List Mgmt. 2016 Trade/Free Agency Part 4 - Toby Nankervis asks for trade to Richmond

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Why oh why didnt we give up a pick in the 60s for Ahern ?

Also, why is Melbourne not scared to get Lewis and Rockliff but we are? We are too scared
I wouldn't want Lewis, he's form is gonna fall off a cliff pretty quickly I think.
I'd take Rocky - but not at a huge price. I think he'd be asking for big cash, cause he doesn't really want to leave. I actually think he'll stay.
 

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I wonder if the zero interest in Lennon will be the kick up the arse he needs or whether he'll just plod along in the VFL for a few years then be delisted. 50/50 at the moment.
HUGE opportunity for Lennon in 2017.
I reckon he puts in a solid pre-season and hopefully he reaches the heights we expect of him.
Given our need for a forward, we need to put all our confidence in him and just let him run and establish himself.
We should be aiming to get Lennon ready for Rd 1.
 

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Lack of depth hurts this time of year. Can't trade out anyone outside of best 22 for picks or players. Lennon, Conca, Lambert, Batchelor, Hunt, Morris, Drummond, Short, Elton, Townsend have little value. Markov and Menadue fair marginally better.
 

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Wondered the same thing myself. Wasn't it meant to be the 1st trade to go through
Wondering if the Bulldogs are seriously reconsidering...... they had their forwards rise during the finals, and with Crameri back how the hell does Cloke fit in there?
 

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HUGE opportunity for Lennon in 2017.
I reckon he puts in a solid pre-season and hopefully he reaches the heights we expect of him.
Given our need for a forward, we need to put all our confidence in him and just let him run and establish himself.
We should be aiming to get Lennon ready for Rd 1.
Absolutely. And with Vickery out, and at 188cm, could fit in well along side Riewoldt and Griffiths. Big IF, but need to atleast try.
 

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Lack of depth hurts this time of year. Can't trade out anyone outside of best 22 for picks or players. Lennon, Conca, Lambert, Batchelor, Hunt, Morris, Drummond, Short, Elton, Townsend have little value. Markov and Menadue fair marginally better.
Surprised Collingwood haven't offered a late pick for him to be honest...... they're going to need defenders.....
 

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List manager Danog is on the case. This is a tl;dr that I've done on the train in to work.

I'll piggy back off the trade suggested by no.11

Richmond Pick 6 & 27 (Points = 2454)
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Sydney Pick 14 & 17 (Points = 2186) + Nankervis

Leaves us with 14, 17, 46, 64, 82

Gold Coast currently have 4, 8, 22, 24, 26, 30, 44. There's a new rule in place that you can only use draft picks for father/son & academy bidding relative to the amount of vacant spots on your list. For example, if Gold Coast only has 6 vacant spots on their list, they can't just use 4, 8, 22, 24, 26, 30 in the draft and then bank 44 to use as points. Pick 44 is essentially useless. So, if they're going to be getting MORE picks for Prestia / O'Meara, then becomes even more of a problem. I highly doubt that they'll use 44, or any picks after it (62, 80, etc).

So what does this mean for Richmond? It means that we can upgrade our later picks.

I would trade 14 and 82 to Gold Coast for Prestia, 44, and 62. If Gold Coast got snippy about it, then we could throw in a 2017 4th rounder too (in the 60s).

If they still chuck up a fuss, then we go to the AFL for mediation. Prestia is out of contract, does not want to play for Gold Coast, and has specifically nominated Richmond as his club of choice. Because of our (proposed) trade with Sydney, 14 is now our earliest available pick. If they say that's still not enough, state the Hawthorn traded pick 14 for Tom Mitchell, a proven finals performer. Who are Gold Coast to say that Prestia, who hasn't played close to a full season in 2 years, has had injury concerns, and is yet to prove himself in finals, is worth more than Tom Mitchell? In fact, it makes him worth slightly less, hence the pick upgrades that don't impact on Gold Coast at all.

Assuming this goes through, we now have 17, 44, 46, 62, 64.

We can then trade Deledio and 44 to Geelong for Caddy and 56.

End result is that:

Richmond lose 6, 27, 44, 2017 4th rounder, and 82.

Richmond then have 17, 46, 56, 62, 64, Prestia, Caddy, and Nankervis.

If we don't have enough list spots to use all of those later picks, then trade the later ones to get back into the 3rd or 4th rounder in 2017. Hawthorn would probably bite, given that they've traded away a ton of picks.

Simples.
If we insist of trading for Prestia something like this is the way to go. But the picks GC acquired last year from us and port don't count for the list space thing as the AFL only brought the rule in this year, so allowed picks traded last year to be exempt. So I think that 44 maybe able to be used for points.

I'm not really sure because as per normal with the AFL and its changes to rules its as clear as mud.
 

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I don't want Deledio to stay, he burnt his bridges when he insisted that the persistent trade talk about him leaving was false and he wanted to stay, meanwhile he had been orchestrating his move to Geelong before the season had even ended. He could have said he was exploring his options all along, but instead plays the denial card until trade week opened and then picked his bags ready to jump ship.

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Lots of ducks and drakes and things can change minute by minute. I wouldn't be that harsh on Lids.
 
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