List Mgmt. 2016 Trade and Free Agency Targets Part 2

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Just caught up reading the last few pages.

In reflection, it was a Disappointing trade period really. When Ameet and Trout came out and said we were getting Laverde, Marchbank and Steele it promised to be such an exciting time. Now that the trade period is finished and we have not got any players and have lost our pick 10, Billings and Webster somewhere along the way.I hope we can be competitive and finish at least 17th next year. We then will have an early pick and a heap of cash to finish premiers in 2018
Next year we should have the trade period after the finals IMHO
 

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Just caught up reading the last few pages.

In reflection, it was a Disappointing trade period really. When Ameet and Trout came out and said we were getting Laverde, Marchbank and Steele it promised to be such an exciting time. Now that the trade period is finished and we have not got any players and have lost our pick 10, Billings and Webster somewhere along the way.I hope we can be competitive and finish at least 17th next year. We then will have an early pick and a heap of cash to finish premiers in 2018
Next year we should have the trade period after the finals IMHO
Agreed very disappointing - Ameet must have been pinging at Lambo's house with Bevo the whole time!!!!

Seriously guys we haven't even had the Prelim finals yet and we're writing off trade period already??? I would have liked to have got Laverde, Marchbank I'm a bit meh on as worried about his durability. Def didn't want JOM.

We're still faves for Steele who will be ok from all accounts. There are others whom we don't know about yet. As others mentioned already, look at Carlisle, Robbo, Membrey etc who we got and had no idea beforehand and the list goes on.

If we haven't got anyone in 7 weeks time than yep we can all be disappointed but let's wait shall we?
 
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Still remember your trade melt last year old mate!! It was epic! :D

We are all passionate, I'm actually really bummed about missing out on Laverde myself. I see him as a lot more than a bonus. Of course he is a spud because he 'is going to re-sign' with the injectors, but in reality he would've improved our list and I really rate the kid.

My inner pessimist is actually conjuring up a Dean Cox scenario where in 10 years time we are all saying remember when we almost got him. Of course that's a ridiculous amount of catastrophizing, but let those who want to be bummed get over in their own way.

Marchbank, JOM, well both were injury risks so I never really got my hopes up.

Personally I think we are playing a funny game on here. We are throwing so much mud we are just seeing what sticks. It is strange, we get interest on here for one player he becomes the object of our affection for a fortnight then as soon as he stays with his club we are fed a Rockliff picture to salivate over for the next fortnight, and then Laverde is a spud who we never even knew anyway! If Rocky stays, I'm sure its just going to be someone else who becomes the flavour of next week.

I get emotionally invested in these guys, does that mean I'm trolling if I'm disappointed?

I don't mean to rant but fair go mate, some ppl in here actually want the club to do well and aren't just here to troll oppo campaigners and post gifs of cooked campaigners.
Yes very proud of that melt. One of my finest. At least I waited until actual trade time not three weeks prior.

And could you explain how bein passionate about the club is an excuse for supporters to completely trash not only this coming trade period but the whole 5 year plan? Being passionate doesnt mean having a licence for illogic and completely losing it over a trade period that hasnt even begun.
Everyone is passionate about the Saints, dont think that is an excuse to throw the baby out with the bathwater.
And I dont think I posted everyone disappointed is trolling. I did say concern troll which is different.
I would have liked Laverde, I think and Marchbank if he can string two games together but it didnt happen.
Still 5 teams in the finals. Who knows who will shake loose.
Oh BTW melt all you like during actual trade period. It is what it is for.;)

Cheers mate
 

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1. Use pick 10 in the draft on an elite kid.
2. Get a pick ~25 for longer.
3. Pick 25 + 46 for Steele and get pick 33 back.
4. Use pick 33 in the draft on a kid
would be a solid result. I see a bit more being traded out (at least Eli & Longer, and maybe more), for a little more coming in, but pretty solid.
 

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I'm a bit hesitant about using our 1st pick on Rockliff, I would rather use our 1st on Steele an Finlayson, if that how it transpires, to me that helps with 2 of our needs.

As long as it doesn't end up looking like a Carlton 2 for one.
See what your saying fill 2 needs.
But you could get those two for a second
 

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Rocky would be nice but will just cost too much. It's a no for me.

I don't want to see us give up at least pick 10 and a player for a guy who will only be here for 3 or 4 decent years.

Pick 10 to the draft
Steele for 2017 2nd
Billy for nothing worse than 23 or he stays
Emac for our 3rd this year
Smack ten colours of shit outta FA next year with a massive war chest. I'm looking at you dylan / jelly.

Put our feet up boys. Job done
They aren't fas
 
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It's disappointing to not nab one of the players putting their hands up for trade but we're a fair way out from commencing trade period so plenty to play out. Rocky is an interesting one. Elite accumulator yet not damaging. It may put us in the position circa 09, 10 where elite speed & line breaking is a deficiency so we get Brett Peake. FML. I'd rather go the other way and trust Dunstan, Seb, Armo et al to feed it out to a runner. Recruiting a do-it all type in the ilk of DMartin, Fyfe, Danger, Bont, Parker would be money better spent. Not that they're available, just highlighting a point. They make a significant difference to their respective teams and money well spent.

