List Mgmt. 2016 Potential Draft Picks

[Fyfe2Shenton]

I also doubt that you will take a project player like Marshall with so much short-term job security at stake as well.

 

[Macca19]

So what this means is Marshall at 31 is possible. Wow.

He went at 19 in that phantom

 

[rumoursofwinter]

I also doubt that you will take a project player like Marshall with so much short-term job security at stake as well.

Why would we take battle when he has less upside and is staying in Victoria for schooling next year? Makes no sense.

 

[Fyfe2Shenton]

FWIW, an ITK on the Saints Board says the club is hearing that Marshall is very likely to last to us at pick 23.

No guarantees, but he has a very good track record, and I highly doubt you will take Marshall at pick 14.

 

[rumoursofwinter]

why would we take a half back flank with pick 17 when there is genuine talent available in areas we need? mock shmock.

 

[Fyfe2Shenton]

Why would we take battle when he has less upside and is staying in Victoria for schooling next year? Makes no sense.

That is the spanner in the works.

I suspect that he will discontinue his studies if he is picked by an interstate club. You might not be interested in Battle (perhaps you are hoping like hell that Hayward lasts to your pick?), but I am confident you won't select Marshall.

 

[shewho]

why?

according to Champion Data, they rank Battle at 14 and Marshall at 29, Marshall had a poor second half of the year, they think there's a massive differential between his best and worst

Now I'm a big fan of the CD rankings- they predicted the impact that Caleb Daniel would have for starters. But you have to understand how they work to use their data properly:

1. It is based on performances, not potential- so they take no account of facts like Marshall has only played serious footy for a couple of years, that he had virtually no preseason due to elite cricket commitments etc. His TAC Cup coach told recruiters during the year that his lack of preseason meant he was "cooked" in the later part of the year- another fact irrelevant to CD.

2. It takes account of the position they play (ranking key forwards against each other) but not how their game may translate into AFL- so it was irrelevant to CD that Battle is only 192cm and tested very poorly in some aspects of physical testing and irrelevant that Marshall is 198cm and has the physical profile of an elite Key forward at AFL level, even if it hasn't yet translated to performance.

When you understand this, and when you understand how remarkable it is that Marshall is the second best performed key forward in the draft pool (according to CD) given where he has come from, the contest between he and Battle is no Battle. The only reason we would go Battle over Marshall would be for a quick fix to save Kenny's bacon because Battle is more likely to get more games next year.

 

[x_les_x]

Think battle isnt the one who we were going to pick at 9 thats way too high; i wouldnt be outraged if we got him at 17; thats probably the last pick we have until he becomes unavaliable. All this talk about his combine results:
Repeat sprint: 27.00
20m: 3.08
Agilty: 9.07
Beep 13.7
3k:10.07

Better than kerr, better than mutch in 3k, 20m. Better than b cox in beep and 3k. 0.03 off cox's 20m. Still waiting on other results :
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2016/11/14/top-50-prospects-for-2016-afl-draft-26-50/

For an underage kid, with the runs on the board he already has. I can see why we would want to pick him up; hes not going to be burning players off on the lead but once he gets taught how to use his tank effectively i think he can be a good player. If hes not going to be a key so be it. we need a bloke who can mark the footy and kick straight not one or the other and battle can do both quite well

 

[rumoursofwinter]

Battle has said he is staying in Victoria to study. He repeated prep or something? Said something about Dangerfield situation. Long term.

I'm not fussed if we don't take Marshall with our early picks but battle makes no sense. If we want an immediate impact we will go for someone like Powell pepper.

 

[powermacs]

why?

according to Champion Data, they rank Battle at 14 and Marshall at 29, Marshall had a poor second half of the year, they think there's a massive differential between his best and worst

I'm not following this as close as most but not sure why people wouldn't want battle form the few times I've watched him. Good mark and kick who knows where the goals are. Why would people say Marshall has a higher ceiling? if Battle did test poorly at the combine that would suggest he also has a lot of improvement in him.

 

[mic59]

Still seems to be quite a bit of time for some of the draftees who were named top 10 to slide. Quite a few official and unofficial phantom drafts now have English outside the top 10 when some early ones were saying he wouldn't survive past Freo's first pick. Even if somehow he falls to us I can't see him being picked up by Port.
Callum Twomey's 2015 phantom draft was very close to 100% accurate but it is made just before the draft so we don't have that information yet. The other one that can be trusted, Paige Cardona's phantom draft was only out by a significant distance on 4 first round predictions.
In 2015 Rhys Mathieson was to go at 8 and he went at 39, Harley Balic was to go at 20 and he went at 38 and Riley Bonner was to go at 19 and he went at 37. Three who went much higher than expected were Callum Ah Chee who was predicted to go at 15 and he went 7, Brayden Fiorini who Paige put at 33 but was selected at 20 and Tom Doedee who was not even in Paige's top 50 but went at 17.

