List Mgmt. 2016 NAB AFL Trade Period

[Blue_Fusion]

AFL site has an article which includes a nice little tidbit on how we traded "our" 2017 2nd rounder to the Hawks.

What idiots. So unprofessional they can't even get something as simple as that right.

The reality is this, GWS will likely make the grand final next year. Their 2017 2nd rounder will be about #40 after compo.

We got #48 and change in return.

This year's draft is said to be deeper than next year's.

#48 in a deep draft vs ~#40 in a thinner draft.

It evens out. We didn't really lose much at all, if anything we'll have a better chance to pick up a gem this year with #48 than we will next year with #40.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Good summary

Only thing I would say is Palmer's numbers in terms of curve career have gone the opposite way to what you'd normally expect. His numbers in his first year were incredible but have since declined. Is it bec of injury or not being given the midfield opportunity at GWS?

Terrible user of the ball.

I hate to think about Palmer and Kerridge running around in our midfield next year. Turnovers galore.

 

[1981]

Terrible user of the ball.

I hate to think about Palmer and Kerridge running around in our midfield next year. Turnovers galore.

Yes he is a poor user as is SK

I was more focussing purely on numbers

I was and am too scared to think of his ball use lol

 

[JustaBattler]

Good to see a lot more positive vibe after all the dust has mostly settled. Was pretty obvious that SOS had his hands tied by the Adelaide strategy in cahoots with GWS - which probably meant a few other potential trades were nullified eg Hrovat.

This year Adelaide found an ally in GWS and effectively put a lot of pressure on pick #5 - the Club stood firm and as promised kept pick#5.

Geelong helped us out to get Tuohy - which was a great gesture from them - should not go unrecognised or appreciated - despite the loss of Tuohy.

Loved the pick swaps to help Hawforn get their man and stop a potential free lunch to EssenDONE via PSD - we should expect some consideration if required in future.

Pretty obvious to me that in the end both JOM or Prestia were gettable using out #5 - the Club decided no - ( think about this for a seocnd) #5 to Suns woudl have given them pretty much free reign over top10 picks, #5 is a nice stopper we hold - no doubt JOM or Prestia for #5 could have seen them take Everitt and maybe Graham for 1-2 picks back.- The CLub decided not to pursue either - and keep #5 as promisewd to faithful.

and of course some hints that serious work has already been done regarding Fye next year - Barlowe must surely be a potential target for short term mid depth.

We picked up a 19 year old starting KPP player in Marchbank much to GWS's annoyance adding a third young tall to our defensive backs - in itself a potential top 10 pick. Pickett coming good sooner than many prophesised woudl be a lotterty win - and exciting prospect.

Schmedts and Palmer will improve depth and add experience - Schmedts played on wing or HFF where he hjas played his best might add some class to forwared line. Palmer will roatew beter through midfield than some other players currently on list.

So it all boils down to who the CLub wants in draft now- two handy picks in #5 and #25 - with 1-3 chances to pull a diamond from a later rounds and some ammo trio decide what to do with Sheehan and any DFA we want to add experienced depth.

We are once aghain in a better place to begin pre-season.

Well doner SOS and Co.

 

[thylacine60]

So it's only me they spit on?

Well...this is awkward...

It's these children that they spit on as they try to change their world.

 

[thylacine60]

Good to see a lot more positive vibe after all the dust has mostly settled. Was pretty obvious that SOS had his hands tied by the Adelaide strategy in cahoots with GWS - which probably meant a few other potential trades were nullified eg Hrovat.

This year Adelaide found an ally in GWS and effectively put a lot of pressure on pick #5 - the Club stood firm and as promised kept pick#5.

Geelong helped us out to get Tuohy - which was a great gesture from them - should not go unrecognised or appreciated - despite the loss of Tuohy.

Loved the pick swaps to help Hawforn get their man and stop a potential free lunch to EssenDONE via PSD - we should expect some consideration if required in future.

Pretty obvious to me that in the end both JOM or Prestia were gettable using out #5 - the Club decided no - ( think about this for a seocnd) #5 to Suns woudl have given them pretty much free reign over top10 picks, #5 is a nice stopper we hold - no doubt JOM or Prestia for #5 could have seen them take Everitt and maybe Graham for 1-2 picks back.- The CLub decided not to pursue either - and keep #5 as promisewd to faithful.

and of course some hints that serious work has already been done regarding Fye next year - Barlowe must surely be a potential target for short term mid depth.

We picked up a 19 year old starting KPP player in Marchbank much to GWS's annoyance adding a third young tall to our defensive backs - in itself a potential top 10 pick. Pickett coming good sooner than many prophesised woudl be a lotterty win - and exciting prospect.

Schmedts and Palmer will improve depth and add experience - Schmedts played on wing or HFF where he hjas played his best might add some class to forwared line. Palmer will roatew beter through midfield than some other players currently on list.

