Play Nice 2016 Presidential Election Part 4 - President-Elect Trump

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It seems that Trump and those behind him see China as much more of a threat and are pivoting for a shift towards Russia and against China.

A strong china Russia alliance is arguably overwhelming to USA hegemony. A USA Russia alliance on the other hand contains China and preserves the USA global unipower status for a while longer.

Of course not everyone is happy with this shift particularly the incumbents but the current course has been well and truly discredited.
And here is the course of the spin over the next few years.

''Its ok to like Russia coz we hate the Chinese more now'' . '' Russia really aren't Commies anymore they have votes, but China , now China they are the real bad Commies''
 

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Besides being the manufacturer of most of their consumables and the holder of a shit tonne of their debt? Yeah not much.

I'm pretty sure yebiga and Procrastinator35 are the same poster and they are both incredibly clueless.
And how exactly does it help the USA that China manufactures everything and that the USA are heavily indebted to China?
 

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And how exactly does it help the USA that China manufactures everything and that the USA are heavily indebted to China?
Besides the US being able to drive their consumer economy in a manner that is somewhat affordable thanks to cheap manufacturing, and also operate their economy without it being shut down with debt being called in? But yeah, you're right, Russia is just important to the US economy, which is what you were implying here....

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I'd rather think of it as a simplification of complex forces. You on the other hand are demonstrating a classic case of obfuscation when presented with inconvenient facts. I'll let you in on a secret, I'm not a huge fan of Hillary Clinton either. However I'm able to separate my feelings on the Clinton political dynasty from my analysis of Trumps appointments so far.

But I will grant you that my Oil political matrix may be relatively shallow analysis but realistically that's all you're going to get on a football forum bud unless you're lucky enough to catch Betty Noir in full flight on a night when he's overdone the uppers and can't sleep.

Fortunately for me, my premise is 100% right, and so far you've failed to answer any of the questions I've posed to you while you have been backtracking at a sprint.

It's ok to be wrong. Even Betty Noir is wrong sometimes.
I'm right. Prophetically. 24/7. LOL.
 

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I dont see the value in Russia for the USA.
Russia is a 3rd world economy. Massive energy rich, big arms industry & nuclear weapons. Thats all their is. The USA doesnt need Russian energy. Theirs nothing else worth trading.
China is far more important to US interests, yet Trump seems intent to treat them with contempt. I really dont get it!
Yes that's right. Trump's best interests and America's best interests may differ... LOL
 

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Besides the US being able to drive their consumer economy in a manner that is somewhat affordable thanks to cheap manufacturing, and also operate their economy without it being shut down with debt being called in? But yeah, you're right, Russia is just important to the US economy, which is what you were implying here....

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Energy reserves drive the global economy

If the USA can turn China into a pariah and persuade the international community to push for sanctions against China - re the South China Sea or Taiwan or North Korea or whatever pretext - then the USA can pick and choose the industries which are important to sustain home grown manufacturing. Trumps promise to Keep and grow jobs at home becomes possible.

China is weakened
The EU as always will fall in line
And if Trump has Putin on side china is isolated, it's growth is contained and its currency becomes devalued - ergo the US debt to china is reduced if not repudiated.

The downside is a likely short global recession for 12-18 months. The demand for USA military hardware from chinas' now fearful south East Asian neighbors would enrich the military industrial complex.

The realignment with Russia would enable a whole swarm of major energy and construction projects involving major Western and US companies.

None of this addresses the specter of automation and the end of work as we know it but it kicks the can down the road long enough for the Trumpster to look like a genius.

And if we know anything about the Don it is that he is driven by public adulation.
 

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And here is the course of the spin over the next few years.

''Its ok to like Russia coz we hate the Chinese more now'' . '' Russia really aren't Commies anymore they have votes, but China , now China they are the real bad Commies''
Yes that seems to be the Trump course. Morally it's vacuous or worse but in the world of realpolitics it's the right play. China is an economic power house and the current trajectory sees it dwarfing the USA in a matter of a decade or two. This is just fact. The consequences are plain for the USA and the EU to become second rate powers.

Russia has always desperately wanted to be respected by The west as a power so its very easy to get them on side.

If you don't you force Putin to befriend China and the consequences are that China becomes richer quicker as Russia is forced to meet China's energy needs at the cheapest cost.

In the amoral world of geopolitics it's the best available short term play for the USA.
 

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Energy reserves drive the global economy

If the USA can turn China into a pariah and persuade the international community to push for sanctions against China - re the South China Sea or Taiwan or North Korea or whatever pretext - then the USA can pick and choose the industries which are important to sustain home grown manufacturing. Trumps promise to Keep and grow jobs at home becomes possible.

China is weakened
The EU as always will fall in line
And if Trump has Putin on side china is isolated, it's growth is contained and its currency becomes devalued - ergo the US debt to china is reduced if not repudiated.

The downside is a likely short global recession for 12-18 months. The demand for USA military hardware from chinas' now fearful south East Asian neighbors would enrich the military industrial complex.

The realignment with Russia would enable a whole swarm of major energy and construction projects involving major Western and US companies.

