List Mgmt. 2016 Potential Draft Picks

[Holden Hillbilly]

ADELAIDE will head into next week's NAB AFL Draft without any rights over Ben Jarman after deciding not to nominate the small forward as a father-son pick.

Clubs had to confirm by Friday whether they would nominate father-son prospects ahead of next week's draft, with the Crows choosing not to have any bidding rights on the son of premiership hero Darren.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-11-18/crows-roll-the-dice-with-fatherson-prospect-ben-jarman

 

[Macca19]

Brodie is from Vic Country so there is no go home factor.
This trade reeks of stupidity. If we miss Brodie, these blokes need their jobs reviewed. Every single year there is a 'slider,' why this year did we think differently?

Sellar was a slider. Butcher was a slider. Both were considered potential #1 picks early in their draft year. How were their careers? Sometimes sliders don't work out.

 

[mightypowerrrr]

Sellar was a slider. Butcher was a slider. Both were considered potential #1 picks early in their draft year. How were their careers? Sometimes sliders don't work out.

These blocked were KPPs tho. Brodie is considered a safe bet to play 200 games. Inside mids are normally a safe bet

 

[scottjr]

ADELAIDE will head into next week's NAB AFL Draft without any rights over Ben Jarman after deciding not to nominate the small forward as a father-son pick.

Clubs had to confirm by Friday whether they would nominate father-son prospects ahead of next week's draft, with the Crows choosing not to have any bidding rights on the son of premiership hero Darren.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-11-18/crows-roll-the-dice-with-fatherson-prospect-ben-jarman

Don't know about rolling the dice. He will walk to them in the rookie draft. Pretty sure the Crows have that right there is almost certain to be a good second round pick slide and you would want to have the option of picking him up without him heading to the rookie draft.

We will have no interest in Jarman I imagine.

 

[shewho]

Sellar was a slider. Butcher was a slider. Both were considered potential #1 picks early in their draft year. How were their careers? Sometimes sliders don't work out.

There's a real difference between a KPP slider and a midfield slider.

Wingard, Wines, Selwood all slid- how did they turn out?

 

[crafty_bernardo]

Knightmare's write up for Galluci:

Promising midfielder Jordan Gallucci showed AFL-standard class, composure and impact per possession in Eastern's 50-point win over Gippsland on Saturday. Gallucci dominated with an impactful 36 disposals, six marks, six tackles and three goals.

Gallucci displayed two signature strengths multiple times throughout the game.

Firstly, Gallucci has a masterful ability to lower his eyes, immediately find a good target over a short or medium distance and hit them by foot, lace out, where they want it. A natural right-footer, his passes by foot feel Sam Mitchell-esque. The midfielder excels in lowering his eyes, making a quick decision and hitting his intended target off one or two steps.

This ability was impressive around the ground but even more so at stoppages under pressure, when he remained composed and executed well, regardless of the pressure he was under. On several occasions from centre bounces throughout the game, Gallucci would receive the ball by hand, lower his eyes, spot a good target and hit a 15-40m kick cleanly from the stoppage, setting up a shot at goal. He just weights his passes perfectly - gently putting it out in front of his intended targets and seemingly never missing.

Gallucci's second signature play which proved every bit as eye-catching at the weekend is his ability to burst away from stoppages at speed. On several different occasions throughout the match Gallucci explosively burst away and left everyone else in his wake and would then go on to deliver a clean kick to a target up the field.

Also impressive is Gallucci's leadership. Once after an Eastern goal in the second quarter, Gallucci ran 35m to one of his team-mates to offer a hand slap of encouragement before going back to the centre for the next bounce. It's those small acts that are most appreciated and team lifting and it's terrific to see Gallucci at such a young age display that.

Jorrdan Gallucci of the AFL Academy gets a handball away against VFL side Werribee in April, 2016. Quinn Rooney/Getty Images

Analysis

Gallucci is very much suited to the modern AFL game with his vision, quick decision-making, footskills, ability to move the ball on quickly off one or two steps and his explosive burst of pace. With these attributes, Gallucci can provide quick and meaningful ball movement, which is an asset all teams will be on the lookout for.

To take the next step, he would benefit from further developing his contested ball-winning ability. While at this stage Gallucci has some significant weapons through the midfield - and he is able to win some of his own ball - he is more of a receiver than someone who goes in and wins it himself. It's developing an improved contested element to his game that will take Gallucci to the next level and make him an impactful and productive player at AFL level.

With continued strong performances, the AFL Academy player is a first-round draft chance.

http://www.espn.com.au/afl/story/_/...fl-draft-wrap-jordan-gallucci-showcases-class

 

[Macca19]

There's a real difference between a KPP slider and a midfield slider.

Wingard, Wines, Selwood all slid- how did they turn out?

How's Daniel Rich gone?

