List Mgmt. 2016 Trade and Free Agency Targets Part 1

Who do you hope we target?

  • Daniel Rich - Brisbane Lions (Free Agent)

    Votes: 21 7.5%
  • Jaeger O'Meara - Gold Coast Suns (Trade)

    Votes: 112 40.1%
  • Dion Prestia - Gold Coast Suns (Trade)

    Votes: 53 19.0%
  • Tom Lynch - Gold Coast Suns(Trade)

    Votes: 24 8.6%
  • Ollie Wines - Port (Trade)

    Votes: 55 19.7%
  • Other

    Votes: 65 23.3%
  • Peter Wright - Gold Coast Suns (Trade)

    Votes: 23 8.2%
  • Tom Rockliff

    Votes: 15 5.4%

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I can see both sides of argument with O'Meara.
The question Ameet and Trout continually ask themselves is this:
"Will we be able to win a premiership against GWS if we don't take some high risk, high reward list management decisions"?
I don't think we can compete with the ridiculously talented list up there unless we take some calculated risks in adding elite talent.
IF O'Meara plays footy this year and IF our specialists believe he can get back to a high standard then we would be mad to not look into it.
Great call

What did freo give up for bennell surely we wouldnt have to give up as much

I.e. 2nd rounder or late first round down grade
 

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Great call

What did freo give up for bennell surely we wouldnt have to give up as much

I.e. 2nd rounder or late first round down grade
That was my thinking as well, bennel is as talented as they come but due to off field issues his valued decreased.

JOM is also as talented but has injury issues. Late 1st early 2nd is fair.
 
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Great call

What did freo give up for bennell surely we wouldnt have to give up as much

I.e. 2nd rounder or late first round down grade
Bennell had/has some SERIOUS off field issues, hence why Freo got what many outside of clubs thought to be a bargain.
I don't think we can compare the two.
Next years first would be a good starting point in my opinion.
Just remember that before his injury good judges were saying he would be one of the very best mids we've seen.
 

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The list we are putting together have a very solid base of consistant AFL performers. The kids, while not being superstars will have our bottom six players stronger than probably at any time since the VFL became the AFL.
We need top end talent to compliment this very solid base.
See, I don't quite understand this type of comment Joff. History is littered with examples of players who have developed into superstars, but were only good players early in their career (Watson, Priddis, Fyfe, Parker, Gray, Kennedy (Swans), Ward etc)

For every Bont or Chad there are 10 Watsons that are more "slow-burn" types.

I wouldn't be writing any of the young kids off as just consistent AFL performers just yet.
 

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Bennell had/has some SERIOUS off field issues, hence why Freo got what many outside of clubs thought to be a bargain.
I don't think we can compare the two.
Next years first would be a good starting point in my opinion.
Just remember that before his injury good judges were saying he would be one of the very best mids we've seen.


Exactly. Cant compare the 2 at all. Bennell is similar to Yarran in that off field issues were always going to be a problem. JOM has no issues like that but has an injury issue. We paid about pick 26 for Freeman who has never played a game and some are suggesting we pay around 5 or 6 spots less for a proven star. It isn't going to happen. Its going to be a top 5 pick unless the leg completely goes again this year. If he doesn't play this year I would hope we aren't part of it unless Freeman is completely clear of injury by the end of this year.
 

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Good luck beating GWS.

They'll be contenders for 10+ years.

Don't really wanna contend whilst they're in their prime.
I am not as fearful as most that GWS just go out and dominate the competition for the next decade. There are too many variables in footy. When the salary cap concessions are phased out they will be forced to trim the list to the absolute best talent they have under the same cap as everybody else.

Granted they will have an unbelievable starting point as their list will be fricking awesome, but from there you have to manage it effectively. History says to stay elevated at the top for an extended period you really need a fair chunk of your list to be playing for under market value. It remains to be seen whether people will be prepared to play for under market value for a plastic club in the burbs of Western Sydney playing in front of mediocre crowds that don't really care.

Also, they are going to keep getting their quality fringe players picked off so their depth is going to start to dwindle down. Don't underestimate the NEAFL factor either. How can you develop young talent in a sub standard league? It is an absolute MASSIVE disadvantage from a development perspective.

