List Mgmt. 2016 Potential Draft Picks

[PAFC27]

Kym Lebois will be a freak, played with him at maggies for 3 or so years. Wingard-esqe.

 

[Enviable Tradition]

If you look at all our ruckmen and compare them to other teams you will see all of our ruckmen are about 10kg too light and about 3 - 6cm too small. we have

Ryder who is 196cm / 92kg
Lobbe who is 200cm / 97kg
Frampton who is 200cm / 89kg
Howard who is 199cm / 92kg
Hoff who is 199cm / 94kg
Trengove who is 197cm / 94kg

and they are coming up against ruckmen like this:-

Crows - Jacobs who is 202cm / 102kg, Jenkins 199cm / 107kg & Lowden 206cm / 103kg
Lions - S. Martin who is 197cm / 105kg, Phillips 201cm / 100kg
Blues - Kreuzer who is 200cm / 103kg
Colling - Grundy who is 203cm /102kg, Witts 209cm / 111kg, Cox 211kg / 110kg
Essen - Bellchambers who is 202cm / 106kg, Leuenberger 203cm / 103kg
Freo - Sandilands who is 211cm / 119kg, Clarke 203cm / 97kg & Griffen 201kg / 101kg
Cats - Smith who is 206cm / 105kg, Clarke 200cm / 103kg
Suns - Currie 201cm / 99kg, Nicholls 203cm / 102kg
GWS - Mumford 197cm / 107kg, Lobb 206cm / 102kg & Simpson 210cm / 110kg
Hawks - McEvoy 200cm / 102kg, Ceglar 204cm / 98kg & Pittonet 202kg / 101kg
Melb - Gawn 208cm / 111kg, Spencer 203cm / 108kg
Roos - Goldstein 201cm / 103kg & Brown 200cm / 101kg
Tigers - Maric 200cm / 102kg & Hampson 201cm / 106kg
Saints - Longer 202cm / 103kg & Hickey 201cm / 94kg
Swans - Tippett 202cm / 108kg, Nankervis 199cm / 106kg & Sinclair 200cm / 99kg
Eagles - Nic Nat 201cm / 105kg, Lycett 203cm / 103kg & Giles 201cm / 101kg
Dogs - Campbell 200cm / 104kg, Roughead 200cm / 99kg & Minson 199cm / 106kg

now Ryder, Howard & Trengove all have the leap but they don't have the strength to go body on body with someone who is over 100kg of muscle. All 3 would need to put on at least 5kg of muscle

in 2014 Lobbe could go body on body but the last 2 years now he is finding it difficult with all these new ruckmen who are taller and heavier than him. he would need to put on 7 - 10kg of muscle and be like Mumford

Frampton needs to put on about 15kg of muscle so he can have the strength to go body on body with some of the heavier ruckmen.
If we sometimes use Hoff as a ruckman next year then some how he will need to put on at least 5kg

so in the draft if we go for a ruckman it will have to be someone over 200cm and around 100kg + some one like:-
Jordan Sweet (SA – RUC) 203cm - 105kg
Jeremy Goddard (WA – RUC) - 202cm 97kg
Peter Ladhams (SA – RUC) - 202cm 90kg

or the other options is to get a couple of young developing 20yr old, 205cm+/ 100kg Americans and give them 3 years or so with the magpies

Those really are damning numbers.

We really are out of step with every other team in the league.

P.s. I am surprised Lobbe is that light

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[Macca19]

Not sure Graham is going to be a first round lock.

 

[philthy05]

Not sure Graham is going to be a first round lock.

Possibly. The group outside the top 3-5 players seems to be anyone could go anywhere depending on what team picks where. I haven't seen vision of graham playing yet but I love guys who produce big numbers in champs consistently. sounds like an all rounder player without a standout attribute, but I am also not hearing about weaknesses either? If a guy can rack up 30 possies repeatedly in the champs I think that will translate to afl. Wish we had a 2nd rounder.

