Autopsy 2016 National Draft (NM Picks: 11; 32; 33; 80)

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So I've read a bunch of draft profiles online and watched some videos which basically makes me an expert ;) I've decided to look at our selections more in a "draft board" manner, as we don't really know who will be available at those picks. Have gone only with mids as that is the biggest weak spot on our list, but I'd love to see us pick up a project ruck in the rookie draft (pick 87 is reserved for whoever Hawthorn were planning to get)

Pick 11:
  • 1. Sam Petrevski-Seton (181cm, 74kg general midfielder/half-forward) Speedy half-forward/midfielder who loves to bring his teammates into the game and can use the ball well with both feet. Player comparison Daniel Wells, has the freakish ability to find a target in congestion, either by hand or foot.
  • 2. Tim Taranto (186cm, 82kg general midfielder/half-forward) Athletic forward that can play through the midfield. Very good in traffic, helped by his basketball background. Willing to give the ball off to teammates in better positions. Strong overhead mark means he has the ability to play deeper inside 50, where he has plenty of smarts and can hit the scoreboard.
  • 3. Daniel Venables (186cm, 81kg inside midfielder/half-forward) A powerful and smart user of the footy, Venables is an aggressive midfielder who can break through opposition tackles. Powerful burst from a stoppage and can hit the scoreboard. Yet to see a full complete game from him, as he’ll flash in and out of games. Venables is explosive, tough and quick, and powers himself at the contests before bursting away.
  • 4. Oliver Florent (183cm, 74kg outside midfielder/half-forward) Exciting half forward/outside midfielder. In his usual eye catching orange boots, Florent has X-Factor around the ball inside 50. Outside midfielder who is a capable overhead mark. Generally a good kick around the ground, but does have the ability to shank the odd kick on the run. Looks likely to start his AFL career as a half forward and push onto a wing. Has been compared to Andrew Gaff.
Picks 32,33:
  • 1. Cedric Cox (184cm, 70kg outside midfielder/half-back) Neat outside midfielder who can play at both ends of the ground. Looks best suited to half-back, where he can use his speed to burn off his opponents. Is a dual footed kicker and is willing to use both his left and right foot in any situation. Can fade in and out of games, and will take time to develop both in a physical and footballing sense.
  • 2. Zac Fisher (175cm, 65kg midfielder) The sharp West Australian on-baller averaged 21 disposals in four games at the championships, and was also ranked seventh across the division one carnival for clearances. He is short, but that hasn't stopped him from racking up the ball, using it well and then bolting to the next contest and getting it again. Fisher is quick with his hands, gets the ball moving and takes the game forward. Has been likened to Lachie Neale and I would back him to be a better player than Florent who many have us taking at 11, but he should still be there at 32 largely due to his height and slight frame.
  • 3. Jordan Gallucci (183cm, 76kg general midfielder) Gallucci brings some zip to the draft class. He can dash past opponents and get on the move in tight spots, and he enjoys taking a bounce and tucking the ball under his arm. A professional and dedicated prospect, the midfielder is Vic Metro's co-captain for the under-18 championships and leads by example.
  • 4. Joe Atley (186cm, 84kg inside midfielder) The younger brother of North Melbourne half-back Shaun, Atley is a different type of player. The Bendigo Pioneers captain is an inside ball-winning midfielder who burrows into contests and comes out with the footy in his hand. He's smart at stoppages and likes to feed the ball out. Has a good turn of speed and can accelerate away from opponents, as well as being a solid user of the ball.

    ...thoughts y'all?
Love your work however I see little point in putting SPS or Taranto on the list. Those guys wont make it to pick 11.
 

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Just looking through past drafts. Geez I hope we can pull an Adelaide in the 2002 Rookie draft. Picked up Nathan Bock and Ben Rutten, then Martin Mattner. Got their key backs for the best part of a decade from the Rookie draft, and nearly 600 games total (although Mattner player majority of his with Sydney) from 2nd, 3rd & 4th picks. Amazing.
 