So it all boils down to who the CLub wants in draft now- two handy picks in #5 and #25 - with 1-3 chances to pull a diamond from a later rounds and some ammo trio decide what to do with Sheehan and any DFA we want to add experienced depth.

We are once aghain in a better place to begin pre-season.

Well doner SOS and Co.

Top post. Things could only get better if Nicky G actually came on. Still a chance.

 

[RAPPA]

Terrible user of the ball.

I hate to think about Palmer and Kerridge running around in our midfield next year. Turnovers galore.

If there was a prize for clangers, those two in the navy blue would be short odds.

 

[Stiffler's Dad]

Happy for this to be the case...he's quite an accurate kick for goal and will give as much 'big body presence' as Casboult would to protect the kids.

Ideally Casboult and Jones are just backup depth and gone at end of the year.

Also with Rowe forward his deficiencies / clangers are less costly.
I like it!

 

[HBF]

It's so weird having rival supporters say nice things to us

Tell me about it.
Just doesn't feel right.

 

[Stiffler's Dad]

At the end of the day SOS needs to get top talent into the list and it's not easy to do this. You need to use whatever edge you have available to you and for us it was his GWS connections.

We got Plowman and Marchbank cheaply and have gambled on fitness of Sumner and Pickett.

Not much else we Can do. Can't ask the AFL for free top ten picks

With all the handouts to GWS and GC if the AFL were smart (which they are not) they should have at least at some point given the bottom 8 sides an extra pick at the end of the 1st round (or similar) for a couple of years.

The drain of talent which has made GWS unprecedentedly "a super powerhouse", has greatly weakened the other teams mostly affecting the lower ones, as the Hawthorn's and Sydney's of the world just use free-agency to top-up......another whack for the lower clubs.

Just waiting for the AFL to repaint their headquarters orange, black and white.......Iceholes!!!!

 

[HBF]

Dont we basically get that with the age and potential upside of both Marchbank & Pickett ??

If both get a good run at it with injuries, they were picks 4 & 6 only 2 years ago and are what 19/20 years old.

Exactly. And with this, we've got our defence sorted for a decade. Time to beef up our midfield and keep building our forward line.

 

[Stiffler's Dad]

how much pressure was the bloke working under - put my job on the national stage and I reckon I'd end up hiding in a cupboard.........

So you are saying that I should come out of the closet?
I know I probably shouldn't have been in here in the first place but it feels so safe.....especially seeing it's got room for my rocking chair.
Is it over yet?

 

[BLUE_BALLS95]

You have to ask how many GWS players one team can take on - but James Stewart was basically given to Essendon - he'd be our best forward Round 1 (ok - thats not a huge statement).

Otherwise I'm happy with trade period - if Gibbs has a blinder year Crows will have to load up next year, and we of course bring in Fyfe.

Now the brutal cull for list lodgement by end of month. Goodbye : Everitt & Graham (lol - remember ppl saying we trade them to GC for a good pick)

 

[HARKER]

You have to ask how many GWS players one team can take on - but James Stewart was basically given to Essendon - he'd be our best forward Round 1 (ok - thats not a huge statement).

Otherwise I'm happy with trade period - if Gibbs has a blinder year Crows will have to load up next year, and we of course bring in Fyfe.
Now the brutal cull for list lodgement by end of month. Goodbye : Everitt & Graham (lol - remember ppl saying we trade them to GC for a good pick)

Based on what exactly?

Was his year even better than Casboults? We can't say.
Why would he be better than McKay, Silvagni, Curnow, or even Weitering, should that come about?

Big if......but if Jaskch commits fully through the pre-season, even he has more strings to strings to his bow than Stewart.

 

[Gethelred]

Yep agree - when it comes to wrestling a forward though, I reckon if that's happening, we've already failed in our defensive setup. The aim would be to never have a 1v1 contest in the D50.

Not really. If you rewatch some of the better games from this year, so much of our intercept marking is achieved by 2v1 situations that were created by a defender going body on body and protecting the ball drop, so that Doc/Simpson/Tuohy could mark unopposed. Rowe was pivotal there, because there is simply none better on our list at holding body position in a marking contest.

Would not be opposed, though, to swinging him forward. Worried about his lack of speed, but even if he takes half the marks/has half the shots Cas has, he's a good shot on goal, so evens out. Might even, if given some continuity, grow into a better player up forward.

 

[Gethelred]

... Clubs on the whole, are starting to value the picks more than in past it seems.

Drafting as a science has really been refined a great deal over the last ten years; we've seen that athletes can be selected in some positions (mainly in the ruck, with only other sports that have ball handling skills incorporated becoming midfielders) but footballers are almost always better, provided they can meet the fitness targets. It could also be that list managers aren't trying to pick the best player on potential, but on proven attributes coupled with AFL readiness.

