2016 Non-Crows AFL Discussion - Cont. in Part 2 (link in OP)

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And one other thing - Port Adelaide will have to accept this week that finals are out of the question for 2016. They can blame whoever and whatever they like, but they're almost definitely not going to make up two games and percentage with nine games to go.

...which means they've got one last thing to play for this year: Round 22, August 20th, Home Showdown v Adelaide, 7pm.

Up to this we've got Norf (H), Melbourne (A), Carlton (A), Collingwood (H)Geelong(A), Essendon (H), Brisbane (H), Fremantle (A).

I count probably 6 or 7 wins in that. With the rest of the draw, I suspect we'll be fighting for top four at that stage, and I reckon they will put everything they've got into getting right for this one match.

Currently it's 21-19 Port's way - and it's almost the last thing they have to pretend they're relevant. Wil be a huge match, and a must-win for us.
According to Ruc we've got a 'dream draw' the rest of the way which I don't think is true. There are 6 tough games in there. We could potentially win all of them but they'll still be tough games.
 

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Just read Ruccis mid season report on us....what a flog. Even when he gives us a compliment it's in a back handed way. He said good things about Pyke but then says 'there is the question of whether he can sell his club and promote the game!. Lol. Still having hissy fits because the Crows don't give him what he wants.

Also mentions Crows are number 1 in the comp for using the least amount of players because of our small injury list.

****** of the highest form.
It's fair lame but for the sake of decent journalism in this state I think the advertiser actually has to recruit a failed journalist from interstate who will at least be neutral
 

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According to Ruc we've got a 'dream draw' the rest of the way which I don't think is true. There are 6 tough games in there. We could potentially win all of them but they'll still be tough games.
According to ruc , the pear are the equal of us as a club , if not better. So we need not listen to his bullshit , the ******* campaigner. :)
 

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They are more or less stuck in a positon now where they desperately need to keep attracting numbers through the gate. The club has fired too many salvos our way over the last few years that they can't afford for it to blow up their face, so they will keep "never giving up" and finish 9th again because they know that it will be a PR disaster for the club if the attendances dramatically fall away.

As for Hinkley I am fairly positive that the club will continue to use excuses to try and save face because Hinkley has been used as the lynchpin of their marketing for the last three years. There is no way that they can turn around and acknowledge him as a failure because it means that the message the club has been sending the supporters for the last three years has also been a failure. I honestly think that Hinkley will coach next year, but the club will remove all traces of him in their marketing as they gradually prepare for his exit as coach, which I imagine will be done under the premise of it being a "mutual decision ".
Yup... Next year's marketing will be the marquee players they plan to keep after the purge...

Didn't realise we're still 2 behind the ******s. Mind you I gave up giving a flying rats toss bag about the Showdown count years ago.
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What trade value do they have?

  • Ebert, Carlile, Lobbe, Trengove, Boak, Hoff, Robbie Gray, Hartlett - All on inflated contracts in terms of $ and length. No other clubs will touch these guys.
  • White, Schulz, Monfries - Old and body broken
  • Ryder, Dixon, Polec - Aint going anywhere are the "Destination Club" brigade.
  • Hombsch, Wines, Wingard - Three guys every club would take, but untouchables. The best three players at the club right now.
  • Mitchell, Coulqhoun, Butcher, Stewart, O'Shea. Not AFL standard players. Should be delisted.
  • Guys like Aamon, Toumpas, Ah Chee, Jonas, Neade no other club would want.
  • Unkonwns, Snelling, Palmer, Austin, Dougal, Bonner etc.


The three players that are the most enticing for other clubs are probably Impey Young and Darcy Jones. And they are 2nd/3rd rounders at best.



When you break up their list in terms of trade value they are screwed in terms of churning players to imporve their list.
They've essentially snookered themselves into a flag or bust position with their list by making some poor list management decisions.

They're pretty much maxed out with their cap by chasing Ryder and Dixon and signing guys like Hartlett etc to long term deals. They're now in a position where they have little to no room to budge in the cap and have pretty much banked everything on winning a premiership with this group. If they don't win something in the next couple of years there is going to be some very dark times ahead.

The big problem that will be looming for Port is that they've traded away three years worth of first round picks as well as their 2nd round pick this year and have done nothing to replace them which is going to leave them with a massive black hole in their list. If Port were smart they would have traded Hartlett for a high first round pick last year while he had value, he is massively overrated and has never lived up to his potential. Rather than move him on Hinkley is too scared to make a big call so rather than trade him they signed him for a further six years.

The other big question is with the guy that I consider to be a massive flight risk, Ollie Wines. He has said before that he wanted to stay at Port because they were on the cusp of success so what happens if Port continue to miss the finals and begin to bottom out ? If Port have not won a flag by 2018 and are potentially looking like bottoming out I can't see him staying.

The clock is ticking and given the age of their players I think they have next year and maybe 2018 before they're going to be in some serious trouble with their list.
 

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Just read Ruccis mid season report on us....what a flog. Even when he gives us a compliment it's in a back handed way. He said good things about Pyke but then says 'there is the question of whether he can sell his club and promote the game!. Lol. Still having hissy fits because the Crows don't give him what he wants.