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So I've read a bunch of draft profiles online and watched some videos which basically makes me an expert ;) I've decided to look at our selections more in a "draft board" manner, as we don't really know who will be available at those picks. Have gone only with mids as that is the biggest weak spot on our list, but I'd love to see us pick up a project ruck in the rookie draft (pick 87 is reserved for whoever Hawthorn were planning to get)

Pick 11:
  • 1. Sam Petrevski-Seton (181cm, 74kg general midfielder/half-forward) Speedy half-forward/midfielder who loves to bring his teammates into the game and can use the ball well with both feet. Player comparison Daniel Wells, has the freakish ability to find a target in congestion, either by hand or foot.
  • 2. Tim Taranto (186cm, 82kg general midfielder/half-forward) Athletic forward that can play through the midfield. Very good in traffic, helped by his basketball background. Willing to give the ball off to teammates in better positions. Strong overhead mark means he has the ability to play deeper inside 50, where he has plenty of smarts and can hit the scoreboard.
  • 3. Daniel Venables (186cm, 81kg inside midfielder/half-forward) A powerful and smart user of the footy, Venables is an aggressive midfielder who can break through opposition tackles. Powerful burst from a stoppage and can hit the scoreboard. Yet to see a full complete game from him, as he’ll flash in and out of games. Venables is explosive, tough and quick, and powers himself at the contests before bursting away.
  • 4. Oliver Florent (183cm, 74kg outside midfielder/half-forward) Exciting half forward/outside midfielder. In his usual eye catching orange boots, Florent has X-Factor around the ball inside 50. Outside midfielder who is a capable overhead mark. Generally a good kick around the ground, but does have the ability to shank the odd kick on the run. Looks likely to start his AFL career as a half forward and push onto a wing. Has been compared to Andrew Gaff.
Picks 32,33:
  • 1. Cedric Cox (184cm, 70kg outside midfielder/half-back) Neat outside midfielder who can play at both ends of the ground. Looks best suited to half-back, where he can use his speed to burn off his opponents. Is a dual footed kicker and is willing to use both his left and right foot in any situation. Can fade in and out of games, and will take time to develop both in a physical and footballing sense.
  • 2. Zac Fisher (175cm, 65kg midfielder) The sharp West Australian on-baller averaged 21 disposals in four games at the championships, and was also ranked seventh across the division one carnival for clearances. He is short, but that hasn't stopped him from racking up the ball, using it well and then bolting to the next contest and getting it again. Fisher is quick with his hands, gets the ball moving and takes the game forward. Has been likened to Lachie Neale and I would back him to be a better player than Florent who many have us taking at 11, but he should still be there at 32 largely due to his height and slight frame.
  • 3. Jordan Gallucci (183cm, 76kg general midfielder) Gallucci brings some zip to the draft class. He can dash past opponents and get on the move in tight spots, and he enjoys taking a bounce and tucking the ball under his arm. A professional and dedicated prospect, the midfielder is Vic Metro's co-captain for the under-18 championships and leads by example.
  • 4. Joe Atley (186cm, 84kg inside midfielder) The younger brother of North Melbourne half-back Shaun, Atley is a different type of player. The Bendigo Pioneers captain is an inside ball-winning midfielder who burrows into contests and comes out with the footy in his hand. He's smart at stoppages and likes to feed the ball out. Has a good turn of speed and can accelerate away from opponents, as well as being a solid user of the ball.

    ...thoughts y'all?
From what I've seen I think the club would be crazy not to consider Sam Powell-Pepper with any of their picks if he's still available. From what I've seen is built like a bull, has speed, agility, and appeared highly skilled and powerful by foot.
 

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http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-10-26/tomorrows-heroes-marshall-seeks-to-bowl-them-over

IT WAS only midway through last year that Todd Marshall looked set for a promising cricket career as he travelled through England bowling off-spin on a junior tour.

But the exciting key forward returned to Australia wanting to follow his football more seriously. He made a quick impression, booting three goals in each of his first three games for the Murray Bushrangers earlier this year.

He was doing it then as a member of Greater Western Sydney's academy zone, having hailed from Deniliquin in New South Wales. But his swift rise brought the ire of rival clubs, who questioned his involvement with the Giants' academy system.

The AFL investigated the issue and pulled him out of the academy due to a "registration issue", leaving him available to all clubs in the open draft. His form throughout the year fluctuated but he remains in the top group of prospects.


He's a tall forward, and they don't come around all that often at the top end of the draft. Marshall's agility and movement for a 196cm player is rare: he's exceptional when the ball hits the ground and is adept at grabbing it off his toes, spinning and kicking a goal.

One such example was in the Murray Bushrangers' Grand Final loss, when he gathered a ball at top pace, picked it up and kicked truly in a flash. It was a moment of brilliance that made recruiters look up and take notice.