Brions lol'd at Rockliff's $ demand. Possibly a ploy similar to Laverde to drive up the $

In Ameet and Trout we trust.
 

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Seems a bit of a 'scatter gun' approach to recruiting at this stage. I can understand the interest in Laverde but you get the feeling the Club got played by Connors/Laverde and it seems once again Essendon walk away laughing. We seem to be having a bite at every one who comes on the market and thieves like Connors know we $$$ to spend in the cap and taking advantage of it.

On the flip side I see much more of a future in Laverde than Tom Rockliff, he is just the wrong age dynamic to be using a 1st round pick on IMO.

Go after Dion Prestia Saints at least he can run!
I think I mentioned it a few weeks ago, Bainsy and Trout have gone fishing
 

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It's disappointing to not nab one of the players putting their hands up for trade but we're a fair way out from commencing trade period so plenty to play out. Rocky is an interesting one. Elite accumulator yet not damaging. It may put us in the position circa 09, 10 where elite speed & line breaking is a deficiency so we get Brett Peake. FML. I'd rather go the other way and trust Dunstan, Seb, Armo et al to feed it out to a runner. Recruiting a do-it all type in the ilk of DMartin, Fyfe, Danger, Bont, Parker would be money better spent. Not that they're available, just highlighting a point. They make a significant difference to their respective teams and money well spent.

Brions lol'd at Rockliff's $ demand. Possibly a ploy similar to Laverde to drive up the $

In Ameet and Trout we trust.
I reckon there are very few times you ever get an elite quality player out of a club. If he's gettable you would have a go, He is a good tackler so he's not one way, he would probably take a spot now held by Minch or wright and send Dunstan forward as a rotation. If you replaced Minch with Rockliff this year we would have been top 4 as we probably win 5 more games. Everyone seems to want to wait in a period of eternal rejuvenation but I reckon you have to go for it when you have a chance because it can all end pretty quickly. Martin, Fyfe, Bont and Parker would cost serious money even if their original clubs decided they couldn't match the offer when they hit FA. You are also trying to convince a player that out of all the others you are the best.
 

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well this could certainly throw a cat among the pigeons:
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...e/news-story/b37a83dd609a215dbc6d17c2d366354d

JESSE Hogan’s contract extension talks will drift well into the summer. The Melbourne key forward is in his hometown Perth considering his future.

The Demons have made little progress despite regular discussions and new coach Simon Goodwin spending time with Hogan’s management at last week’s elimination final.

Hogan, 21, is contracted until the end of 2017 and had put off extension talks until the end of this season.

He is split between his love of the Demons and a possible return to Western Australia.

Goodwin said at his first press conference as senior coach this week that he believed Hogan was keen to stay.

But Hogan will remain in WA until the start of the pre-season and seems in no hurry to resume contract talks.

His manager Jason Dover said on Friday he was still pondering his future after his exit interviews with the Demons in recent weeks.

“We are not in a hurry and we are quite comfortable with where things sit,” Dover said.

“Put it this way — there is no time line on it.

“I have had a discussion with Jesse but we aren’t any further advanced. I was at the footy with ‘Goody’ on the Thursday night watching the Eagles.

“We were able to have a good chat and he gave me some information and I gave him some.

“Jesse will come home and see where his head space is. It is making a decision to be with Melbourne or a request to come home. Nothing has been finalised.”

Hogan bought a house in Perth this year but it is understood it is a renovation project with his brother as an investment, rather than future home.

He kicked 41 goals this year but just two in his last five games, with commentators wondering whether his finish to the year might affect his lofty price tag.
 

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Pick 10 and 82 for Hartlett and O'Shea. Richardson has been keen on O'Shea for a while. Wonder if this would get a deal done?
No disrespect but I wouldn't do that deal. Neither are elite talents even if Hartlett looked like he might be early on in his career. 10 gives you a chance for an elite talent those two are quality depth but not much more.
 

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  1. Ship Longer out West for a second round pick and a little Lamb. 3-way with clubs if needed to get a second out of Longer.
  2. Lure Steele with some cold, hard cash. Second rounder to GWS. If they'll bite at Eli (and a 4th?) for Finlayson- wrap that up.
  3. #10 to the draft- Scrimshaw or the 'Rant.
  4. FA a stop-gap FB until Goddard is primed- Brown? If Finlayson doesn't play out.
Inside mid.
Key back.
First round pick.
Wild Card Lamb.
just going to say this and I hope few people will take note, GWS do NOT need picks in this years draft, they already have everything they need for this year to get they players they want, they HAVE to shed players to fit in the limit, as for Eli, another thing to note, they have MORE 1st round picks running around in the NEAFL then we have on our whole list, how does Eli, or for that matter, any other player on our list, fit in with GWS's list, simple answer is they don't. Period, please please stop this shuffling of shit picks and fringe players from us off to a club that is literally overflowing with 1st round picks.

at best( for us ) imo it'd be 2017's 2nd rounder for Steele
 
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Yes very proud of that melt. One of my finest. At least I waited until actual trade time not three weeks prior.