If you get a player in the first round, if they are not a key forward, you expect them to be playing within the first ten matches. The further back they are in the draft doesn't dictate these days so much to a lack of skill/potential, but to an amount of development - in terms of time and resources - that would render them an AFL player. Some will still fail, but that's due to a whole variety of factors.

It's part of why I'm not unhappy at all with the Hawthorn deal from this trade period. We take on some project players who need significantly more development but project a high enough ceiling to become quality, whilst still taking an AFL ready talent with 5. 25 will still need some time, or they may come on faster than we thought, but quality isn't necessarily in doubt, if you've done your homework on the players in question.

That's at least why I think draft picks are infinitely more valuable now than ten years ago; the goalposts for drafting have shifted from trying to pick the best to selecting the most proven, and selecting for the most immediately AFL ready. The obvious exception to that is key forwards, because you're drafting them without them having achieved their full size yet, let alone some may monster the key backs in juniors yet fail utterly when matched up against your Brian Lakes.

I think we did pretty well this trading period. Trading Gibbs may have gone too close to going full Melbourne for my taste, so not fussed there.

 

[Lace_Out]

Thinking about Silvagnis move to stifle the drug cheats efforts to get JOM for free, on the last line of defense, it was almost payback for the touched 93 GF goal...And another 99 prelim moment of sorts [emoji41]

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[Funk]

The main priority was getting marchbank and pickett in which is essentially having an extra first round pick anyway . Both huge talents by all reports . Geelong dont use high draft picks on duds smedts has obvious talent but has had big troubles getting his body right . At 24 he has time if he can get fit he could surprise , i'll back bolts to get the best out of him .
Palmer is to add midfield depth in a rebuild as we are so thin through the midfield . The stance on gibbs and adelaide was understandable as the net result would not have made a huge impact on the rebuild . So sending a message to other clubs rather than rolling over was more important to the club . So well done on that one carlton . The impact of losing gibbs to adelaide and then suffering a long term injury to cripps or murphy without having gibbs would or could have been very detrimental to our rebuild . Young players will find it much tougher to develop their game while the team is getting thumped every second week . In the end underwhelmed a little on the trade period as we didnt add much needed quality to the midfield but not unhappy . Huge draft coming up if sos and his team is good enough we can still pull some gems with later picks .
Its not all about high picks .

Spot on here.

If there is anything to learn from the Dogs it is that

1. Keep and use your high picks wisely.

2. There are plenty of gems further down the draft order if you do your homework - and these are crucial to get from top 8 on ladder to top 2!!

 

[MightyMighties]

Not really. If you rewatch some of the better games from this year, so much of our intercept marking is achieved by 2v1 situations that were created by a defender going body on body and protecting the ball drop, so that Doc/Simpson/Tuohy () could mark unopposed. Rowe was pivotal there, because there is simply none better on our list at holding body position in a marking contest.

Would not be opposed, though, to swinging him forward. Worried about his lack of speed, but even if he takes half the marks/has half the shots Cas has, he's a good shot on goal, so evens out. Might even, if given some continuity, grow into a better player up forward.

Didn't Rowe start as a forward? Only went back out of necessity?

IIRC ...

 

[Funk]

Try 30-35 not 20-25 it wasnt our pick we traded it was GWS's

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Will be closer to 40

 

[footyfan1978]

Didn't Rowe start as a forward? Only went back out of necessity?

IIRC ...

Yes, indeed it was basically the only positive of Malthouse stay at Carlton that comes readily to mind. Seemed like his idea to try Rowe in key defence and although he is no gun key defender he does a decent enough job.

 

[ShanDog]

Not really. If you rewatch some of the better games from this year, so much of our intercept marking is achieved by 2v1 situations that were created by a defender going body on body and protecting the ball drop, so that Doc/Simpson/Tuohy () could mark unopposed. Rowe was pivotal there, because there is simply none better on our list at holding body position in a marking contest.

Would not be opposed, though, to swinging him forward. Worried about his lack of speed, but even if he takes half the marks/has half the shots Cas has, he's a good shot on goal, so evens out. Might even, if given some continuity, grow into a better player up forward.

Yeah agree 100%. I was referring to when it ends up as the 1v1 without support from an intercept. Should have been a bit clearer there.

 

[Aphrodite]

It's these children that they spit on as they try to change their world.

Ch ch ch ch changes .............

 

[Funk]

Hawthorns picks will be pushed down by FAs as well so it is not a great deal points wise.
We also don't have our second next year. Given people will stop picking in the 60s, I would much preferred to keep the pick and had a couple of late picks and given a couple of players (Bucks ,DVR) an extra year.

No

 

[prisoner777]

Thinking about Silvagnis move to stifle the drug cheats efforts to get JOM for free, on the last line of defense, it was almost payback for the touched 93 GF goal...And another 99 prelim moment of sorts [emoji41]

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I've been away on hols and missed the trade period. What was SOS's move to stifle JOM ending up with Essendon?