Play Nice 2016 Presidential Election Part 4 - President-Elect Trump

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Yebiga is just a Russian propagandist. Reading his 'thoughts' about Trump et al with that in mind shows how he is just trying to mould opinion that way and spread lies.

And of course any cursory glimpse at Russian propaganda output online or Russian 'elites' on holiday shows they are just as obsessed by fake-looking girls and conspicuous consumption as the supposed 'west'. Russian media doesn't try and aspire to have a culture beyond that and so they are well-equipped to use the internet's common interests - pretty people, conspiracies, conflict, memes, etc. in their own propaganda to suck in the angry male demographic online and use them to be messengers to the rest of the world. Who knows how much influence they are having and how much is caused by the didactic media culture around politics in the west, but I have little doubt that the Russians would be unashamedly using sophisticated propaganda techniques.
I have never suggested Russians are anything but desperate to be accepted as Westerners. Thus they are fundamentally no different to the west. Except on one point - on indoctrination. The indoctrination Russians are and have been exposed to is much less sophisticated that politically at least the average young Russian - when comfortable with his audience - displays a breadth of understanding we have not seen amongst Europeans for almost 30 years and in the Anglo world for 40 years.

Having said that Russians over 45 - 50 years of age are by overwhelmingly numbers crude and dim.
 

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US sanctions over Russian interference in the Presidential election is yet another Trump wedge by Obama. Very interesting move. Does Trump ignore the CIA & FBI investigations which showed Russian involvement? It puts Trump in an awkward position.
Well played Obama. Politically that is.
 

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US sanctions over Russian interference in the Presidential election is yet another Trump wedge by Obama. Very interesting move. Does Trump ignore the CIA & FBI investigations which showed Russian involvement? It puts Trump in an awkward position.
Well played Obama. Politically that is.
Yup, checkmate Trump. If Trump rolls back the sanctions, it makes him look like he's in cahoots with Putin, guilty or not.
 

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US sanctions over Russian interference in the Presidential election is yet another Trump wedge by Obama. Very interesting move. Does Trump ignore the CIA & FBI investigations which showed Russian involvement? It puts Trump in an awkward position.
Well played Obama. Politically that is.
I think it makes him look bitter. Obama didn't mind deposing other world leaders and influencing other elections but when his successor gets rejected, he cries foul and punishes Russia.

If I was Trump, I'd immediately repeal the sanctions and remind the world that Hillary and the DNC only have themselves to blame.
 

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I think it makes him look bitter. Obama didn't mind deposing other world leaders and influencing other elections but when his successor gets rejected, he cries foul and punishes Russia.

If I was Trump, I'd immediately repeal the sanctions and remind the world that Hillary and the DNC only have themselves to blame.
The wedge is that it requires Trump to reject the CIA &FBI investigations. How does he side with Putin against his own intelligence community?
Is Trump interested in US interests? Doez he take cyber war seriously? Does Trump know what that is?
 

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US sanctions over Russian interference in the Presidential election is yet another Trump wedge by Obama. Very interesting move. Does Trump ignore the CIA & FBI investigations which showed Russian involvement? It puts Trump in an awkward position.
Well played Obama. Politically that is.
Have I been living under a rock for too long on this? Have they come out with evidence or are we supposed to take the word of 2 known corrupt entities of the US intelligence community?

The reason I'm asking this is that the past year, by planned propaganda or some hidden agenda, the west in particular Obama and the US have been poking the bear. We have never been so close to WW3 before and these new sanctions are just tightening an already tightened vice on Russia.

Two Russian diplomats killed, 1 airliner downed, sanctions. Obama is really trying his best to screw this world in less than 3 months. I'm just waiting for a nuke to land in the US with Russia's first strike policy.
 
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The wedge is that it requires Trump to reject the CIA &FBI investigations. How does he side with Putin against his own intelligence community?
Is Trump interested in US interests? Doez he take cyber war seriously? Does Trump know what that is?
He's already cast more than doubt on the FBI and CIA. But if you read up on the sanctions, then it's actually Obama calling out Russian intelligence assets. Trump can't undo the naming, and letting back in Diplomats won't necessarily have blow-back as we won't know who they were...

And you'll still see a bunch of dumb like the post above.
 

