List Mgmt. 2016 Trade and Free Agency Targets Inner Sanctum Thread. Part 3

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The trade period can drive me mad and cause me to consider "selling the farm" to contribute to our rebuild. But with the confirmation of Steele's request I really do think we have to consider trading Armitage if he is willing.

He has helped to carry our midfield for a few years, doing the tough stuff, and I love the way he goes about it. He seems to be the only logical trade out option worth anything (aside from a ruck, although Bains shot that down and they'll be worth equal or more in future years).

His age means he likely won't be part of our next premiership tilt, or would be going backwards.

More importantly, we now look to have secured Steele, Dunstan and Ross as these sort of Bulls (all of whom can rightfully be expected to improve their game this year). Armo would still have some value this year, as discussed. I would be looking to exploit the GCS draft position if possible. Armo is a perfect fit for them and they have more picks than they want/need.

It will be interesting to see what we do.

Steele's addition means we have yet another midfielder that can rest forward. In a few years we will have Billings, Gresh, Acres and Steele all floating through the forward line being dangerous when they need a rest. The interchange cap is only likely to descrease as times go on, so these players are dangerous.
 

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The trade period can drive me mad and cause me to consider "selling the farm" to contribute to our rebuild. But with the confirmation of Steele's request I really do think we have to consider trading Armitage if he is willing.

He has helped to carry our midfield for a few years, doing the tough stuff, and I love the way he goes about it. He seems to be the only logical trade out option worth anything (aside from a ruck, although Bains shot that down and they'll be worth equal or more in future years).

His age means he likely won't be part of our next premiership tilt, or would be going backwards.

More importantly, we now look to have secured Steele, Dunstan and Ross as these sort of Bulls (all of whom can rightfully be expected to improve their game this year). Armo would still have some value this year, as discussed. I would be looking to exploit the GCS draft position if possible. Armo is a perfect fit for them and they have more picks than they want/need.

It will be interesting to see what we do.

Steele's addition means we have yet another midfielder that can rest forward. In a few years we will have Billings, Gresh, Acres and Steele all floating through the forward line being dangerous when they need a rest. The interchange cap is only likely to descrease as times go on, so these players are dangerous.
Was stated on trade radio that loosing Armitage defeats the purpose of getting Steele. I don't often agree with them but I think they have a point here.
 

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The trade period can drive me mad and cause me to consider "selling the farm" to contribute to our rebuild. But with the confirmation of Steele's request I really do think we have to consider trading Armitage if he is willing.

He has helped to carry our midfield for a few years, doing the tough stuff, and I love the way he goes about it. He seems to be the only logical trade out option worth anything (aside from a ruck, although Bains shot that down and they'll be worth equal or more in future years).

His age means he likely won't be part of our next premiership tilt, or would be going backwards.

More importantly, we now look to have secured Steele, Dunstan and Ross as these sort of Bulls (all of whom can rightfully be expected to improve their game this year). Armo would still have some value this year, as discussed. I would be looking to exploit the GCS draft position if possible. Armo is a perfect fit for them and they have more picks than they want/need.

It will be interesting to see what we do.

Steele's addition means we have yet another midfielder that can rest forward. In a few years we will have Billings, Gresh, Acres and Steele all floating through the forward line being dangerous when they need a rest. The interchange cap is only likely to descrease as times go on, so these players are dangerous.
Thanks Darce ;)

I agree though Okey, but only at the right cost and I wouldn't want to shop him around either. Gold Coast would need to come to us and say "Pick 8 for Armo" and he'd need to be happy with the deal.

No player disharmony, it's more important than how many picks we take.
 

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Was stated on trade radio that loosing Armitage defeats the purpose of getting Steele. I don't often agree with them but I think they have a point here.
I don't really buy that given the similarities in style. I think, in general, if you do or do not want to trade Armo depends on your 'cycle', what your perceptions are of next year, and longer term preferences.
 
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Was stated on trade radio that loosing Armitage defeats the purpose of getting Steele. I don't often agree with them but I think they have a point here.
Armitage is 29 and I don't think he'll be there when we plan to contend. I think Bains said on the radio the other day that where halfway through our rebuild so I do think Armitage is tradeable for something like Pick 10 for Pick 8 and Pick 21
 

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Armitage is 29 and I don't think he'll be there when we plan to contend. I think Bains said on the radio the other day that where halfway through our rebuild so I do think Armitage is tradeable for something like Pick 10 for Pick 8 and Pick 21
God I hope we are planning on contending in 2017/2018, if we improve as much as we did this year next year good chance to finish from 8th - 5th. Dogs won the flag from 7th
 

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Was stated on trade radio that loosing Armitage defeats the purpose of getting Steele. I don't often agree with them but I think they have a point here.
To be fair. So far with nothing to talk about, they havent done a bad job except for Cam Luke. Even Purple and Wallet have been pretty good.
 

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Armitage is 29 and I don't think he'll be there when we plan to contend. I think Bains said on the radio the other day that where halfway through our rebuild so I do think Armitage is tradeable for something like Pick 10 for Pick 8 and Pick 21
Armo can play to 32 or 33 so you are saying we wont contend until 2021?

Bloody hell WTF is the team gunna do for the next four years?

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I was obviously a bit bored and watch a whole lot of NEAFL games to see him on YouTube. He's a very good player at that level but he's not exciting like Blake. He's more meat and potatoes than Acres possibly more consistent though. He should be a good player but he's not as exciting as some are making out. I'm not trying to be a downer but I think he should be seen as a project not a ready made gun or we will have a scape goat on our hands when he doesn't play like Ablett from day one.
Not knocking your post mate, you have to remember It was steeles second season of AFL football this year, with absolutely no continuity what so ever in terms of stringing games together in a row.

