of other clubs on our list over the next 3/4 years.
You realise prestia is not even 24 right? And he's a gun. Nothing like our previous top ups.
 
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