List Mgmt. 2016 Potential Draft Picks

[philthy05]

My point is we are going to be paying a guy big money to run around in the state league who's been terrible for 2 years, we arent going to lose if we take a guy that's ready made for AFL and will come at the qtr of a cost of Lobbe.

But hey let's run the risk of playing Ryder who's been out for 12 months and hope he plays 22 games because our 2016 ruck experience worked really well.

A)

You said we should draft Cameron becuase he would be or is a better player than lobbe.

That is clearly wrong.

B)

I don't know what this following argument is. You are claiming he would be better as a cheaper option but that is irrelevant as we cannot add him and cancel out what we are paying Lobbe.

C)

How is me disagreeing with your assertion that Cameron is a better player than lobbe and therefore we should drsft him equate to the sky falling down?

We had a ruck suspended , another injured and out of form , and frampton was injured and/or not ready yet. And we still had Trengove who I would pick in ruck before Cameron.

Panic drafting is stupid drafting.

 

[Check-Raise !]

Marshall looks like the kind of player we would not be able to develop properly.

I tend to agree with this sentiment, especially around our key forwards. I'd like to see Tredders come in and help (coach) some of these kids out for a bit.

 

[Check-Raise !]

I'm really hoping that we hear at least 2 names read out that we've never ever heard of (think Tom Doedee) prior to our first pick. This should then leave some very nice picks to be had by us.

 

[Schulzenfest]

My point is we are going to be paying a guy big money to run around in the state league who's been terrible for 2 years, we arent going to lose if we take a guy that's ready made for AFL and will come at the qtr of a cost of Lobbe.

But hey let's run the risk of playing Ryder who's been out for 12 months and hope he plays 22 games because our 2016 ruck experience worked really well.

This logic is sound if we had the option of getting rid of Lobbe and replacing him with Cameron, but we don't. Given that we're stuck with him as our depth ruck, we should at least make the best of that situation by not utilising a valuable list spot on a second depth ruck.

 

[Portmanteau]

Like your Gourdis, Sibosado, Marsh etc.

I guess the difference is that Marshall has been talked up highly all year and fallen away at the end. Whereas these guys were the opposite, they all got talked up after some exceptional combine results.

Yeah Marsh was one I was thinking of. That was definitely the annual tradition of the breakout combine performer being overrated on BigFooty.

Could also include the likes of Sellar and Brodie Grundy, although that was more of being a perceived high pick (amongst lay people) and sliding to late first round.

 

[snozulu]

If we pick him up... Take him straight to massive joes;

https://massivejoes.com/shop/bpi-bulk-muscle

This is the place to be for fast muscle gains or

 

[Sleezy]

Yeah Marsh was one I was thinking of. That was definitely the annual tradition of the breakout combine performer being overrated on BigFooty.

Could also include the likes of Sellar and Brodie Grundy, although that was more of being a perceived high pick (amongst lay people) and sliding to late first round.

Don't forget Reece McKenzie - bf loved him, slipped to 76.

 

[Honeyboy Wilson]

Is the Marsh we're talking about Jonathon Marsh?

Because if so, he was highly rated as a top 20 pick earlier in the year, then performances in the back end of the year had him sliding. His combine performances were always expected, because he was one of the fastest 192cm players anyone had seen.

His sliding was surprising and yet, he would have been a much better pick higher up than a lot of other players that year. Collingwood got value with getting him with the final pick in the draft (discounting rookie upgrades).

Edit: I may be wrong with my memory on that, but I remember wanting him from mid-year onwards.

 

[Interstater]

Potentially a dumb question because I don't understand how this works, but are we now in a position to bid on top 10 players from academies/father sons.

There is talk that Hawthorn may be able to pick as high as pick 66 (rather than 88) by doing this, does that mean we can also (but in the top 10).

As I said, I don't get how this works.

 

[Chrizzt]

Potentially a dumb question because I don't understand how this works, but are we now in a position to bid on top 10 players from academies/father sons.

There is talk that Hawthorn may be able to pick as high as pick 66 (rather than 88) by doing this, does that mean we can also (but in the top 10).

As I said, I don't get how this works.

Not sure where you got that Hawthorn tidbit from?

In this current system you can only bid for a F/S or academy pick when it is your pick. If the club matches, their following pick moves up to that current pick number, effectively shifting the first club's pick down 1.

E.g. Essendon bid on Bowes with pick 1 > GC match, shifting their pick 4 up to pick 1 > GC's following pick is shifted from 6, down a few spots to make up the points difference between 1 and 4 > Essendon get to pick "again" who now goes at pick 2

 

[Macca19]

Potentially a dumb question because I don't understand how this works, but are we now in a position to bid on top 10 players from academies/father sons.

There is talk that Hawthorn may be able to pick as high as pick 66 (rather than 88) by doing this, does that mean we can also (but in the top 10).

As I said, I don't get how this works.

