List Mgmt. 2016 Trade and Free Agency Targets Part 1

Who do you hope we target?

  • Daniel Rich - Brisbane Lions (Free Agent)

    Votes: 21 7.5%
  • Jaeger O'Meara - Gold Coast Suns (Trade)

    Votes: 112 40.1%
  • Dion Prestia - Gold Coast Suns (Trade)

    Votes: 53 19.0%
  • Tom Lynch - Gold Coast Suns(Trade)

    Votes: 24 8.6%
  • Ollie Wines - Port (Trade)

    Votes: 55 19.7%
  • Other

    Votes: 65 23.3%
  • Peter Wright - Gold Coast Suns (Trade)

    Votes: 23 8.2%
  • Tom Rockliff

    Votes: 15 5.4%

  • Total voters
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FlyingSledghamer

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I love Armo and Longer but FWIW we have Seb, Dunstan and Acres as inside mids all U23, with Seb avg 27 disposals and Dunstan 18 to Armo's 21 this year. Also we have Hickey and Pierce (who I always thought had something) are looking really good and we have rucking depth.
As such I wouldn't be against the idea of trading them if the right offer came our way (1st rd picks)
If I was Ameet maybe look at something of a similar deal to what GWS did with Carlton last year or the dees a few years back.
If we end up with say pick 6 and trade armo for lets say 12ish and Longer for 16ish then:
12 + 16 to GWS for Marchbank, Steele, Ahern
2017 1st to WC for Gaff + Lamb

Go to Draft with 6, Rd 3 pick, Rd 4 pick

In: Steele, Marchbank, Ahern, Gaff, Lamb
Out: Armo, Longer, 2017 1st
It would be a shame to trade armo now. You can just tell that when were challenging again he'll still be in his prime and hed be one of those bull veteran mids that pulls out that herculean type efforts that drag teams over the line..
IMO we will never trade Armo.
 

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It would be a shame to trade armo now. You can just tell that when were challenging again he'll still be in his prime and hed be one of those bull veteran mids that pulls out that herculean type efforts that drag teams over the line..
IMO we will never trade Armo.
Im not saying I dont love the guy its just if he net us a gun mid that will be 23/25 in our prime years then it may be considered
 

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I love Armo and Longer but FWIW we have Seb, Dunstan and Acres as inside mids all U23, with Seb avg 27 disposals and Dunstan 18 to Armo's 21 this year. Also we have Hickey and Pierce (who I always thought had something) are looking really good and we have rucking depth.
As such I wouldn't be against the idea of trading them if the right offer came our way (1st rd picks)
If I was Ameet maybe look at something of a similar deal to what GWS did with Carlton last year or the dees a few years back.
If we end up with say pick 6 and trade armo for lets say 12ish and Longer for 16ish then:
12 + 16 to GWS for Marchbank, Steele, Ahern
2017 1st to WC for Gaff + Lamb

Go to Draft with 6, Rd 3 pick, Rd 4 pick

In: Steele, Marchbank, Ahern, Gaff, Lamb
Out: Armo, Longer, 2017 1st
It looks very tempting but it would be unlikely to eventuate, that should set you up with a very good chance at a great side but you lose a great team man in Armo.
 

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So again he isn't obviously quality if you say we are quality players short and you want to trade him. Value maybe in the eyes of the beholder but trading a mid to hope to get another mid makes little sense when we have 3 ruckmen and only one plays. Surely if we need to trade and they get similar value then a ruckman goes before a mid.
The trades are not mutually exclusive. If a trade for Armo was done, we could still pursue a trade for Longer if we thought it would help land another potential gun mid. I am not advocating gutting the list, but we do need a few bold trades to come off as the state off our list still looks way short of being able to compete with the best in a couple of years. I think we should be exploring all options, there is no rule that limits you to 1 trade a season. Each trade option should be treated on individual merit. If it makes sense, then do it. We shouldn't wait for somebody to come up with a nice offer for a player on our list we feel is surplus to our needs. That deal may never arrive.

Also, whilst we might be trading a mid for a mid, Armo will be 30+ when we a genuine challenger so I am not sure it really is the zero sum game you hypothesise. If the deal was right I would have no issue taking the punt and trying to pick up another young gun mid. Might work, might not work but unless Armo reemerges as the clearance beast he was last year, he can actually be covered fairly easily IMO. The form of Ross this year really changes the look of our list, we are actually starting to build some reasonable depth through the middle now. Steven, Dunstan, Ross, Montagna, Gresham and Acres hopefully to get better, with potentially Billings and Sinclair to rotate more through the middle next year. For depth we are tracking okay, we are just missing 2 absolute elite mids.

It is unlikely a first round offer would be on the table for Armo anyway, but it is not impossible. Personally, I think it is more likely we get that kind of pick for Armo than Longer and there is no point trading Longer for a pick in the 20's+. Who is going to cough up a decent pick for a bloke who can't run out a game at the moment or pick up more than 10 possessions in the VFL?
 

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Armo & Longer for Richmond's first & third picks?
I would've thought that's way unders.... Richmond were offering pick 12 for armo alone last year. Not sure longer is worth a third rounder!! Kidding yourself!!! Why do we have to trade in or out anything this year? Obviously that would fast track anything but we've done that and it's been good but I don't see we need to go trading out or in all these guys just yet!! Seems silly to trade for the sake of it.
 

