Play Nice 2016 Presidential Election Part 4 - President-Elect Trump

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There's a lot of utter crap being spoken online from people who have little idea of how the world works. And you can tell they have little idea, because they don't know how to talk about Israel or Castro - issues where the Russian propaganda / alt-right propaganda / Trump's comments don't tell them what to say.

Herculez below is the only one brave enough to back his own opinion:

And, no, Castro wasn't discussed at all in here, except for the ridiculous EliteFlyBoy avatar claiming someone on the Internet predicted the future in 1981.
Did you know mass graves of mutilated bodies were found in areas where Obama's "rebels" occupied in Aleppo? Or were you too busy condemning Israel and Trump to even care or notice when the news broke?

Oh that's right, if it has nothing to do with Israel and Castro then it's not how the world works.

I've never conversed with you, yet you keep taking cheap pots shots. But why should I complain, "that's not how the world works". Very classy...
 
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Did you know mass graves of mutilated bodies were found in areas where Obama's "rebels" occupied in Aleppo? Or were you too busy condemning Israel and Trump to even care or notice when the news broke?

Oh that's right, if it has nothing to do with Israel and Castro then it's not how the world works.

I've never conversed with you, yet you keep taking cheap pots shots. But why should I complain, "that's not how the world works". Very classy...
Sorry, brah, but there's no way to have expensive pot shots at you given you are clearly a fantasist. Posting about how you found someone on the Internet who predicted the future in 1981, or seeing you pretend to be a hacker - these are very clear signals that engaging with you would just be trolling. So we can point out that you are saying dumb things, and don't have to waste words justifying it. Cheap n easy.
 

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You sound like one of those Trump supporters that took an interest in politics for the first time in their life around the time Trump started calling Mexicans rapists, and now has a holistic insight into the political process that us mere mortals couldn't hope to match.
And you keep parroting a worn out phrase, "You sound like one of those Trump supporters...", at least I can distinguish one group of people from another without assuming and projecting. It seems the only group you can clearly distinguish without hate or malice is Muslims.

You don't know me so it's best you stop assuming based on my comments. Since you love your religious analogies, some of my core beliefs and world views are shared by Trump and his ilk, doesn't mean I support him every single one of his beliefs. You of all people should know, since you commented about it a few minutes earlier. Talk about hypocrisy of the highest order.
 

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Trump as President needs to be taken seriously, his supporters less so, and it won't be long before they realise he's played them for fools.
 

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Sorry, brah, but there's no way to have expensive pot shots at you given you are clearly a fantasist. Posting about how you found someone on the Internet who predicted the future in 1981, or seeing you pretend to be a hacker - these are very clear signals that engaging with you would just be trolling. So we can point out that you are saying dumb things, and don't have to waste words justifying it. Cheap n easy.
I'm not your "bruh".

For something I post a few weeks back which was relevant during the time of the conversation? The cheap shots came before I even said "I was a hacker" but don't let the truth get in the way of a good story. Clearly it's never stopped you before.

You clearly only want to converse with people who agree with your world view and ideals seeing as you avoided answering my questions. Carry on with your cheap shots, maybe one day you'll learn how to converse in a civilised manner if you want to be taken seriously.
 

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We'll if they are, the dems and Obama better start deleting videos off the internet of Obama rejecting claims of rigging before the election. And I'm pretty sure if I remember correctly, he denied any Russian involvement too.

So Russia is the only enemy of the US that is capable of doing this? The problem with cyber attacks is that those who do it have a 1% chance of being caught. That's after you have actual evidence from ISPs, and computer evidence. If this is a well organised hack by expert hackers, backed by a state, the chance diminishes to less then 1%. There is no way of tracing back to the culprits unless they have an ego trip and start bragging about it (most cases of how the very good hackers lose their anonymity, by their own stupidity).

Even if the Russians did it, and the FBI and DHS were witnessing the hack real time, there would be no way of capturing evidence clearly showing a Russian entity is behind that hack. It's all just speculation at that point. If these are hackers commissioned by Putin, he chose amateurs to do what a proficient 16 year old hacker could do with good equipment.

We've been at this point twice now in Obama's second term, I was surprised no one was talking nuclear war last year when NATO and the US were making aggressive moves near the Russian border. It only picked up (talk of war) when people were going hysterical after Trump won. Nothing has changed for a year and a half now, maybe people relaxed a bit at the start of this year. Most won't be as relaxed this new year though, while Obama is seeing how much he can ruin a country and even the world in 20 days.
So you can't answer a simple question apart from suggesting a 'proficient 16 year old'?
Must admit, I have known some 16 year old hackers but none that could hack 50,000 emails in such a short time and also to know when to selectively release both in time and quantity.
I have no doubt that a large number of countries do use hackers but haven't seen any that publicly release to damage one side.
Maybe Trump is squeaky clean? nah, doubt it.
Anyway, one thing is for sure I am really looking forward to seeing the C grade actor at his first press conference with international reporters.
He doesn't seem to like live press conferences much, has he done any lately?
 