Marshall was the best key forward in the division two championships for NSW-ACT, including a four-goal haul against Queensland, and he is a quality kick and shot for goal. The 18-year-old is trusty in front of goal and cleverly thinks through his shots. He was also among the best handful of players for forward 50 pressure acts in the division one carnival for the Allies.



Marshall was never really able to piece together a complete game this season, leaving recruiters to sift through moments rather than matches of dominance. In 11 games for the Bushrangers he kicked 22 goals this year, but never more than three in a game.

His quieter form for the Allies was also a disappointing patch for him, and showed he needs to get more of the ball. He averaged fewer than six disposals in his four appearances in division one, and fewer than 10 for the Bushrangers across the season.

Marshall is still lightly framed too, which can limit his marking one-on-one and force him to get most of his touches on the lead. The 197cm prospect is only 85kg, so will need to add some muscle to his frame over summer to be able to compete better in marking contests. Injuries and cricket commitments have limited his ability to have a full pre-season, however, so he hasn't had that chance yet.



It's difficult to compare anyone to star Gold Coast forward Tom Lynch, but he is the type of player Marshall should be aiming to become. At a similar size and shape (when Lynch was drafted), Marshall has plenty of growth left in him.



It's difficult to compare anyone to star Gold Coast forward Tom Lynch, but he is the type of player Marshall should be aiming to become. At a similar size and shape (when Lynch was drafted), Marshall has plenty of growth left in him.



Marshall is the best pure key forward in the pool, but there's still plenty of development to come in his game and make-up. He was sore towards the end of the season and battled injury, but if a club wants a tall forward to bring in, then Marshall would be first choice.

 

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Love your work however I see little point in putting SPS or Taranto on the list. Those guys wont make it to pick 11.
Atley was never going to make it to our pick.

Last year there was massive talk on here about Clarke not making it our first pick, reality is he made it to our second pick. As people were not expecting all the KPP to go so early.

All the Phantoms are great the only one worth reading is Emma Quayle'.
 

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Atley was never going to make it to our pick.

Last year there was massive talk on here about Clarke not making it our first pick, reality is he made it to our second pick. As people were not expecting all the KPP to go so early.

All the Phantoms are great the only one worth reading is Emma Quayle'.
She does her's a day or two before the draft and has a fair bit of information by then. Most of the early one's are an enjoyable read, but are 100% speculation and guess work at this point.

It only takes one team to go Marshall early and one to go English and all of a sudden who knows who's available at 11. GC have 4 picks inside 10. It is quite feasible that they may take a mix of mids and talls. But, I'm only guessing.
 

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I doubt either of Taranto or SPS gets to our pick, but it only takes English, Logue and Marshall going early and someone slides.

That being said, it is a draft crop that seems to have a clear top tier, of which we are just outside in terms of draft position.
 
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Atley was never going to make it to our pick.

Last year there was massive talk on here about Clarke not making it our first pick, reality is he made it to our second pick. As people were not expecting all the KPP to go so early.

All the Phantoms are great the only one worth reading is Emma Quayle'.
Yeah, I agree. While I can't see Taranto getting past Carlton or GC stranger things have happened. His trajectory is pretty similar to that of Sidebottom who played blinders in his last couple of games but still went outside of top ten in what was a weaker draft iirc.

If he goes past our pick though is when I will be taking my new Robbie Tarrant membership card, putting it in my microwave and then emailing the club for a replacement.
 

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Basti played 17 games in his last season at the club which suggests he was still thereabouts in regards B22. He was moved on due to a combination of structural, tpp and trade currency reasons.

Black + Harper were both B22 for a time however once their form tapered perhaps in part due to injury the were sucked into the dual alignment black hole and never heard from again. Black may have been a victim of Waite's recruitment to a certain extent also however having listened to his manager a few times I get the feeling he may have resented rather than embraced the challenge that the Waite inclusion provided.
We had a pretty good development relationship with both Werribee and North Ballarat, NB only hit the skids because AFL clubs poached all their decent players. TBH, I am not sure what we would do differently with a stand alone AFL club that we aren't doing atm. People suggest it is the VFL side, but if you develop a kid right they should dominate in the VFL irrespective how undesirable the situation is. Clarke dominated in the VFL. Dumont and Wood dominated in the VFL despite any perceived barriers.

There is something afoot, I don't think it is the VFL, I think players that are driven and talented will succeed irrespective of any perceived barriers, but as soon as anyone hits a snag or lacks that self-motivation, it is a hurdle that seems to be career-ending. We can't be a downhill skiing developing club, we need to get talented players into top grade consistent performers, even if they do not become elite.