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I would've thought that's way unders.... Richmond were offering pick 12 for armo alone last year. Not sure longer is worth a third rounder!! Kidding yourself!!! Why do we have to trade in or out anything this year? Obviously that would fast track anything but we've done that and it's been good but I don't see we need to go trading out or in all these guys just yet!! Seems silly to trade for the sake of it.
Agreed. Would want two mid to end first rounders for two players like that at least.
 
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My tip is Dunstan takes another step by the end of the year.
Ross cements himself as a true top tier mid with Steven and Armitage.

That leaves us with an okay top end midfield. Our spine then looks really strong, which is key.

Then we're left in the unenviable position of being forced to try and bring in elite talent via trade/free agency, which is always the hardest one to pull off.

If we're going to win a flag this list build I think we need to get super lucky with a few guys unexpectedly becoming truly elite (maybe Ross, Dunstan, Steven, McCartin) or lucking out with a blockbuster trade/FA ala Dangerfield at the Cats.
 

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My tip is Dunstan takes another step by the end of the year.
Ross cements himself as a true top tier mid with Steven and Armitage.

That leaves us with an okay top end midfield. Our spine then looks really strong, which is key.

Then we're left in the unenviable position of being forced to try and bring in elite talent via trade/free agency, which is always the hardest one to pull off.

If we're going to win a flag this list build I think we need to get super lucky with a few guys unexpectedly becoming truly elite (maybe Ross, Dunstan, Steven, McCartin) or lucking out with a blockbuster trade/FA ala Dangerfield at the Cats.
St kilda have always had elite! Have always had champs come through the ranks! I have no doubt the next guys are there! Maybe it's billings. Maybe it's Lonie! Maybe it's white and we haven't seen him just yet! But agree with what you are saying! I think from what others are saying it would be remiss to start trading known talent for speculative talent in the draft.... I was all for trading earlier in the year. You know looking for the next McEvoy deal. But I don't think we have it. The only thing that could change is if billy doesn't re-sign and wants out! This changes things. Until then I don't think we should be trading away those types... Yes trade fringe for opportunities if that's the case but as it's been stated here our fringe might not be worth much!

Plus mate if you don't think Steven is elite already you don't know what your watching!
 

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Has St Kilda actually ever recruited a superstar to come from another club and they remain a Superstar? Just interested from a history perspective. I can't think of one in my time of following the Saints. That is over 50 years now. :eek: All our Superstars have been home grown. Arrived young.

Jezza was cooked. Bill Barrott amounted to nothing. Rest were ok middle tier players. John McIntosh from WA in pre-AFL days maybe. Baldock was probably a superstar in Tassie, but Stewart , Howell etc weren't that well known. Winmar hadn't shown much.

These are different times I suppose with the GWS situation. But it happens once in a blue moon. Reckon we'll just keep quietly building, getting players that properly fit. Draft and Moneyball types.

We never got an Ablett, Lockett (!), Cable, Farmer, Moore. Baldock the only one perhaps, and he arrived a year before I started following the Saints.

I'm not really getting my hopes up...... Bit by bit.
 

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The trades are not mutually exclusive. If a trade for Armo was done, we could still pursue a trade for Longer if we thought it would help land another potential gun mid. I am not advocating gutting the list, but we do need a few bold trades to come off as the state off our list still looks way short of being able to compete with the best in a couple of years. I think we should be exploring all options, there is no rule that limits you to 1 trade a season. Each trade option should be treated on individual merit. If it makes sense, then do it. We shouldn't wait for somebody to come up with a nice offer for a player on our list we feel is surplus to our needs. That deal may never arrive.

Also, whilst we might be trading a mid for a mid, Armo will be 30+ when we a genuine challenger so I am not sure it really is the zero sum game you hypothesise. If the deal was right I would have no issue taking the punt and trying to pick up another young gun mid. Might work, might not work but unless Armo reemerges as the clearance beast he was last year, he can actually be covered fairly easily IMO. The form of Ross this year really changes the look of our list, we are actually starting to build some reasonable depth through the middle now. Steven, Dunstan, Ross, Montagna, Gresham and Acres hopefully to get better, with potentially Billings and Sinclair to rotate more through the middle next year. For depth we are tracking okay, we are just missing 2 absolute elite mids.

It is unlikely a first round offer would be on the table for Armo anyway, but it is not impossible. Personally, I think it is more likely we get that kind of pick for Armo than Longer and there is no point trading Longer for a pick in the 20's+. Who is going to cough up a decent pick for a bloke who can't run out a game at the moment or pick up more than 10 possessions in the VFL?


What confuses me is there is all these negatives about Armo as a player yet some think we can get a first rounder for him. I know you said doubtful bit others have said as high as pick 12. I don't see how you can have these negatives but hope for a high pick. IMO we missed the boat with Armo. If we wanted to trade him it had to be in the previous 2 seasons. I wouldn't have done it but as you say he is getting older and his form is now only fair. I now think Armo is more value to us than trading but I'm sure like most players the club will look at options.

As for Longer well the difference is we have maybe 3 capable ruckmen and inly one plays each week. We cant even fit the fourth of the ruckman in the sandy side. Again I'm sure the club and maybe even the player will look at options.
 

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Armo is a warrior. Playing hurt yet still doing the nasty inside work that few notice.

He's a heart & soul player & the type that you DO NOT TRADE.

I bet there a fair few on here that can barely get to Tuesday each week before you've already used your two SuperCoach trades for the week!

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