Their pick 88 won't end up as 88 I'd imagine, meaning their won't be 87 players picked before their first pick. We'll see a couple of teams pass with picks before then and if GWS see a lot of earlyish bids for their players, then all those 2nd & 3rd round picks they have may be eaten up. So it's possible their first pick could end up being around the 70th 'live' pick so to speak. But, this all changes again if Jarman chooses Hawthorn and a bid comes in for him before their first pick.

Chrizzt explained our situation. You can't bid until its your pick. So the first time we can bid on a player will be pick 14.

 

[FallingLiefs]

Is the Marsh we're talking about Jonathon Marsh?

Because if so, he was highly rated as a top 20 pick earlier in the year, then performances in the back end of the year had him sliding. His combine performances were always expected, because he was one of the fastest 192cm players anyone had seen.

His sliding was surprising and yet, he would have been a much better pick higher up than a lot of other players that year. Collingwood got value with getting him with the final pick in the draft (discounting rookie upgrades).

Edit: I may be wrong with my memory on that, but I remember wanting him from mid-year onwards.

this was pretty much the case, great pick up for the pies regardless making some good in roads as a CHB.

i was number 1 fan early days but he never really put together a game even though when you watched him he was easily the player you were drawn to. CHB makes a lot of sense for a bloke with all that raw talent. wouldn't shock if he moved positions again once he learnt how to football

 

[longdonkey]

Potentially a dumb question because I don't understand how this works, but are we now in a position to bid on top 10 players from academies/father sons.

There is talk that Hawthorn may be able to pick as high as pick 66 (rather than 88) by doing this, does that mean we can also (but in the top 10).

As I said, I don't get how this works.

I think the scenario you are talking about is what Hawthorn have set up.

If Jarman nominates Hawthorn as his father/son club and say for instance another club bids for Jarman at 66, Hawthorn can still match the bid with Pick 88 and then go into a negative points situation for next year. So even though Hawthorn only hold Pick 88 they still pick Jarman at 66. That sound right?

 

[Chrizzt]

I think the scenario you are talking about is what Hawthorn have set up.

If Jarman nominates Hawthorn as his father/son club and say for instance another club bids for Jarman at 66, Hawthorn can still match the bid with Pick 88 and then go into a negative points situation for next year. So even though Hawthorn only hold Pick 88 they still pick Jarman at 66. That sound right?

Yes that would be the case, forgot that Jarman hadn't decided yet.

 

[Young Gun #6]

Xavier Richards in the pre season anyone ?

 

[Interstater]

Ok thanks.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-10-27/close-to-80-live-picks-expected-at-next-months-nab-afl-draft

"Hawthorn's first pick is listed at No.88, the selection they gained as part of the trade that sent champion midfielder Sam Mitchell to West Coast.

However, that pick may become around No.66 after early bids on academy prospects and some father-son bids are matched by rivals. This will wipe out later selections used to 'pay' for the nominated players with draft points and see the fluid order change throughout the night."

 

[MALTSY]

A good insight into this kid.
Marshall oozes confidence in his abilities but is aware enough to realise that he hasn't yet played a dominant 4qtr game - which is a bit of a worry.
If you cant dominate in the under 18s when will you?
I would be very happy if we pick him up - signs of brilliance but a risk just the same.

I think the fact he recognises his need to play 4 quarters is comforting. He has only recently focused on AFL and had limited pre-season, so he has plenty of upside in my opinion. He reminds me so much of GC's Lynch.

 

[Sleezy]

Have heard from a reliable source* that we are heavily into Sam Powell-Pepper.

*some random pm'd me out of the blue to tell me this. Has not replied when pressed for more detail.

#stillmoreaccuratethanthetradewhisperer

 

[Zakk Wylde]

Have heard from a reliable source* that we are heavily into Sam Powell-Pepper.

*some random pm'd me out of the blue to tell me this. Has not replied when pressed for more detail.

#stillmoreaccuratethanthetradewhisperer

I'm all over this kid now. Has definitely grown on me.

Size and explosiveness are quality traits.

 

[Dave Omsby]

I'm ok with Marshall , I'd like one forward Marshall if he's still there at 14 would probably have to be our first pick if we're keen .
Don't mind the looks of Battle , Kerr or Hayward look good too. But I'd take a mid with our second pick at the latest .

 

[Sleezy]

I'm all over this kid now. Has definitely grown on me.

Size and explosiveness are quality traits.

I like the sound of him too. Here's hoping my friend is as reliable as i made him out to be!

 

[PepeSilvia]

Watching this video was a mistake.

 

[Check-Raise !]

Watching this video was a mistake.

Damn you, i was about to say nah this was from 2015 and his other highlights from 2016 show a different player a bit like Dustin Martin who 'really takes it on and loves to run' but then i thought a little like...... O'Shea .

I do think he has a lot of upside though and would definitely love to see him picked but it would have to be 17 or 19 as would not be there post 30. He's my wish for this draft.

 

[Macca19]

He's improved a lot. Lots of great players were nowhere as a 17 year old. Look at McLuggage last year for example. Ollie Wines was another.

SPP will never be a clean footballer, but you probably don't want him to be either.

 

[PepeSilvia]

Lol I totally missed 2015 in the title. Oops!