Don't get me wrong, I fully expect them to snag a few they could even be in the mix for one as early as this year. However, a sustained period of dominance is never easy, plus it only takes 1 bad finals game to be knocked over in any given year. If I had to guess I reckon they win 3 of the next 6 starting from next year at the most. Still damn good, but other quality sides will most definitely still have a chance on any given day.
 

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See, I don't quite understand this type of comment Joff. History is littered with examples of players who have developed into superstars, but were only good players early in their career (Watson, Priddis, Fyfe, Parker, Gray, Kennedy (Swans), Ward etc)

For every Bont or Chad there are 10 Watsons that are more "slow-burn" types.

I wouldn't be writing any of the young kids off as just consistent AFL performers just yet.
Fair enough, not writing them off at all, but Webster, Newnes, Savage, Hickey, Roberton et all wont be superstars. Doesn't mean they are not capable and valuable AFL footballers who are deserving of a game each week.

Some of them might well develop into a Paul Kelly type superstar (he was ordinary for a long time). My point is that we wont have a team of superstars but our bottom 6-8 players will be of better quality than any of our others when we were competing for a flag.
 

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Bennell had/has some SERIOUS off field issues, hence why Freo got what many outside of clubs thought to be a bargain.
I don't think we can compare the two.
Next years first would be a good starting point in my opinion.
Just remember that before his injury good judges were saying he would be one of the very best mids we've seen.
and JOM is coming back from a very serious knee injury... its a similar scenario, both cary risk IMO
 

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I am not as fearful as most that GWS just go out and dominate the competition for the next decade. There are too many variables in footy. When the salary cap concessions are phased out they will be forced to trim the list to the absolute best talent they have under the same cap as everybody else.

Granted they will have an unbelievable starting point as their list will be fricking awesome, but from there you have to manage it effectively. History says to stay elevated at the top for an extended period you really need a fair chunk of your list to be playing for under market value. It remains to be seen whether people will be prepared to play for under market value for a plastic club in the burbs of Western Sydney playing in front of mediocre crowds that don't really care.

Also, they are going to keep getting their quality fringe players picked off so their depth is going to start to dwindle down. Don't underestimate the NEAFL factor either. How can you develop young talent in a sub standard league? It is an absolute MASSIVE disadvantage from a development perspective.

Don't get me wrong, I fully expect them to snag a few they could even be in the mix for one as early as this year. However, a sustained period of dominance is never easy, plus it only takes 1 bad finals game to be knocked over in any given year. If I had to guess I reckon they win 3 of the next 6 starting from next year at the most. Still damn good, but other quality sides will most definitely still have a chance on any given day.


Actually the best thing that can happen is they win one early whilst we aren't in the race and that pushes the money players will want to stay there and then that cause a fair few to leave. I know people will say players stick together for less money when they win but this isn't s normal club. I'm not expecting that to happen unless they are paid at least their true value. Anyway once you are in a GF you are a chance. We need to get there first before we worry about GWS. To be honest if we don't win it I don't care who really wins. I might on the day but not before.
 

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and JOM is coming back from a very serious knee injury... its a similar scenario, both cary risk IMO
One may be a trade bust because of injury, the other has some very serious issues with lifestyle decisions.
Bennell was exceptionally cheap because he is damaged goods, there's a reason why other clubs quickly lost interest in Bennell after some digging, including
St Kilda.
 

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I am not as fearful as most that GWS just go out and dominate the competition for the next decade. There are too many variables in footy. When the salary cap concessions are phased out they will be forced to trim the list to the absolute best talent they have under the same cap as everybody else.

Granted they will have an unbelievable starting point as their list will be fricking awesome, but from there you have to manage it effectively. History says to stay elevated at the top for an extended period you really need a fair chunk of your list to be playing for under market value. It remains to be seen whether people will be prepared to play for under market value for a plastic club in the burbs of Western Sydney playing in front of mediocre crowds that don't really care.

Also, they are going to keep getting their quality fringe players picked off so their depth is going to start to dwindle down. Don't underestimate the NEAFL factor either. How can you develop young talent in a sub standard league? It is an absolute MASSIVE disadvantage from a development perspective.