 

[philthy05]

If you look at all our ruckmen and compare them to other teams you will see all of our ruckmen are about 10kg too light and about 3 - 6cm too small. we have

Ryder who is 196cm / 92kg
Lobbe who is 200cm / 97kg
Frampton who is 200cm / 89kg
Howard who is 199cm / 92kg
Hoff who is 199cm / 94kg
Trengove who is 197cm / 94kg

and they are coming up against ruckmen like this:-

Crows - Jacobs who is 202cm / 102kg, Jenkins 199cm / 107kg & Lowden 206cm / 103kg
Lions - S. Martin who is 197cm / 105kg, Phillips 201cm / 100kg
Blues - Kreuzer who is 200cm / 103kg
Colling - Grundy who is 203cm /102kg, Witts 209cm / 111kg, Cox 211kg / 110kg
Essen - Bellchambers who is 202cm / 106kg, Leuenberger 203cm / 103kg
Freo - Sandilands who is 211cm / 119kg, Clarke 203cm / 97kg & Griffen 201kg / 101kg
Cats - Smith who is 206cm / 105kg, Clarke 200cm / 103kg
Suns - Currie 201cm / 99kg, Nicholls 203cm / 102kg
GWS - Mumford 197cm / 107kg, Lobb 206cm / 102kg & Simpson 210cm / 110kg
Hawks - McEvoy 200cm / 102kg, Ceglar 204cm / 98kg & Pittonet 202kg / 101kg
Melb - Gawn 208cm / 111kg, Spencer 203cm / 108kg
Roos - Goldstein 201cm / 103kg & Brown 200cm / 101kg
Tigers - Maric 200cm / 102kg & Hampson 201cm / 106kg
Saints - Longer 202cm / 103kg & Hickey 201cm / 94kg
Swans - Tippett 202cm / 108kg, Nankervis 199cm / 106kg & Sinclair 200cm / 99kg
Eagles - Nic Nat 201cm / 105kg, Lycett 203cm / 103kg & Giles 201cm / 101kg
Dogs - Campbell 200cm / 104kg, Roughead 200cm / 99kg & Minson 199cm / 106kg

now Ryder, Howard & Trengove all have the leap but they don't have the strength to go body on body with someone who is over 100kg of muscle. All 3 would need to put on at least 5kg of muscle

in 2014 Lobbe could go body on body but the last 2 years now he is finding it difficult with all these new ruckmen who are taller and heavier than him. he would need to put on 7 - 10kg of muscle and be like Mumford

Frampton needs to put on about 15kg of muscle so he can have the strength to go body on body with some of the heavier ruckmen.
If we sometimes use Hoff as a ruckman next year then some how he will need to put on at least 5kg

so in the draft if we go for a ruckman it will have to be someone over 200cm and around 100kg + some one like:-
Jordan Sweet (SA – RUC) 203cm - 105kg
Jeremy Goddard (WA – RUC) - 202cm 97kg
Peter Ladhams (SA – RUC) - 202cm 90kg

or the other options is to get a couple of young developing 20yr old, 205cm+/ 100kg Americans and give them 3 years or so with the magpies

I wouldn't worry about weight too much. The reason lobbe isn't fulfilling his potential Is not because he needs to gain 5 kgs. Out there he isn't conceding anything really in strength to most of those guys. His issue is he gets his hand to the ball a lot in taps but doesn't tap it to our advantage, and can't get to the right spot in a pack and mark the ball in those concrete slabs he calls hands.


But if we want to pick up a young ruck then this seems to be the year to do it. I don't think we desperately need to pick one this year with frampton and Howard on the list but if a good prospect is there at the right price I think sure, and with Ryder being 28? Next season and question marks over frampton as this early we don't know what he can be it would be smart to add another ruck when a viable option pops up. With English , sweet, Goddard and ladhams i would say that with none of them being high pick prospects and the trend towards not picking ruckmen high in the draft that we would not have to reach for them at all. Not only one but a couple of them would in all likelihood be around our third and maybe even fourth pick. If you want size take the vic country ruck in the rookie draft. The kid looks like the mountain.

For me without seeing vision of them ladhams is the one. Is apparently the best mark when he goes forward and so far in champs he is consistantly finding more of the ball then all the other rucks. I don't have access to hitouts in the champs so don't know who is the more dominant in that category.

 

[Macca19]

Possibly. The group outside the top 3-5 players seems to be anyone could go anywhere depending on what team picks where. I haven't seen vision of graham playing yet but I love guys who produce big numbers in champs consistently. sounds like an all rounder player without a standout attribute, but I am also not hearing about weaknesses either? If a guy can rack up 30 possies repeatedly in the champs I think that will translate to afl. Wish we had a 2nd rounder.