Also mentions Crows are number 1 in the comp for using the least amount of players because of our small injury list.

****** of the highest form.
Best win is a tie between the showdown and beating west coast in Perth.

Riiiiiiite.

As good as it is to flog those campaigners, beating the shithouse 10th side is nowhere near the best win of the season.
 

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Schulz will go. Carlile, Monfries, Lobbe a host of no name spuds. They can free up space if need be. They can't trade for players they need to trade for picks to replenish their kids on base salary. The Magpies look like a Div 6 Ammo outfit.

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Carlile is contracted until 2017, Monfries has been given a new deal for 2017 and Lobbe is contracted until 2019. Unless they can trade them they are stuck with their salary for next year.

They may be able to move Lobbe on, but as Geoffa said you would be lucky to get a second rounder for him. Monfries and Carlile will have no interest from opposition clubs.
 

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Carlile is contracted until 2017, Monfries has been given a new deal for 2017 and Lobbe is contracted until 2019. Unless they can trade them they are stuck with their salary for next year.

They may be able to move Lobbe on, but as Geoffa said you would be lucky to get a second rounder for him. Monfries and Carlile will have no interest from opposition clubs.
Maybe Richmond?
 

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According to Ruc we've got a 'dream draw' the rest of the way which I don't think is true. There are 6 tough games in there. We could potentially win all of them but they'll still be tough games.
What I bet Rucci fails to mention is that our draw is easier because we had the toughest opening 12 game draw out of any side in the AFL.

Looking ahead we pretty much have 1 game which is a guaranteed loss (Geelong), but every other game is a 50/50 or better. If we can beat North on Thursday night there is no reason why we shouldn't be able to go on and win at least 15 games.
 
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I remember when it was us making fun of you guys cause your season was over in June just a few years ago.....oh how the wheel turns :(
The funny thing is, is that most of your supporters still carry on about how the Power are still so much better than the Crows even after they put up soft performance after poor performance.

And now, club legends come out with the injury excuse, and the President retweets it! You couldn't write this even if you tried.

They all believed their own hype, when the fact is, they're just. Not. That. Good.

PAFC is imploding all by themselves and it is magnificent to watch!



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One thing I am willing to be bet will be overlooked by Kane Cornes and Rucci is Port's recent history of embarrassing loses in games that they should easily win.

2010 they lost to an 0-9 Richmond side at AAMI in their 140 year birthday game
2011 Gold Coast win their first AFL game by beating Port at AAMI after being 5 goals down
2012 the GWS loss
2013 losing to the 2-7 Bulldogs in Darwin
2015 Brisbane and Carlton
2016 Fremantle
 

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What I bet Rucci fails to mention is that our draw is easier because we had the toughest opening 12 game draw out of any side in the AFL.

Looking ahead we pretty much have 1 game which is a possible loss (Geelong-70/30), but every other game is a 70/30 or better. If we can beat North on Thursday night there is no reason why we shouldn't be able to go on and win at least 15 games.
FTFY
 

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A recap of some tasty little moments from yesterdays loss.
Port Pear have lost to teams who were 2-7, 1-8 and 2-10 the week before the bye in the last 4 years:eek::D:thumbsu::rainbow: #portadelaidefootball
This was the best one and why the tarps will be out. Front row fans back seat critics

Didn't watch a minute. Glad i didn't. May not bother again this season. Actually have better things to do with my life i reckon than bother with this mob. Really enjoyed not watching today.
 

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I love the post about Vossy being bitter about 2004 and bringing the club down from within.





Come to think of it, this claim could have some legs. Given Vossy only got the job as his best mate Shaun Hart is their Football Director. Maybe both of these guys have been working together to bring Port down for ruining the Lions fourpeat of 2004.
The thing is despite not having a ruckman they are winning clearances.

The issue with their midfield is they don't work hard enough and are not good enough. They are lazy. That's not Voss's fault.
 

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What point is he even trying to make? Record membership numbers and the #2 crowds on average, what exactly do we need the coach out there selling and promoting? Or is he just getting pissy because Pyke doesn't fall for Ruccis tactics and won't make grandiose statements that Rucci can keep in his pocket and throw back at the club later?
I know a great way to sell your club, it's not a sing along, a March, slogans, having a dick as your president, it's called playing exciting football and winning games.
 

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Just read Ruccis mid season report on us....what a flog. Even when he gives us a compliment it's in a back handed way. He said good things about Pyke but then says 'there is the question of whether he can sell his club and promote the game!. Lol. Still having hissy fits because the Crows don't give him what he wants.

Also mentions Crows are number 1 in the comp for using the least amount of players because of our small injury list.

****** of the highest form.
Why would you do that?
 

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The thing is despite not having a ruckman they are winning clearances.

The issue with their midfield is they don't work hard enough and are not good enough. They are lazy. That's not Voss's fault.
I would love to see a stat that shows percentage of clearances won that result in a positive play. Their guys may be getting the ball out of the pack, but does it go to their advantage or is a turnover caused straight after.

I believe they are one of the worst teams for turnovers.


Remember when Sando used to talk about winning clearances and contested ball.........
 
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