I am not saying the club is at fault for duds not making the grade, but when kids do extremely well at AFL level there is some other problem with our development. We can get players up to mediocre, irrespective of their own limitations, but we have some severe problems in getting players past that threshold and staying there for any period of time of note.

Finally does anyone attribute any small part of the Dogs success this year to them going with a stand alone VFL team?
No. We have failed spectacularly even on players that never spent any period of note with either Werribee or North Ballarat.

I am seriously concerned about going back to the well with a bucket that has obvious holes in it. I am not optimistic of making it up the mountain with any water left in it. We need to fix the bucket before we go to the well.
 

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Anderson is an inside mid for mine however I can envisage us taking a Drew, Fisher or Scharenberg type with one of 32 or 33.
I really like Anderson's endeavour, but I am a little concerned that he hasn't shown much on-field other than that. I hope he comes good but we generally see more signs of what a player can do even well before their time, when Cunnington stunk as a fresh kid you could still see the signs of what he was capable of and could become. Hopefully with a better run at it, we will see more signs from Anderson next year.
 

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This draft has 'slider' written all over it. We were wise to hang onto pick 11.

A pure footballer rather than an athlete with potential is my preference.

We need to replace Daniel Wells somehow. This would have happened anyway within a few years but we need to do it now. With pick 11.
 

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http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-10-26/next-eddie-betts-dazzles-recruiters-at-wa-combine


SUBIACO product Liam Ryan is on the radar of a number of AFL clubs after dazzling recruiters with his performances throughout 2016.

Ryan, a high-flying forward who made the move from Geraldton to Perth less than a year ago, booted 40 goals in 16 games in the WAFL.

The 20-year-old possesses rare talent and those attributes were on show at the recent Western Australia State Combine.

Seventeen players were invited to take part in skills testing and Ryan's running vertical jump results (90cm off the left leg, 78 off the right leg) and 20m sprint time (2.92sec) further enhanced his draft prospects.

However, the exciting forward will have to markedly improve his beep test result (10.1) which was well below AFL standard, although the gruelling test was completed just half an hour after repeat sprint testing, making it tough to recover in time.

AFL talent Manager Kevin Sheehan described Ryan as a "special" player who had soared into draft contention after a standout season in his first year in the WAFL.

"He's got a few tricks, with his agility, power and great leap, that make him very elusive," Sheehan told AFL.com.au.

"He'll need to build his endurance but his strengths are in other areas. There's plenty of x-factor and something special about him.

"We want and need another Eddie Betts. don't we?"

AFL Academy prospect Noah Hura, from Peel Thunder, Claremont's Jeremy Goddard and East Fremantle's Luke Strnadica are other names to look out for from Western Australia in the national and rookie drafts next month.

Goddard is a competitive ruckman standing at 202cm and Strnadica is an excellent marking tall-forward type at 199cm, while Hura is regarded for his dash from half-back.

"They've all got some significant upside, so all three of those boys certainly have a chance," Sheehan said.
 

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We are in a great spot this draft, absolutely filled with mids and depth right up to our 2nd rounders.

Also would be worth keeping an eye on the moves of Sydney and GC, if Freo take English there is a solid chance that a run of talls follows, i.e. Logue to Swans and Marshall to GC. If this happens I reckon one of SPS, Scrimshaw or Taranto may slip to 11, which would be massive.

This becomes even more likely if there's a late bolter, as there usually is, i.e Clayton Oliver & Nakia Cockatoo. I reckon this year one team is gonna fall in love with the physical attributes of Powell-Pepper and he'll rocket into the top 10.

If we use our second rounders well and nail our pick at 11, this could be a monumental draft for us. I'd be ecstatic if we walked away with the following:

Pick 11: Any of SPS/Taranto/Scrimshaw/Florent
Pick 32: Zac Fisher
Pick 33: Joe Atley
 
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I love this time of year. No idea what the club will do but I would like something like this
4 draft picks
3 rookie picks
Would think we need another ruck on the list probably rookie with Pruess being upgraded (Olango, Goddard)
A KPD ready to go would definitely fill a need. (Brown?)
A pure small forward (Rioli?) Silky, quick can take a mark and most importantly can kick goals when it counts
Use our first 3 picks on the best mids available, preferably ones that compliment our list.
 
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