2016 trade hypotheticals

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Yet you've recruited
Howe
Crisp
Greenwood
Varcoe
White
Aish

None of these player are gonna lift you up to the required level to win a premiership.
Yes. These guys are best 22 but they won't lift you to those next few levels. Collingwood need quality to join Sidebottom, Pendlebury etc.
None of those bar White can be considered bad recruits, Aish is in his 3rd season very tough to sign his papers this year, give him another year to see what he can be
 

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Yet you've recruited
Howe
Crisp
Greenwood
Varcoe
White
Aish

None of these player are gonna lift you up to the required level to win a premiership.
Yes. These guys are best 22 but they won't lift you to those next few levels. Collingwood need quality to join Sidebottom, Pendlebury etc.
I don't see how that's relevant. They've all been pretty good recruits IMO and none but Howe were signed as players to elevate us to the next stange, you may also throw White in that category.

Greenwood = hole filler
Crisp = steak knives
Varcoe = don't know really. Hole filler.
Aish = young prospect whom I didn't want personally but i can't coubt his last couple of games
 

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I don't see how that's relevant. They've all been pretty good recruits IMO and none but Howe were signed as players to elevate us to the next stange, you may also throw White in that category.

Greenwood = hole filler
Crisp = steak knives
Varcoe = don't know really. Hole filler.
Aish = young prospect whom I didn't want personally but i can't coubt his last couple of games
Can't possible doubt any of those players. Greenwood is a solid inside midfielder with the odd huge game.

Crisp can do a hell of a lot more damage than he has done this year. The amount he had shown in his last few games and Brisbane was huge. Would have been kept if not wanting a move back to Melbourne for family/opportunity reasons.

Varcoe is good experience from a good club to help fill the expirienced void whilst others develope.

Aish is still young and showed a lot in his first year but arguably gone backwards since. Whilst he may not be a star. He'll be best 22 in Collingwoods future side.
 

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Can't possible doubt any of those players. Greenwood is a solid inside midfielder with the odd huge game.

Crisp can do a hell of a lot more damage than he has done this year. The amount he had shown in his last few games and Brisbane was huge. Would have been kept if not wanting a move back to Melbourne for family/opportunity reasons.

Varcoe is good experience from a good club to help fill the expirienced void whilst others develope.

Aish is still young and showed a lot in his first year but arguably gone backwards since. Whilst he may not be a star. He'll be best 22 in Collingwoods future side.
Greenwood at his best is one of the best taggers in the game. Some of his performances earlier this season were remarkable. Has unfortunately fallen very out of form recently.

Crisp was immense last year, not so much this year but he's still been a very important mid in most games, a part from a few let downs here and there, specifically in the first 5 rounds.

Varcoe is being used wrong, the reason he's with us is because he played as a HFF at Geelong and he was shit, so they handed him over. Bucks had the right idea originally playing off the back flank and wing, but because of forward injuries he's playing as a target forward. Ew.
 

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Trade 1
Adeliade:
Josh Green
Brisbane: Cam Ellis Yolmen

Trade 2
Geelong:
Lewis Taylor, 2017 4th Round Pick
Brisbane: Pick 33, 38

Trade 3 - Three-way trade
St Kilda:
Caleb Marchbank, Jack Steele
Brisbane: Pick 8-10 (St Kilda), Pick 7, 15, 17, 53 (GWS)
GWS: Pick 2, 20, 28, 2017 3rd Round Pick (Brisbane), 33, 38 (Geelong - Lewis Taylor)
While i think thats an ok trade price why in the world would we trade for taylor when we have small-med fwd options left right and centre.if we would be trading for anything its small defenders not small forwards.
 

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We have Mumford, Simpson, lobb, downie, Flynn as recognised rucks with many others that can pinch hit. Why would we want witts, a lumbering, slow, dinosaur of a ruck.
Not saying you will grab Witts but will Simpson be on the list long term? Mumford has his maintenance issues and Flynn is young. If the right ruck option cam along Id think you would show interest.. Wasn't there some speculation on Lobb being of interest to Freo?
 

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While i think thats an ok trade price why in the world would we trade for taylor when we have small-med fwd options left right and centre.if we would be trading for anything its small defenders not small forwards.
Would he really be a much better option than Lang? Not sure he is a player that would be an obvious best 22 , certainly not at the dollars he was linked to.... but it a three way deal so we know its a bit "out there".
 

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Would he really be a much better option than Lang? Not sure he is a player that would be an obvious best 22 , certainly not at the dollars he was linked to.... but it a three way deal so we know its a bit "out there".
He is better than lang but we have enough depth in that position that he is not worth what he would cost.
 