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So you can't answer a simple question apart from guesting a 'proficient 16 year old'?
Must admit, I have known some 16 year old hackers but none that could hack 50,000 emails in such a short time and also to know when to selectively release both in time and quantity.
I have no doubt that a large number of countries do use hackers but haven't seen any that publicly release to damage one side.
Maybe Trump is squeaky clean? nah, doubt it.
Anyway, one thing is for sure I am really looking forward to seeing the C grade actor at his first press conference with international reporters.
He doesn't seem to like live press conferences much, has he done any lately?
Putin on the other hand loves live press conferences. No notes he fronts the entire world media and answers their questions in marathon 2-3 hour sessions. A man who knows his brief.

I reckon if he could put his name on the US presidential election in 2020 he woul romp it in. What do you think?
 

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Trump as President needs to be taken seriously, his supporters less so, and it won't be long before they realise he's played them for fools.
Really? I think the opposite

People like Trump are always around in every country in every age, it's just that not all people are stupid enough to voluntarily vote them into power. America has half the country that would do that, the same guys who voted Bush in twice. Even when Trump is gone you can't guarantee these blokes don't vote in someone worse, as hard as it is to imagine. Problem isn't Trump per se, it's that half of America
 

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Putin on the other hand loves live press conferences. No notes he fronts the entire world media and answers their questions in marathon 2-3 hour sessions. A man who knows his brief.

I reckon if he could put his name on the US presidential election in 2020 he woul romp it in. What do you think?
Why can you not reply to posts but deflect with irrelevance?
 

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Weren't we told Trump was anti-Semitic? Now he is Israel's best friend!
I wish the media would make up its mind.
They said Trump would not except the election result if he lost and go all stupid but then it was Hillary's team which has had the mother of all tantrums.

They said Trump would cause WW3 but now Obama has expelled 35 Russian diplomats with 72 hours notice and is threatening further un-disclosed action.

Oh God I don't know what to believe
Hark! Way, way over on the right flank! Trump may not be an anti-Semite, but he's happy to lay down with dogs. You know the rest of the saying.

 

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So you can't answer a simple question apart from guesting a 'proficient 16 year old'?
Must admit, I have known some 16 year old hackers but none that could hack 50,000 emails in such a short time and also to know when to selectively release both in time and quantity.
I have no doubt that a large number of countries do use hackers but haven't seen any that publicly release to damage one side.
Maybe Trump is squeaky clean? nah, doubt it.
Anyway, one thing is for sure I am really looking forward to seeing the C grade actor at his first press conference with international reporters.
He doesn't seem to like live press conferences much, has he done any lately?
Do I have seized computers with evidence on them? Do I have ISP date for evidence? Does the us government?
I can't make an allegation if I don't have solid evidence to back up my claims. If you study hacking cases, those two things are what is required to prosecute anyone in a court of law.

This is the reason why people will fall for fake news, they read and believe anything presented to them. (Yes that includes the government).

The emails were on a private server. Once you're in, you have access to every email sent by Clinton and her minions.

But the hacked emails weren't the only leaked info from the Dems. There were insiders in the DNC that leaked info too. Maybe Obama should sanction them too or just make sure they commit suicide shooting themselves in the back of the head 30 times.
 

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Do I have seized computers with evidence on them? Do I have ISP date for evidence? Does the us government?
I can't make an allegation if I don't have solid evidence to back up my claims. If you study hacking cases, those two things are what is required to prosecute anyone in a court of law.

This is the reason why people will fall for fake news, they read and believe anything presented to them. (Yes that includes the government).

The emails were on a private server. Once you're in, you have access to every email sent by Clinton and her minions.

But the hacked emails weren't the only leaked info from the Dems. There were insiders in the DNC that leaked info too. Maybe Obama should sanction them too or just make sure they commit suicide shooting themselves in the back of the head 30 times.
Try again... to much irrelevance.
 

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Putin's response to Obama's sanctions is hilariously clever. His refusal to retaliate against the US has left Obama looking petulant. I think that Obama overplayed his hand here and Trump will still be able to lift the sanctions without too much criticism. Putin is doing pretty well to reinvent himself in the western world as a more caring and sympathetic leader than he had been seen to be even 2 years ago.
 
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Putin on the other hand loves live press conferences. No notes he fronts the entire world media and answers their questions in marathon 2-3 hour sessions. A man who knows his brief.