Don't get me wrong, I fully expect them to snag a few they could even be in the mix for one as early as this year. However, a sustained period of dominance is never easy, plus it only takes 1 bad finals game to be knocked over in any given year. If I had to guess I reckon they win 3 of the next 6 starting from next year at the most. Still damn good, but other quality sides will most definitely still have a chance on any given day.
People probably said the same for Brisbane we can only do what we can and hope tgey lose the Riverina soon but GWS is a nightmare
 

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This is something myself, Stavro and Ghost have repeatedly told the board for the last 12 months, it's more than a rumour. Will we land him? Who knows, but we won't be paying through the nose for him.
Edit: He's only just turned 22, get him onboard I say.
My (limited yet good) sources have also said we are well into O'Meara. The price depends on what football he plays this year IMO but yes echo what BS has said. Even now unless he plas 6 lots of 3 vote games in the last 6 games of the season it will not be a top 10 pick that is for sure....
 

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One may be a trade bust because of injury, the other has some very serious issues with lifestyle decisions.
Bennell was exceptionally cheap because he is damaged goods, there's a reason why other clubs quickly lost interest in Bennell after some digging, including
St Kilda.
Did Fremantle not do enough digging or did they think they could straighten him out?
 

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My (limited yet good) sources have also said we are well into O'Meara. The price depends on what football he plays this year IMO but yes echo what BS has said. Even now unless he plas 6 lots of 3 vote games in the last 6 games of the season it will not be a top 10 pick that is for sure....
When did he play his last game of AFL ? just dont want to use a first rnd pick on someone with so much risk
 

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When did he play his last game of AFL ? just dont want to use a first rnd pick on someone with so much risk
Someone posted round 23 2014 I think? Yes agreed.

I don't see anyone parting with a pick under 10 for him - certainly not for at best half a season. However if we feel we can get him right or he actually played towards the end of this season, I could see either a 2 for one with GC or a downgrade of our 1st. Would like 2m Peter or Adam Saad also... would really complement our list and enable one of our rucks to be traded...
 

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Someone posted round 23 2014 I think? Yes agreed.

I don't see anyone parting with a pick under 10 for him - certainly not for at best half a season. However if we feel we can get him right or he actually played towards the end of this season, I could see either a 2 for one with GC or a downgrade of our 1st. Would like 2m Peter or Adam Saad also... would really complement our list and enable one of our rucks to be traded...
2m Peter will be some player, was hoping we got him in his draft year
 

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Re; Jaegar

Not withstanding his trade cost.

He is worth one list spot. Freeman is worth one list spot.

If you're lucky & manage a list exceptionally well then you might have a really solid mix of 25-28 players. That's over 10 spots that are made up of speculative kids, blokes who might just fill a role and GOP's that won't make it.

If Jaegar & Freezer never make it back then (excluding the price paid) its just two spots on a list.

I'm not really concerned about having two speculative players on a list of 38....I'd be happy to have Jaegar & Freezer rehabbing with a chance to play than Shenton & Siposs playing at Sandy personally. The list can easily accomodate two players that are projects.

Of course the devil is in the detail of at what price JOM comes at.
 
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Someone posted round 23 2014 I think? Yes agreed.

I don't see anyone parting with a pick under 10 for him - certainly not for at best half a season. However if we feel we can get him right or he actually played towards the end of this season, I could see either a 2 for one with GC or a downgrade of our 1st. Would like 2m Peter or Adam Saad also... would really complement our list and enable one of our rucks to be traded...
Despite JOM's injury & the extended time he's been out of footy I still expect a club to part with their first pick meaning the club that JOM chooses largely dictates his value to an extent. For example if he chooses us & we have pick 8 we likely part with that or our 2017 first rounder.

GC are notoriously difficult to trade with & will demand a lot. They got very good compensation for Dixon, Caddy & Hickey. The only player of quality they let go cheap was Bennell but that was unique circumstances.

Irrelevant of whether JOM plays senior footy this year I fully expect GC to demand 2 x first rounders & sight the Treloar trade as the going rate. After all the posturing I expect 1 x first rounder to be the main component of the deal. The only exception is if JOM has a reoccurrence of his current injury & then his value will further drop.
 

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Guess it all depends whether we get this guy...

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Or this guy...

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At the peak of his early powers he made Dylan Shiel look like Tony Delaney, but while his first two seasons were immense, he hasn't played since Round 23 2014 and there are major MAJOR concerns over his body.

So much of his game was built on being a strong, well-built lad (183cm 86kg) that could win his own ball then burst out of stoppages.

How much of that is left, and how much will his knees take?
 
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