2016 US Presidential Election - Trump vs Clinton? - Part 1

Who will win the election??


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Don't have Fox, how did they analyse the debate?
Pretty much that Trump easily won the first 15 minutes but from there on Hillary fought back and ending up winning the debate but this was a mixture of Hillary raising certain points and Trump not being able to move on from negatives made about him.
In conclusion Trump probably lost the debate rather than Hillary winning it.
 

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One positive for Trump is he raised Clinton's comment on TPP being the gold standard a few years ago. Issue hasn't really been teased out this election. Biggest downside is, despite acting more reserved, he didn't make the case that he could act presidential. It's a change election but he still needs to convince people that he is worth the risk (maybe more so now).
 

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you can make broad sweeping statements at the start of a debate, that's fine, that's how you set up your argument, and Trump did well at that, but after that you have come up with some detail, and that's where it all came undone. He never really had to do that in the primary debates
 

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Pretty much that Trump easily won the first 15 minutes but from there on Hillary fought back and ending up winning the debate but this was a mixture of Hillary raising certain points and Trump not being able to move on from negatives made about him.
In conclusion Trump probably lost the debate rather than Hillary winning it.
If Fox are reporting it that way it means Hillary killed him in every way.
 

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Soon after, the two began debating the large federal debt, with Clinton quipping that perhaps it would be smaller if Trump paid income tax.
Trump’s reply? “If I did, it would be squandered.”
http://fortune.com/2016/09/26/presidential-debate-donald-trump-taxes/

Does that mean he doesn't pay tax? I must have missed this exchange.
Could be read as "if I did (pay more income tax), it would be squandered".

Doesn't necessarily follow that he currently pays nought.
 

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For a troll, Trump is so easily baited, Clinton blatantly kept baiting him and he couldn't help himself

Having said all that, still don't think these debates will change a thing, those who've made up their minds long ago won't change it. Having said all that, if you're an undecided, Clinton probably did more to convince you to vote for her than Trump did, but those who are undecided now are typically independent who used to be GOP so who knows what they'd do
 

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Soon after, the two began debating the large federal debt, with Clinton quipping that perhaps it would be smaller if Trump paid income tax.
Trump’s reply? “If I did, it would be squandered.”
http://fortune.com/2016/09/26/presidential-debate-donald-trump-taxes/

Does that mean he doesn't pay tax? I must have missed this exchange.
Yes, he effectively admitted that he does not pay tax and that makes him 'smart'

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/09/26/trump-brags-about-not-paying-taxes-that-makes-me-smart.html
 

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Incredibly painful viewing. I don't understand how people claim Trump's campaign is over on the back of that performance. Yes, he was boorish, bombastic, rude, incompetent, misogynistic, hypocritical, blatantly misinformed - all of the "qualities" that have gotten him to this point. What about the % of audience who (rightly) switched off after 20 minutes because Hurricane Trump was just destroying any semblance of a "debate" with customary WWF style bluster.

Of course, Clinton won easily with regards to content, knowledge, etiquette - I'm not so sure any of these are particularly important to half the American voters any more. They want to express raw, incoherent anger and Trump embodies that. Crazy as it sounds Trump was right in a real broken-clock-is-right-twice-a-day type manner. Trade deals like NAFTA only serve to increase wealth disparity and strengthen the legal positions of corporations. Clinton is incredibly hawkish on foreign policy and no doubt IS on the very politicians who voted for the Iraq War and out of that "vacuum" (Trump's used that word) - created ISIS. Fortunately, Trump is too stupid and ignorant to make any of this shit stick - his policy knowledge is inch-deep, mile wide. Soundbite without substance. And Clinton has too many skeletons in her (family) closet to really attack Trump, opening up pandora's box and she's risks being swept away in the Trump tornado.

In that sense, Clinton's strategy is probably correct in maintaining her civility and playing the rope-a-dope tactic and hoping Trump will hang himself. But if nothing has hung him so far, I don't see it happening. Clinton must go to bed (with Bill on the couch in the basement) wondering how on earth she dedicated her entire life immersed in public service and international relations, and now see her life work and ambition torn down by a silver-spoon buffoon with absolutely no experience, qualifications or idea about policy or government.

I think we can all see behind her smile and poise there must some kind of toxic anger for not only Trump, but their "democracy" and the American people in general. Contempt, perhaps rightfully so, that she is so hated by a general populace who largely has no ******* idea what it takes (for a woman no less) to rise to the position she has in America. That is fundamentally why I think Hillary Clinton is so unpopular and in danger of losing this election to a borderline psychopath and illiterate - every day she must hear how "deeply unpopular" she is - but looks at Obama - same exact candidate, only less experienced - how he swept into power twice so easily. She's a woman who embodies all of the same contradictions and ruthless ambitions all male politicians do and is held to a much higher standard than any of them, particularly her husband. (even the email scandal - when you consider some of the accusations Bill dealt with, in office no less) I'm intrigued whether Hillary Clinton has anything other than hatred and contempt in her heart sometimes, because I sure wouldn't.
 
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Didn't get the impression that it was a bloodbath like most on here, then again I listened to it on radio so might have lost something in the translation. I think Trump started strong but continually got bogged down in areas and failed to ramble his way out of. Then again this isn't exactly new news, everybody knows Trump's failings.

An an exercise in debating, Clinton finished stronger and came out on top at the end of the night. The margin was pretty clear in the end. And in any other year, that might mean something.
 
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