The query over him would be his kicking, not a great kick. Also scope for improvement is always something recruiters have to weigh up for well built guys like him. I like him and he'd be the perfect 2nd rounder, but at this point I reckon there'd be better players available with our pick.

 

[Garibaldi Red]

Not really into McLuggage. Rumours abound about a bit of baggage

 

[Leaveit2charlie]

http://m.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news...-two-of-the-afl-under18s-20160612-gphcv3.html


Fellow onballer Hugh McCluggage was very, very good. He had 25 possessions, took five marks, had four clearances and proved a tricky match-up in the forward line, kicking three goals. He finds space, but runs hard to ensure he does. Did the right thing more often than not.

Never hear a bad word about him on field. Not sure him and Robbie have ever been seen in the same room.


Daniel Venables is a brute. And he was important when it mattered, setting up one goal with a neat handball then clunking a strong mark late before kicking the winning goal.

Something about the word brute on a CV that is arousing.

 

[Long live PAFC]

McCluggage will take a year or two to get the body right but when he does, he will be very impressive.

If we have pick ten, Marshall may slide as he hasn't been overly impressive but is still the best 197cm KPF. Not sure if Essendon would take him at 1 but someone like Carlton may take a punt on him.

Scrimshaw still sounds very promising.

Sounds like a year where the combine results may have more of an impact than usual as there aren't many classy kicks so speed or endurance may be more of a differentiating factor than it has been previously. Ie Venables has more raw pace than Scharenberg

 

[Macca19]

Not sure Carlton will bother with Marshall after nabbing Silvagni, Mckay & Curnow last year.

McLugguage plays so much like Steele Sidebottom. Just constantly in the right place, sneaks forward, great kick for goal, surprisingly good mark for his size. He's quite slight, but like Steele, I reckon he'll be ripe for 22 games come year 2.

 

[Leaveit2charlie]

http://www.espn.com.au/afl/story/_/id/16235926/knighmare-afl-draft-wrap-brodie-standout-vic-country

Williem Drew from the second quarter onwards spent much of the game playing off a half-back flank which was an opportunity to see something different from one of this draft's most dominant stoppage players.

As he does, Drew won his share of 50/50 balls at ground level and tackled strongly. The key takeout though was Drew offered some nice run on a few occasions which for a 188cm stoppage specialist is another feature that will only enhance his draft prospects if he can show that more often.

On one occasion Drew provided some dash, disposed of the ball then provided some overlap run, running in support on the offensive drive from the back half.

There was another eye-catching sequence where Drew ran at speed with ball in hand for almost 40m, drew an opposition player, then with perfect timing, dished by hand to a supporting runner, in a play you could have easily confused Drew with a natural running half-back flanker.


They all look great on paper I guess but one of these would be useful.

 

[Macca19]

http://www.espn.com.au/afl/story/_/id/16235926/knighmare-afl-draft-wrap-brodie-standout-vic-country

Williem Drew from the second quarter onwards spent much of the game playing off a half-back flank which was an opportunity to see something different from one of this draft's most dominant stoppage players.

As he does, Drew won his share of 50/50 balls at ground level and tackled strongly. The key takeout though was Drew offered some nice run on a few occasions which for a 188cm stoppage specialist is another feature that will only enhance his draft prospects if he can show that more often.

On one occasion Drew provided some dash, disposed of the ball then provided some overlap run, running in support on the offensive drive from the back half.

There was another eye-catching sequence where Drew ran at speed with ball in hand for almost 40m, drew an opposition player, then with perfect timing, dished by hand to a supporting runner, in a play you could have easily confused Drew with a natural running half-back flanker.


They all look great on paper I guess but one of these would be useful.

He looked a lot like Broadbent on the weekend. Will be a very good player

 

[Traveling_Power]

Agree completely about our ruckman. It's why I can't view Ryder as a full ruck replacement. He is an outstanding ruck, but as the game wears on, especially with fewer rotations, it'a the big guys who will not get shorter.

and that is why we need to look at taller (204cm + ) and heavier (102kg + ruck)

and that is why it wouldn't hurt to have a couple of Americans around 20 - 21yrs ... around this age they would have the bodies (from years in the gym) and it would give them 2 - 3 years to learn the game with the magpies

as Mason Cox (from Collingwood) and Jason Holmes (Saints) have shown the Americans can be an asset all we need to do is get them early

 

[Traveling_Power]

Those really are damning numbers.

We really are out of step with every other team in the league.