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Not saying you will grab Witts but will Simpson be on the list long term? Mumford has his maintenance issues and Flynn is young. If the right ruck option cam along Id think you would show interest.. Wasn't there some speculation on Lobb being of interest to Freo?
Many players have been of interest to freo. Doesn't mean teams hand over players once another team is interested in them. Teams were interested in Cameron, Shiel, smith, Patton, Coniglio, kelly, Haynes, etc. lobb has had zero reports of homesickness and has lived away from home since he was a young lad working FIFO. Also spent a minimal amount of time in wa over the offseason and returned to Sydney. These are not the actions of a player with a burning desire to wear purple
 

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Many players have been of interest to freo. Doesn't mean teams hand over players once another team is interested in them. Teams were interested in Cameron, Shiel, smith, Patton, Coniglio, kelly, Haynes, etc. lobb has had zero reports of homesickness and has lived away from home since he was a young lad working FIFO. Also spent a minimal amount of time in wa over the offseason and returned to Sydney. These are not the actions of a player with a burning desire to wear purple
True and Freo this year has a different level of attractiveness than in previous years. If there is a Ruck prospect coming thru in your academy it maybe enough to feel covered. My point was only that all those listed doesn't mean you would shy away from a Ruck..although Witts wouldn't be the player id have thought you would look at.
 

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Again, if he was drafted to you guys but was Adelaide home sick you would not be saying we don't want a top 10 pick but we are happy for a mid 30's pick :rolleyes:
A top ten pick is completely fair for a player of McCarthy's caliber. But after a full year out of the afl and after the tantrum he pulled, I think it's fair to say he's worth a pick in the 30's.
 

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Suns need the picks for Jack Bowes. Won't happen. Rockliff isn't worth that much as well. A first sure. He's not Ablett!
If they want Rockliff (not sure it suits them) I see this as a fairly even trade. Points wise 4 & 8 (3585 points) for 20 & 27 (1615 points) which rates Rockliff at 1970 points (about pick 5). Fair trade for a gun captain. Possibly getting him for unders.

Gold Coast then have more than enough points for Bowes and Scheer with quite possibly picks 20,21,22,23,27,28,40 (5259 points).
Then of course any other picks they would also be getting with the possible departure of Prestia/O'Meara.
Say they get pick 5/6 off Richmond or Carlton for Prestia, they would likely use this pick to grab Bowes and possibly not have to dig too far into their 2nd rounders depending on where he is bid on (maybe downgrading pick 20 as well).
Then say Scheer is bid on around pick 18 and they use pick 21 for that.

They would net Rockliff, Bowes, Scheer and still have picks 22,23,27,28,40 to use as well.
Would fairly offset the loss of Prestia.
 

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A top ten pick is completely fair for a player of McCarthy's caliber. But after a full year out of the afl and after the tantrum he pulled, I think it's fair to say he's worth a pick in the 30's.
Like i said, roll reverse it and see if you would come up with the same conclusion.
 
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True and Freo this year has a different level of attractiveness than in previous years. If there is a Ruck prospect coming thru in your academy it maybe enough to feel covered. My point was only that all those listed doesn't mean you would shy away from a Ruck..although Witts wouldn't be the player id have thought you would look at.
I think that there's some truth in what you say about the ruck situation. Mummy is great for us, and has signed on for another 2 years. Lobb complements him very well - good contested mark and solid relief ruck. Tom Downie has been planned to be Mummy's replacement in another couple of years, with Matty Flynn next in development 4-5 years behind. I saw Dawson Simpson as the short term cover for a big-bodied aggressive ruckman in case Mummy goes down (as in 2015). Question is, how does GWS see both Downie's and Simpson's progress and report card against their expectations? The problem is GWS wants a ruckman who can/will happily sit in NEAFL, and then if Mummy's injured, come out and be his equal in first grade. Pretty impossible task, and more so in Sydney. I don't rate Witts particularly highly, and obviously last year both GWS and Witts weren't open to his trade to GWS as part of the Treloar deal. I guess this year, Witts might realise that he's less attractive than he thought. A lot of the linkage to GWS is that he's from Sydney. So, I agree that if GWS don't see Simpson as able to do the backup role as envisaged, and Downie not ready to assume #1 ruck mantle, they could despatch Simpson and get another ruck. I just don't see it being Witts. To take him, they'd also be stating that Downie was not developing well enough. In which case, both would go and Witts brought in to be Mummy's backup for the next 2 years, then assume the #1 ruck mantle.
 
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I wouldn't expect a top 10 pick for him after what he's done
The point with GWS & the academy bidding system is that the argument doesn't need to get stuck on worth being purely in terms of a top whatever pick. I would expect that GWS will take less than first round points equivalence in later picks, and that pick upgrades/downgrades and possibly future picks that are naturally speculative will come into play.

For example, GWS could trade up and Freo down within the first round plus a later round pick to get second or early third round value for McCarthy and both teams could claim a win in negotiations.
 
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