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http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/312132-fbi-dhs-release-report-on-russia-hacking

FBI, DHS release report on Russia hacking
By Katie Bo Williams - 12/29/16 03:02 PM EST 2,107




The FBI and the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) on Thursday released a joint report detailing how federal investigators linked the Russian government to hacks of Democratic Party organizations.

The document makes clear reference to the hacks of the Democratic National Committee (DNC) and Hillary Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta, though it does not mention either by name.

The 13-page report provides technical details regarding tools and infrastructure used by Russian civilian and military intelligence services to “compromise and exploit networks and endpoints associated with the U.S. election, as well as a range of U.S. Government, political, and private sector entities.” (See the entire report below.)

The report, known as a “Joint Analysis Report” or JAR, refers to the Russian hacking campaign as “Grizzly Steppe.”

It comes as part of a slate of retaliatory measures against Russia issued Thursday by the Obama administration in response to the hacks, and expands on a joint statement issued by the two agencies in October, formally attributing the attacks to Russia.

In the October statement, officials described the the hacks and subsequent publication of stolen emails on WikiLeaks as an attempt to “interfere” with the U.S. election that is “consistent with the Russian-directed efforts,” but provided no evidence to support their assessment.

President-elect Donald Trump has denied that Russia was involved in the hacks, and Obama has been under pressure to provide proof.

Private security firms provided more detailed forensic analysis, which the FBI and DHS said Thursday correlated with the IC’s findings.

“The Joint Analysis Report recognizes the excellent work undertaken by security companies and private sector network owners and operators, and provides new indicators of compromise and malicious infrastructure identified during the course of investigations and incident response,” read a statement.

The report identifies two Russian intelligence groups already named by CrowdStrike and other private security firms.

The Federal Security Service, or FSB, is the main successor to the KGB — once headed by Russian President Vladimir Putin.

The FSB is thought to be behind the hacking group known as APT29. A more traditional, long-range intelligence agency, the FSB lurked on the DNC systems for over a year.

The GRU, Russia’s military intelligence service, is thought to be behind the second group that infiltrated the DNC, known as APT28. APT28 is also believed to have breached Podesta’s emails.

Despite their overlapping targets, the two agencies have different missions in the cyber realm.

APT28 is thought to be the group responsible for “doxxing” the DNC and Podesta by allegedly providing the stolen missives to WikiLeaks to publish.

Both organizations gained access to the DNC through targeted spearphishing campaigns, in which the hackers tricked targeted users into clicking bogus links that either deployed malware or directed them to a fake webmail domain hosted on Russian infrastructure.

APT28 was able to use harvested credentials to then gain access and steal content, according to the report. This likely led “to the exfiltration of information from multiple senior party members.”

“The U.S. Government assesses that information was leaked to the press and publicly disclosed,” the report says.

The report also states that Russian intelligence operatives continued to launch spearphishing attacks on the Democratic party following the election, “including one launched ... just days after" the vote.
 

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I think it makes him look bitter. Obama didn't mind deposing other world leaders and influencing other elections but when his successor gets rejected, he cries foul and punishes Russia.

If I was Trump, I'd immediately repeal the sanctions and remind the world that Hillary and the DNC only have themselves to blame.
Besides the historical shenanigans worldwide, let's look recently history. They have been openly & unashamedly attempting to force regime change for several years now in Syria by arming and supporting an opposition opposed to the nations leader.

Yet even IF the allegations are true, Russia gets sanctioned because their hackers were able to release the DNC heirachies own typed emails to the public?

It's genuinely toys out of the cot stuff.

I read over the weekend in an article on CNN 'One of the reasons the WH didn't go harder pre election was they expected Rodham would win anyway'. Woopsy

For the good of the country and the world, Trhe Democrats need to stop blaming everyone and anyone for their horrendous miscalculation and inability to read the warning signs of what was going on during the primaries, & actually take responsibility for losing what should have been an unlosable election.

The longer the refuse to do so, the longer the necessary changes they need to make will take.
 
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Yup, checkmate Trump. If Trump rolls back the sanctions, it makes him look like he's in cahoots with Putin, guilty or not.
LOL....Dribble.