And could you explain how bein passionate about the club is an excuse for supporters to completely trash not only this coming trade period but the whole 5 year plan? Being passionate doesnt mean having a licence for illogic and completely losing it over a trade period that hasnt even begun.
Everyone is passionate about the Saints, dont think that is an excuse to throw the baby out with the bathwater.
And I dont think I posted everyone disappointed is trolling. I did say concern troll which is different.
I would have liked Laverde, I think and Marchbank if he can string two games together but it didnt happen.
Still 5 teams in the finals. Who knows who will shake loose.
Oh BTW melt all you like during actual trade period. It is what it is for.;)

Cheers mate
I don't disagree with any of that but feel like I should add that I feel like I haven't read many posts actually bagging the club. There's just a fair bit of disappointment and tiny bit of concern. We haven't lost anything though, just missed something that was never ours.
 

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Every time I try to do a best 22 I usually find that I am leaving guys like Minchington, Lonie, Sinclair, Gilbert, Wright, McKenzie, White and Rice out. I'm not sure we should be targeting a bloke like Steele who IMO doesn't have any greater an upside than Sinclair or McKenzie and doesn't, to my eyes at least, fill a huge pressing need.

I think we should be more focused on getting elite talent. If we could get Rockliff for pick 10 I say do it.

If he costs much more than that I am happy to let him go. I would then want to look at how we get two picks as early as possible in the next two drafts.

I see Longer as a required player so I wouldn't touch him. Gilbert is the first player that comes to mind for me, but it's not clear whether he would be of any interest to other clubs.

If Templeton wants to go I say we try and get him to the club he wants to go to. If we could get a second for him and a third I would be pretty pleased. Lee is another who I would be happy to let go for a minor pick upgrade.

Something like this would be ideal:

Eli, 2016 3rd and 2017 3rd for Carlton's 2016 3rd and 2017 2nd
Lee and 2016 4th for Brisbane's 2016 4th
Gilbert, Carlton's 2017 2nd, St Kilda's 2017 2nd, Carlton's 2016 3rd and Brisbane's 2016 4th to Gold Coast for a First Round Pick.
 

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Pick 10 and 82 for Hartlett and O'Shea. Richardson has been keen on O'Shea for a while. Wonder if this would get a deal done?
Doubt it.
Neither are really what we're after.
When we go after a ready made midfielder we'd want a very good one and Osheas probably not key position size enough.
 

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well this could certainly throw a cat among the pigeons:
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...e/news-story/b37a83dd609a215dbc6d17c2d366354d

JESSE Hogan’s contract extension talks will drift well into the summer. The Melbourne key forward is in his hometown Perth considering his future.

The Demons have made little progress despite regular discussions and new coach Simon Goodwin spending time with Hogan’s management at last week’s elimination final.

Hogan, 21, is contracted until the end of 2017 and had put off extension talks until the end of this season.

He is split between his love of the Demons and a possible return to Western Australia.

Goodwin said at his first press conference as senior coach this week that he believed Hogan was keen to stay.

But Hogan will remain in WA until the start of the pre-season and seems in no hurry to resume contract talks.

His manager Jason Dover said on Friday he was still pondering his future after his exit interviews with the Demons in recent weeks.

“We are not in a hurry and we are quite comfortable with where things sit,” Dover said.

“Put it this way — there is no time line on it.

“I have had a discussion with Jesse but we aren’t any further advanced. I was at the footy with ‘Goody’ on the Thursday night watching the Eagles.

“We were able to have a good chat and he gave me some information and I gave him some.

“Jesse will come home and see where his head space is. It is making a decision to be with Melbourne or a request to come home. Nothing has been finalised.”

Hogan bought a house in Perth this year but it is understood it is a renovation project with his brother as an investment, rather than future home.

He kicked 41 goals this year but just two in his last five games, with commentators wondering whether his finish to the year might affect his lofty price tag.
He's gone.
Don't think they've ever been confident of keeping him
 

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Nothing to worry about, go into next season with already with a former pick 10 & a pick 24 Freeman & Carlisle. Gotta remember guys, it will be there first real season with the club, so my reckoning is that we are on the front foot before official trade starts already. Have to keep the faith, pretty sure our plan was being top of the wazir in 2018
 

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Nothing to worry about, go into next season with already with a former pick 10 & a pick 24 Freeman & Carlisle. Gotta remember guys, it will be there first real season with the club, so my reckoning is that we are on the front foot before official trade starts already. Have to keep the faith, pretty sure our plan was being top of the wazir in 2018
Bullish on Freeman?
 

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1. Use pick 10 in the draft on an elite kid.
2. Get a pick ~25 for longer.
3. Pick 25 + 46 for Steele and get pick 33 back.
4. Use pick 33 in the draft on a kid
Agree but we should really be looking at getting a pick 15-20 ish at least for billy in my opinion otherwise it's more worthwhile to keep him. And if eli and lee can be sent to their clubs were they'll get more opportunities for 3rd rounders or something like that then do that as well
 
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