 

[Macca19]

Think battle isnt the one who we were going to pick at 9 thats way too high; i wouldnt be outraged if we got him at 17; thats probably the last pick we have until he becomes unavaliable. All this talk about his combine results:
Repeat sprint: 27.00
20m: 3.08
Agilty: 9.07
Beep 13.7
3k:10.07


Better than kerr, better than mutch in 3k, 20m. Better than b cox in beep and 3k. 0.03 off cox's 20m.

Listing raw numbers means nothing without the comparitive figures.

- His repeat sprint was the worst recorded at combine

- His 20m was bottom 30%. Better than Mutch doesnt mean much (pardon the pun) as Mutch recorded the 2nd worst 20m time.

- His agility was the 2nd worst recorded.

 

[PepeSilvia]

I also doubt that you will take a project player like Marshall with so much short-term job security at stake as well.

This is stupid, and if our recruiting team were using the same logic, I'd want them all sacked.

The draft (at least the first couple of rounds) is not for short term 'fixing'.

 

[shewho]

I'm not following this as close as most but not sure why people wouldn't want battle form the few times I've watched him. Good mark and kick who knows where the goals are. Why would people say Marshall has a higher ceiling? if Battle did test poorly at the combine that would suggest he also has a lot of improvement in him.

If they haven't got the speed and agility by 18, they may never get it- Harvey and Sellars come to mind in an instant. Battle has primed himself as a 3 km expert. He made a point of training for this and winning it at the Academy, I think. He's no fat school kid you can transform, so average agility and beep tests are a worry.

He may be able to get marks on the lead at Under 18s, but having the speed and agility to do that at AFL level is another thing all together.

 

[PepeSilvia]

I want Marshall at 17 (calculated risk to get the best mid available with 14).

If we can't get Marshall, I'd wait until 30/31 and would take Cox over Battle.

If we can't get Cox, I'd be happy with us drafting a ****load of midfielders.

 

[scottjr]

Josh Battle is a lumbering third tall but who knows. Maybe we see him as a mid? He's not the answer to our forward problem. Out of left field what if we grab Battle as a mid and Marshall as well.

http://m.afl.com.au/news/2016-08-03/josh-winning-the-battle-for-draft-credibility

"He has elite endurance, very strong above his head and then very good at ground level like Hawthorn's Jack Gunston.

"He's very creative up the field as well and I think he could evolve into a big-bodied midfielder.

"Last year his training was pretty inconsistent, but now he could train quite comfortably with an AFL squad because that's how professional he's become over the past 12 months.

 

[Portia]

Would rather draft four legit mids, maybe rookie Tom Charlton for a leadup forward punt

 

[Popielnicki]

Im not sure Kangaroos pick Scrimshaw over Florent and Crows may have a choice between Hayward and Scrimshaw then pick 14 becomes a easy choice Hayward/Scrimshaw

 

[PatientMental]

I have a feeling we'll be targeting 2nd and 3rd talls and outside mids this draft.

 

[Needs Gravy]

I also doubt that you will take a project player like Marshall with so much short-term job security at stake as well.

i get you want a situation where the player you want is available with your pick but the only way we should be passing on Marshall is because we are taking two mids with our first picks.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Marshall >> Battle . Marshall way more upside , wait until he does pre seasons

FWIW I think you will end up with Marshall and Witherden

Hayward being the smoky if he gets through to either of your first 2 picks ( has to get past us )

Witherden could be the steal of the draft and good ball user will be handy

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Im not sure Kangaroos pick Scrimshaw over Florent and Crows may have a choice between Hayward and Scrimshaw then pick 14 becomes a easy choice Hayward/Scrimshaw

would be completely shocked if scrimshaw gets past kangas pick - absolute class player

 

[missionpossible]

Josh Battle is a lumbering third tall but who knows. Maybe we see him as a mid? He's not the answer to our forward problem. Out of left field what if we grab Battle as a mid and Marshall as well.

http://m.afl.com.au/news/2016-08-03/josh-winning-the-battle-for-draft-credibility

"He has elite endurance, very strong above his head and then very good at ground level like Hawthorn's Jack Gunston.

"He's very creative up the field as well and I think he could evolve into a big-bodied midfielder.

"Last year his training was pretty inconsistent, but now he could train quite comfortably with an AFL squad because that's how professional he's become over the past 12 months.

Gunstan and Battle . Could not be further apart. At 18s Gunstan was a great contested mark. I am not sure i have ever seen gunstan take a contested mark in front.

 

[snozulu]

Marshall >> Battle . Marshall way more upside , wait until he does pre seasons

FWIW I think you will end up with Marshall and Witherden

Hayward being the smoky if he gets through to either of your first 2 picks ( has to get past us )

Witherden could be the steal of the draft and good ball user will be handy

Witherden could easily end up being a top class mid imo

 

[missionpossible]

You guys are pulling my chain every time you say we should pick him at 14.