None of this addresses the specter of automation and the end of work as we know it but it kicks the can down the road long enough for the Trumpster to look like a genius.

And if we know anything about the Don it is that he is driven by public adulation.
This post is amazing, the complete lack of knowledge on display is breathtaking.
 

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Yes that seems to be the Trump course. Morally it's vacuous or worse but in the world of realpolitics it's the right play. China is an economic power house and the current trajectory sees it dwarfing the USA in a matter of a decade or two. This is just fact. The consequences are plain for the USA and the EU to become second rate powers.
... or sooner.
IMF has China overtaking the US to become the world's biggest economy in 2018.
 

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Energy reserves drive the global economy

If the USA can turn China into a pariah and persuade the international community to push for sanctions against China - re the South China Sea or Taiwan or North Korea or whatever pretext - then the USA can pick and choose the industries which are important to sustain home grown manufacturing. Trumps promise to Keep and grow jobs at home becomes possible.

China is weakened
The EU as always will fall in line
And if Trump has Putin on side china is isolated, it's growth is contained and its currency becomes devalued - ergo the US debt to china is reduced if not repudiated.

The downside is a likely short global recession for 12-18 months. The demand for USA military hardware from chinas' now fearful south East Asian neighbors would enrich the military industrial complex.

The realignment with Russia would enable a whole swarm of major energy and construction projects involving major Western and US companies.

None of this addresses the specter of automation and the end of work as we know it but it kicks the can down the road long enough for the Trumpster to look like a genius.

And if we know anything about the Don it is that he is driven by public adulation.
TLDR.
I did however find the pretext stimulating. I don't agree particularly though. I'm more of the opinion that the global economy consumes energy.
If you are dependant on fossil fuels, you will not be globally competitive in the near future. China itself has reached an untenable point already. That's why they are leading the world in the use of safe isotopes such as thorium.
There is no tomorrow for a China dependant on "energy reserves". (I presume you mean, carbon based. Coal, crude, even gas...) they know this better than anyone.
That's why it is extreme duplicity for trump to build policy around a drill baby drill mind set.
It is selfish, short sighted,self serving, dangerous and foolish.
Fracking is the camel filterless of fossil fuel harvesting, and he wants it.
Fossil fuels are finished. Except in the least industrious of nations. It's all hubris.
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BTW, China is at code red, in their shit weather parlance.
The party ordered the biggest and worst polluters, also the biggest manufacturers in the city of hooflungdung, to cease production immediately for an indefinite period, (until visibility increases to 10cm...) LOL.
They cannot function. 20 years ago the were building 4 coal driven power stations per day, accommodating the needs of 300,000 households each.
Now they are knocking out inert salt reactors the size of a house that shut down when a plug is pulled.
Clean safe cheap efficient.
The Chinese are hammering their own major corporations who don't make the change to clean fuel. Not in ten years... but today.
Gas is Russia's Achilles. It is marketable, but limited.
The north sea/Baltic/arctic oil fields are Donald's and Vladimir's alone. The ultimate kleptocrats.
 

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BTW, China is at code red, in their shit weather parlance.
The party ordered the biggest and worst polluters, also the biggest manufacturers in the city of hooflungdung, to cease production immediately for an indefinite period, (until visibility increases to 10cm...) LOL.
They cannot function. 20 years ago the were building 4 coal driven power stations per day, accommodating the needs of 300,000 households each.
Now they are knocking out inert salt reactors the size of a house that shut down when a plug is pulled.
Clean safe cheap efficient.
The Chinese are hammering their own major corporations who don't make the change to clean fuel. Not in ten years... but today.
Gas is Russia's Achilles. It is marketable, but limited.
The north sea/Baltic/arctic oil fields are Donald's and Vladimir's alone. The ultimate kleptocrats.
Trump gives not one flying **** but for whatever he can make out of it. Our bad luck he wasn't born in some small African nation where the damage he could do would be limited.


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This post is amazing, the complete lack of knowledge on display is breathtaking.
Flashback to October 22:

Have spent the weekend in NZ with the wifey to watch the Wallabies v All Blacks. AFL crowds >>>> rugby crowds. Haka was alright though...

Looks like I've not missed anything, other than Trump continuing to bomb, when it comes to the election
The complete lack of knowledge was breathtaking.
 

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BTW, China is at code red, in their shit weather parlance.
The party ordered the biggest and worst polluters, also the biggest manufacturers in the city of hooflungdung, to cease production immediately for an indefinite period, (until visibility increases to 10cm...) LOL.
They cannot function. 20 years ago the were building 4 coal driven power stations per day, accommodating the needs of 300,000 households each.
Now they are knocking out inert salt reactors the size of a house that shut down when a plug is pulled.
Clean safe cheap efficient.
The Chinese are hammering their own major corporations who don't make the change to clean fuel. Not in ten years... but today.
Gas is Russia's Achilles. It is marketable, but limited.
The north sea/Baltic/arctic oil fields are Donald's and Vladimir's alone. The ultimate kleptocrats.
China is still starting 2 new coal reactors every week.

You make it sound like they are rushing green. They are rushing everything possible to meet insane growth demands.

Except now their economy is stalling but they still build on.
 
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