Everyone knows Russia had f/a to do with hacking the U.S elections....Those machines aren't connected to the internet.

Mere political expediency & cynicism of the worst kind.....This is all about Putin putting a wedge in the Obama/Nazi admin's plans in Syria; & for being exposed for the brutal murderous tyrants they are by Putin/Assad.

Obama is a C.I.A/NAZI wolf in sheeps clothing....Any pretense that the U.S/NATO are the good guys is long gone....Attempting to hide behind the U.S constitution as a front for being the 'good-guys', has well & truly evaporated.

Now you know why Trump has been ignoring all so-called 'intelligence' overtures....They are the clandestine S.S of this shadowy NAZI regime.

The gig is up & their getting desperate....Trump will be assassinated....That's what NAZI'S DO.
 

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Trump would only need a small win back to wind off any sanctions and come out good.

Signing a bilateral agreement to drop total nuclear missile numbers, with some fine print wording that makes it possible to swap twelve missiles for one twelve warhead missile and still comply, would do it.

He would be labeled a hero. Its what happened before.
 

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Lol, the report will fool an illiterate in hacking. Unless you are caught in the act or leave signature trails which can without no doubt identify you, there is no way to conclusively show and prove otherwise. The report released is just showing in a simpleton way, the technical method of how the hacking was done.

There is no evidence showing direct link to Russian entities. For all we could know, it could be some pimpled faced teen in the US or in the middle of whoop whoop. Let's face it, when it comes to cyber attacks, it's something that anyone can do and get away with it if they know how.

I'm still laughing at the list of aliases, as if they think people would fall for it as proof of Russian hacking. On second thoughts maybe some would...
 

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Is anyone else not more concerned that the method used was to entice people to click on bogus links in emails?

Now c'mon guys, you were people no doubt angling for gigs in Rodhams administration & you were stupid enough to fall for one of the interwebz oldest scams?

Just lol. Thank god these geniuses lost.

Though I have to say, as a mid 30s guy, it's amusing to see such a pro Ruskie republican president and the nominal party of the left playing reds under the bed. Seriously, what a time to be alive :smiley:
 

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Is anyone else not more concerned that the method used was to entice people to click on bogus links in emails?

Now c'mon guys, you were people no doubt angling for gigs in Rodhams administration & you were stupid enough to fall for one of the interwebz oldest scams?

Just lol. Thank god these geniuses lost.
That's when you know your country is run by stupid people. I love the fact that the report said this happened as far back as last year, yet Hillary denied any rigging or hacking during the election. Only the lowest IQ or wilfully ignorant can fall for that.
 

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Lol, the report will fool an illiterate in hacking. Unless you are caught in the act or leave signature trails which can without no doubt identify you, there is no way to conclusively show and prove otherwise. The report released is just showing in a simpleton way, the technical method of how the hacking was done.

There is no evidence showing direct link to Russian entities. For all we could know, it could be some pimpled faced teen in the US or in the middle of whoop whoop. Let's face it, when it comes to cyber attacks, it's something that anyone can do and get away with it if they know how.

I'm still laughing at the list of aliases, as if they think people would fall for it as proof of Russian hacking. On second thoughts maybe some would...
Which you wouldn't have read or even been able to understand.
 

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That's when you know your country is run by stupid people. I love the fact that the report said this happened as far back as last year, yet Hillary denied any rigging or hacking during the election. Only the lowest IQ or wilfully ignorant can fall for that.
Trump and his supporters from the Neo-Nazi Alt Right prior to and during the election made statements that the election was rigged and demanded investigations. Since the election result, they (Trump and the Neo-Nazi's) have dropped these claims of election rigging and attacked anyone or any evidence of election rigging or tampering.
 

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Trump and his supporters from the Neo-Nazi Alt Right prior to and during the election made statements that the election was rigged and demanded investigations. Since the election result, they (Trump and the Neo-Nazi's) have dropped these claims of election rigging and attacked anyone or any evidence of election rigging or tampering.
& he was widely ridiculed for such views.

Those same people are now crying foul about the Russians allegedly leaking the DNC's own words & behaviour to the general public.