Im not saying Brodie wont be a good player. He will. Im saying i dont think he'll slide and there is little that actually points to him sliding being valid.

 

[wilbur_15]

The last 5 pages is full of people pre-melting that we might have missed out on Brodie.



Everyone has a different list. We may not have rated Brodie. Brodie may not fall. There is nothing written anywhere outside of one line in an article that suggests he might fall, and the opinion of an amateur draft watcher. Thats neither here nor there.

Remember how everyone here and on the Crows board were blowing loads over Butcher and Sellar dropping to our picks? How both those players were originally potential #1 picks who fell down the draft. They played about 4 decent games between them.




The gap between 9 and 14 isn't overly big imo. The gap between 31 and 49 in this draft is reasonably significant.

I'm not concerned because I don't think the gap between Brodie and your Witherden/Berry/SPP/Hayward pick 14 types is all that big.

If Brodie goes at 9 and we pick Battle with 14 then i'll probably start melting. But, I still don't see Brodie dropping that far.

Thanks for the replies. This is the main one for me:

"I'm not concerned because I don't think the gap between Brodie and your Witherden/Berry/SPP/Hayward pick 14 types is all that big."

I get the impression there is a big step down from the top 5 players (including Brodie) to the rest but makes me feel better if you don't think so!

How about if SPS slides to 9?

 

[OneGreatClub]

BRODIE WILL ABSOLUTELY BE THE BEST PLAYER OF ALL TIME!!!11!! RAAARGH!
He's so good that all other clubs are scared to pick him and that's why he's talked about sliding outside the top 10! Poorts are so stupid there are literally no other players to draft outside brodie.

He's the next Dean Gore. What have we done????

 

[Doctor Feel]

Nice of Ben Waterworth to be pushing the name of Alex Villis, you know. Since he's never going to play AFL again and all. Pretty tasteless error. Confirms what we all know, that these articles are made through looking at a few stats and going "yeah this guy was alright, lets put him on the list."

http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/the...k=7917132b5bac8255fde11e0f03910505-1479461434

 

[ClickBOOM1870]

With the crows not nominating Ben Jarman i would seriously consider him at our 80's pick.

The kid actually has good skills, good footy sense, and his disposals are as clean as they come.

Be worth the gamble... And the melts across town would just be a bonus

 

[Chachi]

With the crows not nominating Ben Jarman i would seriously consider him at our 80's pick.

The kid actually has good skills, good footy sense, and his disposals are as clean as they come.

Be worth the gamble... And the melts across town would just be a bonus

I think they're deliberately not nominating him so that clubs don't play funny buggers with them. They probably figure Hawthorns pick is 80 odd and our first 4 are to high to use on him.
It's a gamble and it will be interesting to see how it pans out.

 

[Jonts]

I'm sitting

English
Marshall
Clarke
Pohloke

 

[philthy05]

This screams that we want outside mids more than inside ones.

Not necessarily


Could be looking for mids with better ball use just as much. Would describe gray as a mid with polish. He isn't outside. Pendlebury isn't outside but could say he would fit the description.


I think it is a good thing we have identified it as something this group needs.

 

[shewho]

Quigley has produced his power rankings. If you have nothing to do before next Friday (including sleep) you can probably get through everything he's written but the highlight for me was Brandon Parfitt at 10.

I've wanted to really like Parfitt- spent time at Alberton, ball winning inside mid, very highly rated last year, did well again for NT this year but, according to Quigley, played out of position by Kennelly for Allies and All Stars.

Could he be the one we were confident would still be there at 14? Is he yet another example of the annual BF Groupthink underestimating (and overestimating) certain players?

 

[Killer Power]

How's Daniel Rich gone?

Im not saying Brodie wont be a good player. He will. Im saying i dont think he'll slide and there is little that actually points to him sliding being valid.

As I said previously if he doesn't slide then it is a moot point. If he slides all the way to 14 then we could look like geniuses. If he goes between 9 - 14 though.....

I think we are within our rights to question this and I for one have not been comfortable since the trade happened. Hopefully it all works out for the best but I do think there is strong potential that the risk could outweigh the reward in the final wash up. In context these melts are not even to the selection night level and we are gambling with a hell of a lot more on this one. Perhaps I should take it over to the unpopular opinion thread instead.

 

[shewho]

As I said previously if he doesn't slide then it is a moot point. If he slides all the way to 14 then we could look like geniuses. If he goes between 9 - 14 though.....

I think we are within our rights to question this and I for one have not been comfortable since the trade happened. Hopefully it all works out for the best but I do think there is strong potential that the risk could outweigh the reward in the final wash up. In context these melts are not even to the selection night level and we are gambling with a hell of a lot more on this one. Perhaps I should take it over to the unpopular opinion thread instead.