P.s. I am surprised Lobbe is that light

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and with Lobbe being so light that I think is part of his problem. he is a body on body Ruck and he is trying to use his strength against other rucks that have more weight (strength) to use against him

it would be like him trying to use his 97kgs move a determined 110kg Charlie Dixon .. most of the time he couldn't (well not for the whole game) but if he (Lobbe) was around 105kg he would do a lot better using his strength against all the other rucks ( like Mumford who is smaller Ruckman but he is 107kg)

 

[Traveling_Power]

I wouldn't worry about weight too much. The reason lobbe isn't fulfilling his potential Is not because he needs to gain 5 kgs. Out there he isn't conceding anything really in strength to most of those guys. His issue is he gets his hand to the ball a lot in taps but doesn't tap it to our advantage, and can't get to the right spot in a pack and mark the ball in those concrete slabs he calls hands. .

the weight would be a factor .. I suspect Lobbe is more worried trying to use his light body against heavier ruckmen that he is rushing the taps which doesn't go to our players like they once did .. to understand how the weight would be a factor one must think

"could I push aside some one who is 4cm taller and 10kg heavier if this person didn't want to be moved ?" and in most cases the answer would be no I couldn't

then ask yourself "could I push aside some one who is 4cm taller but close to the same weight ? " and the result would be a lot better

 

[Boxx]

the weight would be a factor .. I suspect Lobbe is more worried trying to use his light body against heavier ruckmen that he is rushing the taps which doesn't go to our players like they once did .. to understand how the weight would be a factor one must think

"could I push aside some one who is 4cm taller and 10kg heavier if this person didn't want to be moved ?" and in most cases the answer would be no I couldn't

then ask yourself "could I push aside some one who is 4cm taller but close to the same weight ? " and the result would be a lot better

Im 5'8 and about the same weight as Big Dix... I dont reckon I could push him aside.

 

[Portsouth]

After watching the game on the weekend, would absolutely love a tall midfielder like Bontempelli. Really like William Setterfield followed by William Brodie, Jarrod Berry and Jacob Allison. The only way we'd get Setterfield is by throwing everything at him as he's an academy kid, hopefully Brodie slips through and we can pick him but I doubt it!

 

[Macca19]

WA v Allies is on at 1pm CST on FS3 today if anyone is interested

 

[Macca19]

Good to see Kenny watching the juniors

 

[Ford Fairlane]

WA v Allies is on at 1pm CST on FS3 today if anyone is interested

Love a good war film.

 

[Macca19]

The potential of Powell-Pepper is insane. Has Judd-like pace and agility away from stoppages, hits contests and full pace and wins the ball without breaking stride. Just needs to find a bit more of it but his scope is better than anyone else in this draft imo.

I'm all aboard the Todd Marshall train. Strong marking in front. Good athleticism, good leap, strong hands. Played well. A lot of potential there.

Petrevski-Seton didn't have a good game. hasn't had a good year. Could slide a bit. There's a lot of Peter Burgoyne about him. Good in close at stoppages and can find the ball on the outside. Dual sided.

Shai Bolton has insane pace and can see a lot of teams liking his athleticism. Would be lightning down a wing. Kicking is a bit bang and hope though. Zac Fisher had a great game and looks a real player though is only 175cm. Zac Sproule had some moments as a lead up CHF.

A bit of hype growing around Tim English in the ruck. Very slender and his actual ruckwork was poor but is very athletic, has great follow up work and likes to throw himself in. Strnadica - pass.

A lot of the big name Allies had poor games. Barely saw Jack Bowes. Didnt see Brad Scheer after half time. Setterfield had moments but couldnt put anything consistent together. Hampton had one or two great moments but otherwise failed to take the game on. Parfitt the best of the big names.

 

[Visenfest]

I just want us to draft real footballers this year.

 

[philthy05]

Anyone at the sa v vic metro game today?

Love to hear comments on some of the kids.

 

[JUSTWORK]

who's everyones #1 draft target ? Don't see a lot of the U18s..

How highly does everyone rate Jonty Sharenburg ?

 

[philthy05]

who's everyones #1 draft target ? Don't see a lot of the U18s..

How highly does everyone rate Jonty Sharenburg ?

I can't see much consensus after mcluggage Brodie sps.

Seems they are the top 3 ... Then who knows what teams will like who


Personally without seeing a lot of the players gallucci is my fav and maybe drew.