It's amazing how ones view shifts depending on whether result went said candidates way isn't it

Btw ... there's no evidence or even a suggestion the election was "rigged"
 

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During the campaign information from the hacks was used time, and time to prove the HRC was somehow the devil incarnate, it's a bit rich to now turn around, and try to pretend they never happened.
 
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Besides the historical shenanigans worldwide, let's look recently history. They have been openly & unashamedly attempting to force regime change for several years now in Syria by arming and supporting an opposition opposed to the nations leader.

Yet even IF the allegations are true, Russia gets sanctioned because their hackers were able to release the DNC heirachies own typed emails to the public?

It's genuinely toys out of the cot stuff.

I read over the weekend in an article on CNN 'One of the reasons the WH didn't go harder pre election was they expected Rodham would win anyway'. Woopsy

For the good of the country and the world, Trhe Democrats need to stop blaming everyone and anyone for their horrendous miscalculation and inability to read the warning signs of what was going on during the primaries, & actually take responsibility for losing what should have been an unlosable election.

The longer the refuse to do so, the longer the necessary changes they need to make will take.
And Russia has been attempting to force regime change in countries near it. What the pro-Russian westerners seem to ignore is that as much as you might dislike McDonald's or whatever, the US does genuinely try to spread democratic ideas. Free press, democratic voting, etc. The Russians do not fight for these things. Opponents try to undermine that dynamic by saying 'they support the Saudis', but as we all should know by now, regime change is actually a very fraught, difficult thing. The practicalities of world peace and 'Realpolitik' allow for hypocrisy. I think there is a legitimate question mark about why the Russian-aligned countries seem to get labelled as being particularly bad, while the US-aligned countries don't get that. It's a clear double-standard, and in my brief interactions with real people from Iran, they seem fairly open to 'western' values.

But that doesn't stop the fact that Russia does not fight for those democratic ideas anywhere. They talk about the people of The Crimea being more Russian and so they should join Russia. You could maybe argue that is a bit 'democratic' in terms of those people not being represented by Ukraine. It's a bit of a stretch, though, when Russia doesn't have a free press and has suspiciously high approval numbers for Putin, who is a man who has been in control for a long time despite Russia not doing particularly well economically. That is not really something that we see in a true Democracy - where do people draw optimism for the future from? It is maybe explainable in terms of the country being at War with Chechnya, and others, and people wanting a strong leader in war, but that is again indicative of media control focusing on that narrative, instead of domestic stuff (something we see in the Middle East a lot).

And, no it's not just about hacked emails. It's the campaign that went with them. Even Assange came out and said that the emails weren't leaked by Russia. Even though the whole point of WikiLeaks is they are meant to not know who leaked to them. Most reports suggest the Russians hacked Republicans too, but didn't release those emails. The power of the propaganda was in suggesting something had been 'uncovered' about the Democrats, when in actual fact there wasn't a lot there. Voters aren't going to read WikiLeaks in detail, and so you would see the constant refrain of some outrageous claim followed by 'have you even read the emails?'. I did read them, so I knew those claims were 95% BS, but the spin doctors knew most wouldn't read them.

As for your claims that the Democrats need to make changes rather than pointing out the problems of the election. The Democrats do change. That's why they aren't as left-wing as they used to be (remember Hillary fighting for Universal Health Care?). And apparently that is the 'lesson' of this election - that people wanted left-wing policies. Just ask protectionist Trump, saviour of the Rust-belt, or ask Feel The Bern supporters. And while you're going that, ignore the fact people just voted in a bunch of right-wing stuff with Trump, and Americans for decades have been voting for more right-wing policies... Don't learn those lessons, Democrats. Learn these other ones we think maybe, possibly, could've, potentially, partially been responsible.
 

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Trump and his supporters from the Neo-Nazi Alt Right prior to and during the election made statements that the election was rigged and demanded investigations. Since the election result, they (Trump and the Neo-Nazi's) have dropped these claims of election rigging and attacked anyone or any evidence of election rigging or tampering.
Just so we're clear on this, if it was the other way around and Trump was claiming this, I'd still demand definite and conclusive proof. Those who have been involved in cyber security etc know for a fact that it is difficult to obtain conclusive of cyber attackers identities. Hence why experienced hackers are called "ghosts" for a reason. Top intelligence agencies are in the stone age when it comes to tracking experienced hackers.
 
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