No I am with you and was the minute I heard about the trade. Unless they really knew there would be no slider, just dumb.

 

[DaTBird187]

Since when did Brodie become the be all and end all key to the entire existence of the universe?

 

[Popielnicki]

My opinion Venables has a higher ceiling then Brodie

 

[Peck]

Since when did Brodie become the be all and end all key to the entire existence of the universe?

It's the reason we entered the AFL.

We exist to win Brodies

 

[TheFVK]

They would have done that assuming none of the top 5 would possibly slip out to 9. Port would definitely have Brodie in their top 5 so if he gets to 9, I think it's a fail.

What type of dumb reasoning is this? Why would Brodie be in our top 5 but not everyone elses?

If we're going to pants-wet can we at least pretend our grievances aren't any less subjective than they actually are by not using such blatant factoids?

None of us know our draft board and none of us know how these players careers' will look in 10 years time. There's a fact.

 

[wilbur_15]

What type of dumb reasoning is this? Why would Brodie be in our top 5 but not everyone elses?

If we're going to pants-wet can we at least pretend our grievances aren't any less subjective than they actually are by not using such blatant factoids?

None of us know our draft board and none of us know how these players careers' will look in 10 years time. There's a fact.

What are you talking about? How am I pants wetting?

I have my own opinions on prospects and Brodie is the best pure mid in the draft imo. I'm sure most every club would have him in their top 5 except it seems GC who are shit drafters and coincidentally, were the ones we needed to consider most before trading out pick 9 as they had 3 of the 8 picks before it.

The fact it's Brodie is beside the point anyway. The top 5 or 6 are seen by most every man and his dog as being a clear first tier. All I'm doubting is whether Port evaluated in any meaningful way if GC (or Bris/Carl/Fre) would gamble on a couple of long shots/personal faves. Remember, Cripps and Davies were out asking everyone else's opinion of the draft and next year's, haha!

If a Brodie/SPS fall to 9, I think our trade is a fail. I'm not ranting or raving on it. Just putting my opinion out on a football forum.

On your last point, here's a fact for you. Despite the fact that no-one knows how players careers will develop over 10 years, every campaigner in the recruiting game has to make a call in the here and now, based on their performance to date and perceived potential. Your statement is just a cop out.

 

[TheFVK]

What are you talking about? How am I pants wetting?

I have my own opinions on prospects and Brodie is the best pure mid in the draft imo. I'm sure most every club would have him in their top 5 except it seems GC who are shit drafters and coincidentally, were the ones we needed to consider most before trading out pick 9 as they had 3 of the 8 picks before it.

The fact it's Brodie is beside the point anyway. The top 5 or 6 are seen by most every man and his dog as being a clear first tier. All I'm doubting is whether Port evaluated in any meaningful way if GC (or Bris/Carl/Fre) would gamble on a couple of long shots/personal faves. Remember, Cripps and Davies were out asking everyone else's opinion of the draft and next year's, haha!

If a Brodie/SPS fall to 9, I think our trade is a fail. I'm not ranting or raving on it. Just putting my opinion out on a football forum.

On your last point, here's a fact for you. Despite the fact that no-one knows how players careers will develop over 10 years, every campaigner in the recruiting game has to make a call in the here and now, based on their performance to date and perceived potential. Your statement is just a cop out.

Firstly fair call, you've made your points reasonably.

The issue I had is your flippant comment that Port thinks Brodie is a top 4 / 5 talent, which isn't validated anywhere at all and if anything would fly in the face of his huge slide from a potential #1 pick to late first round. No issue at all if you believe that, or if you believe we've failed based on your personal view of players. But you've made some huge assumptions and presented them as facts.

 

[Hellgood]

The last 5 pages is full of people pre-melting that we might have missed out on Brodie.



Everyone has a different list. We may not have rated Brodie. Brodie may not fall. There is nothing written anywhere outside of one line in an article that suggests he might fall, and the opinion of an amateur draft watcher. Thats neither here nor there.

Remember how everyone here and on the Crows board were blowing loads over Butcher and Sellar dropping to our picks? How both those players were originally potential #1 picks who fell down the draft. They played about 4 decent games between them.




The gap between 9 and 14 isn't overly big imo. The gap between 31 and 49 in this draft is reasonably significant.

I'm not concerned because I don't think the gap between Brodie and your Witherden/Berry/SPP/Hayward pick 14 types is all that big.

If Brodie goes at 9 and we pick Battle with 14 then i'll probably start melting. But, I still don't see Brodie dropping that far.

Far too much sensibility in this post. From the games and highlights I've seen of Brodie, I think he is almost unquestionably an AFL talent. But there's no reason we couldn't pick up a better player or combination of players with the selections we have.

 

[Lagooner]

Since when did Brodie become the be all and end all key to the entire existence of the universe?

People just can't wait to start calling him Brodeo.