I reckon if he could put his name on the US presidential election in 2020 he woul romp it in. What do you think?
Only if, like in Russia, he can jail any opposition. He is a corrupt criminal. He talks the big Russian bear talk. But he has seen the virtual destruction of the Russian Economy & still made $billions.Russia is a economic skeleton which carries a big stick. Military, gas, oil & cabbage is all they've got. Putin strokes the Russian Nationalist ego but drains its finances. Hes a big & nasty version of Trump.
People call Hillary corrupt. Ha!
 
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I think you're willing to overlook his worst excesses for reasons I can't even begin to fathom.
How bout we wait until he takes office first?....You know, See what he actually does first.....Just a 'crazy' notion, I know.
 
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Really? I think the opposite

People like Trump are always around in every country in every age, it's just that not all people are stupid enough to voluntarily vote them into power. America has half the country that would do that, the same guys who voted Bush in twice. Even when Trump is gone you can't guarantee these blokes don't vote in someone worse, as hard as it is to imagine. Problem isn't Trump per se, it's that half of America
If it helps your world-view, only a quarter of eligible Americans voted for Trump.
So you can't answer a simple question apart from suggesting a 'proficient 16 year old'?
Must admit, I have known some 16 year old hackers but none that could hack 50,000 emails in such a short time and also to know when to selectively release both in time and quantity.
I have no doubt that a large number of countries do use hackers but haven't seen any that publicly release to damage one side.
Maybe Trump is squeaky clean? nah, doubt it.
Anyway, one thing is for sure I am really looking forward to seeing the C grade actor at his first press conference with international reporters.
He doesn't seem to like live press conferences much, has he done any lately?
Some of the hacking wasn't that hard, and the number of emails isn't that important. Podesta (or an aide) literally typed their gmail password into a form which was sent to the hacker. The presentation of the email that tricked them was good enough to fool one of their IT guides, who's excuse was that he meant to say it was an illegitimate email but typed the opposite (weakest excuse ever). The hack of the DNC was far more sophisticated, and the cybersecurity firms who analysed them were highly complimentary of the two groups who got into their system.

The spin about it being a '400 pound guy in his bedroom' once again shows how little people like Trump think of their supporters. Of course the trick of it is to give the extra detail about the least likely option. So by giving the visual of a fat guy in New Jersey, people can imagine it. Whereas the detailed explanations of the Russian Cosy Bear and Fancy Bear groups from the cybersecurity firms is harder to imagine.

And Eliteflyboy is talking out his hat - ignore him.
 

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If it helps your world-view, only a quarter of eligible Americans voted for Trump.
He won 30+ states, that's half the country, if it helps your world view

He also got more votes than Romney running an insane campaign, who by all accounts was a "moderate conservative". Everything points to America having a big portion of the country that are receptive to Trump's rhetoric
 
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He won 30+ states, that's half the country, if it helps your world view

He also got more votes than Romney running an insane campaign, who by all accounts was a "moderate conservative". Everything points to America having a big portion of the country that are receptive to Trump's rhetoric
Maybe the people just want all the insane wars to end?....And for the govt to cease wasting their taxes on them & start spending them at home on the people who pay them....Including the crumbling infrastructure, whereby Michigan residents don't even have clean drinking water!
 

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Try again... to much irrelevance.
What's irrelevant about wanting physical evidence (seized computers) and ISP data? Is that too much to ask of a government who enters sovereign territories to bring "democracy"?

I'm not going to pigeon hole a country and say they did it until the US government has irrefutable proof which can be verified by multiple independent sources. Keyword being independent, not colluding sources. I certainly haven't closed the door to the possiblility of Russian hacking but it seems that's what the US government and their propaganda media wants people to believe. Seriously, if you fall for that after, words coming out from none other than Obama saying there was, is, and won't be any rigging and no Russian involvement, a month before the elections, I don't know what else to say.

I'd rather trust a poor man on the streets with my money than a lying two faced politican that has an ego so big, he thinks no one will think twice about him lying in their face.
 
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Putin's response to Obama's sanctions is hilariously clever. His refusal to retaliate against the US has left Obama looking petulant. I think that Obama overplayed his hand here and Trump will still be able to lift the sanctions without too much criticism. Putin is doing pretty well to reinvent himself in the western world as a more caring and sympathetic leader than he had been seen to be even 2 years ago.
The spin about it making Obama look bad is fanciful. You may as well say that it is a declaration of guilt from Putin. Both are overly optimistic portrayals. The point about it making it easier for Putin to work with Trump makes far more sense.
He won 30+ states, that's half the country, if it helps your world view

He also got more votes than Romney running an insane campaign, who by all accounts was a "moderate conservative". Everything points to America having a big portion of the country that are receptive to Trump's rhetoric
Yes. It's undoubtedly a problem. But he didn't convince half the country (25.1% last time I checked), nor even half the voters, and that aspect is helpful for my optimistic world-view.
 
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