Acres in his second year bearly did anything. People on this forum were saying trade him.

Seb Ross in his second year was unsighted. Look at him now.

tones of improvement & development left in Steele & you won't start seeing the best of him for another 3 seasons.

But the fact that he was GWS's 23rd man with all there depth & talent tells me everything I need to know.
 

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For us to trade Armo the offer would have to be seriously good you'd think, highly highly doubt we'd trade him just for the sake of getting a second rounder
This. He has a very similar value to barlow so a god father offer isnt going to happen.

Anyways its about consolidation for us now not a bit parts fire sale
 

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I understand your reticence, with his idea, but we have to believe that we will go further next year, so we will be further away from grabbing a gun midfielder.

If there is a RFA next year that we want, our SC will still be able to blow just about everyone else out of water, if it is feasible.
The difference being though, we aren't currently missing POTENTIAL gun midfielders.... IE the ones you get from high draft picks. We've got plenty of those.

What we're missing is established ALREADY gun midfielders.

That's why we've set aside our pile of money.

By all accounts picks 8 and 14 this year aren't going to get us elite top shelf midfielder talent... They would help our depth sure... But mid depth isn't our issue now with ross, acres, steele, gresh etc coming on.

It's that top end million bucks a year talent we're missing.

Our major focus now needs to be on getting a youngish established gun mid or two.

A treloar to pies type deal would be ideal.

If we take ourselves out of the first round next year to just add good midfield depth this year....
It will hurt our chances of fixing our real problem which is lack of top shelf elite mid talent
 

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One thing I've been thinking in recent weeks is how a couple of the best teams this year had someone who was previously seen as a "mid" playing pretty much exclusively forward and doing exceptionally well there, in Clay Smith for WB, and Toby Greene for GWS (won their B&F and kicked 40+!) and after Armo did a good job playing a largely similar role at the end of 2014 (when he played mostly forward in the last 7 weeks and kicked 8 goals and had over 20 disposals each week, while still posting very good CP and clearance numbers), I've been wondering whether he could become our version of them in a couple of year's time- when others like Ross, Acres, Steele, Dunstan and co. have taken over the midfield.

He would bring the defensive pressure and tackling that Richo would love, he's strong overhead, is strong and uses his body well and cleverly in 1-on-1 marking contests, is as good a set shot for goal as anyone in the team, would be as good at roving off the packs as anyone and like he did at the end of 2014, would still probably be able to get his 20 possies a week- especially if he had occasional stints in the middle.

If he was able to average over 20 disposals, 5 tackles, about 10 CP's and a goal a game playing mostly forward for those weeks in the team that won the spoon, imagine what sort of numbers he could post now that he's taken his game to a new level overall since then (prior to his injury and/or lack of preseason-affected year this year) and in a team who's having perhaps 20 more inside 50's per game than we were then?

I don't see any reason why he wouldn't be able to kick 30, if not 35 goals, or even more if he was played pretty much exclusively forward and he'd probably average his 20 possies per game and bring great defensive pressure to the area.
 

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Was stated on trade radio that loosing Armitage defeats the purpose of getting Steele. I don't often agree with them but I think they have a point here.
I don't fully agree. Getting Steele means you've found a 7 year younger replacement for Armitage. Not nearly as good now, but hopefully is by the time we're challenging. With that insider mid need now (practically) met, could be an opportunity to move Armitage on to fill an additional midfield need. Again, when we're challenging an additional 2016 draftee might be really beneficial. Not saying do it, but I can see the merit.
 
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God I hope we are planning on contending in 2017/2018, if we improve as much as we did this year next year good chance to finish from 8th - 5th. Dogs won the flag from 7th
I hope we plan to rebuild as we originally did and not get caught up with what the Dogs did this year, we still have a few holes in our list that we need to fix. I think if we made top 8 next year, won a final in 2018, top 4 2019 and contend onwards from there would be a good goal. I just see Armitage getting overtaken in that time and I think we want 3 top 30 picks in this years draft, Longer has been put off the table so I just don't see who else we could trade that has value.
Armo can play to 32 or 33 so you are saying we wont contend until 2021?

Bloody hell WTF is the team gunna do for the next four years?

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Armitage could easily play to that age but he already dropped off a bit this season, but he was playing with an injury so it'll be interesting to see how he goes.
I hope we start to push for the top 4 in 2018/19 and Armitage could easily be overtaken by a midfield of Acres, Steele, Ross, Gresham, Dunstan, Steven plus whoever we draft or trade in during that period. Bains said the other day we want 3 top 30 picks and he also ruled out trading Longer so I just see Armitage as being a player that has a bit of value and we could trade out to get those 3 top 30 picks.
 

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with steele agreeing to come to our club, dempster re-signing and the delistings that have already occurred, we currently have the following spots free:
1 Senior spot
2 Rookie spots

The following players are out of contract:
Fisher
Shenton
Lee
Murdoch
Templeton

at a minimum i can see 2 of the 5 going. i dont think there will be any rookie upgrades. we could look at moving a player to the rookie list similar to what happened with saunders
 

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To back up your argument - love him or hate him, ross lyon is a senior AFL coach and he reckons you're right.

http://m.afl.com.au/news/2016-10-09/fremantle-lost-its-identity-as-a-team-in-2016-says-ross-lyon

He reckons the pre finals bye has changed everything and top 4 wont mean squat.
Hard to disagree with Ross. I also tend to think that Freo will be a serious top 8 contender next year.

The additions of Fyfe, Sandilands, Bennell, Johnson, B Hill and C McCarthy is nothing at all to sneeze at.
 
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