2017/18 off-season set up

[fightingfury_88]

It won't let me see the player ratings.

If there is nowhere to look at them online, how can that be our system?

Not sure why you can't see it. It showing clearly on my PC and I can select players by Key Defender/Forward and Ruck. If you are on the phone looking at it it may not work.

 

[fightingfury_88]

I was planning on putting the GST classification against each player on the list page once the 2018 prospectus was released but we should be able to use that AFL Player Rating link as a guide until it is released.

 

[loopy_cam]

Not sure why you can't see it. It showing clearly on my PC and I can select players by Key Defender/Forward and Ruck. If you are on the phone looking at it it may not work.

Yes I'm on phone and I almost exclusively use the phone for AFL TM nowadays.

Some interesting players missing from there. Rampe's the one I always look for. Always plays on talls. I'd definitely call him a key back.

 

[fightingfury_88]

Yes I'm on phone and I almost exclusively use the phone for AFL TM nowadays.

Some interesting players missing from there. Rampe's the one I always look for. Always plays on talls. I'd definitely call him a key back.

He's listed as a key defender in the 2017 Prospectus. They're usually pretty good with their player categories.

 

[fightingfury_88]

Oh and secondly, this is in the OP:

"6pm Saturday November 18: Opposition player bidding starts, all bids inactive, no limits on which and how many uncontracted players you can bid on"

Just to clarify it's only two at a time though yeah? That's just referring to over the course of the bidding period?

Just clarifying on this further, your bids during the inactive period still count on the maximum number of bids you can have on a player (3). You can just bid on as many different players as you like during this time.

 

[fightingfury_88]

Unless anyone has some serious objections, sausageroll and I propose that we temporarily co-manage the Port Adelaide team for the off-season until Russian returns. We will attempt to manage it fairly conservatively and mostly attempt to retain the current list by matching any bids we feel Russian would, as well as bid on own players. At some point we may also make opposition player bids but as mentioned the main aim will be to retain the list structure.

We feel this is the best way to keep the list in a solid position if/when Russian returns or if a new coach needs to take over at some point in the future while not providing an advantage to his or any other team as a result.

 

[fightingfury_88]

2018 off-season now open. Good luck to all and please be patient as sausageroll and I try to run this off-season for the first time. We encourage anyone to point out any mistakes you see in our updates/posts as well as any mistakes made by others in the bidding/trading process.

 

[ShaunDuggan]

Appreciate ya work guys

 

[Marklar_33]

2018 off-season now open. Good luck to all and please be patient as sausageroll and I try to run this off-season for the first time. We encourage anyone to point out any mistakes you see in our updates/posts as well as any mistakes made by others in the bidding/trading process.

Well done lads

Here to help where required

 

[loopy_cam]

He's listed as a key defender in the 2017 Prospectus. They're usually pretty good with their player categories.

Do you have a list of the 2017 prospectus kpp? Would be helpful in at least being a guide as to who the gst players will be in 2018.

 

[sante]

Just on the Port list. Whenever a coach has been MIA I think they’ve been left alone including opposition bidding on their players. But it’s not looking likely that Russian will return anytime soon.

 

[fightingfury_88]

Do you have a list of the 2017 prospectus kpp? Would be helpful in at least being a guide as to who the gst players will be in 2018.

I’ll try and get something together before trading starts.

 

[fightingfury_88]

Just on the Port list. Whenever a coach has been MIA I think they’ve been left alone including opposition bidding on their players. But it’s not looking likely that Russian will return anytime soon.

A long time ago it happened to the club I eventually took over, but in the 2015/16 off-season thread Russian temporarily managed the Mozzie Bites list.

There was a full coaching compliment for last off-season so 2015/16 is the last relevant off-season.

 

[Marklar_33]

I don’t suppose there’s any one on the waiting list? I hate to be that guy, but it’s been over two months...

 

[fightingfury_88]

From the 2017 AFL Prospectus, the below players are those categorised at Key Defender, Key Forward and Ruck. Note that this does not mean they will be listed this way for 2018 but it can be used as a bit of a guide for trading/bidding purposes. I'll post this list on the off-season thread in one of the initial posts as well for reference.

Key Defenders
Aaron Francis - Brisbane
Adam Tomlinson - Geelong
Aidan Corr - Ballarat
Alex Keath - Gold Coast
Alex Pearce - Dragon Island
Alex Rance - Western Vultures
Alex Silvagni - NONE
Aliir Aliir - Ballarat
Andy Otten - Port Adelaide
Ben Reid - Northern Reds
Brennan Cox - Launceston
Cale Hooker - Melbourne
Caleb Marchbank - Ballarat
Conor Nash - Northern Reds
Dale Morris - Wagga Wagga
Dane Rampe - Brisbane
Daniel McStay - Launceston
Daniel Nielson - NONE
Daniel Talia - Harbour City
David Astbury - Harbour City
Declan Keilty - Gold Coast
Declan Watson - Harbour City
Elliott Himmelberg - Launceston
Eric Mackenzie - Port Adelaide
Fletcher Roberts - Gippsland
Griffin Logue - Port Adelaide
Harris Andrews - Adelaide
Harrison Himmelberg - St Kilda
Harrison Macreadie - Ballarat
Harry Taylor - Geelong
Heath Grundy - Brisbane
Henry Schade - Western Vultures
Hugh Goddard - Northern Reds
Jack Frost - NONE
Jack Hombsch - Port Adelaide
Jack Leslie - Adelaide
Jack Maibaum - Wagga Wagga
Jacob Weitering - St Kilda
Jake Lever - Adelaide
James Frawley - St Kilda
Jeremy Finlayson - Port Adelaide
Jeremy McGovern - Brisbane
Jesse Glass-McCasker - NONE
Joel Hamling - Wagga Wagga
Joel Patfull - NONE
Josh Gibson - Gold Coast
Kaiden Brand - West Coast
Keegan Brooksby - West Coast
Kieran Collins - Geelong
Kristian Jaksch - Launceston
Kurt Heatherley - Adelaide
Kyle Hartigan - Western Vultures
Lachlan Hansen - Melbourne
Lachlan Henderson - Geelong
Lachlan Keeffe - NONE
Lachlan Plowman - Adelaide
Lewis Melican - Geelong
Logan Austin - Wagga Wagga
Lynden Dunn - Melbourne
Mabior Chol - Gold Coast
Marcus Adams - Wagga Wagga
Matthew Hammelmann - Harbour City
Matthew Uebergang - Gold Coast
Michael Hartley - Gippsland
Michael Hurley - Gold Coast
Michael Johnson - Gold Coast
Michael Talia - Melbourne
Nathan Brown - West Coast
Nick Coughlan - Launceston
Nick Haynes - Launceston
Nick Larkey - Port Adelaide
Oscar McDonald - Port Adelaide
Patrick Ambrose - St Kilda
Phil Davis - St Kilda
Robbie Tarrant - Northern Reds
Rory Thompson - Gippsland
Ryan Burton - Northern Reds
Ryan Gardner - Northern Reds
Ryan Garthwaite - Launceston
Sam Frost - NONE
Sam Gilbert - West Coast
Sam McLarty - Brisbane
Sam Rowe - West Coast
Sam Shaw - NONE
Sam Skinner - Harbour City
Samuel Collins - Gold Coast
Sean Dempster - Harbour City
Steven May - Dragon Island
Thomas Gorter - Melbourne
Thomas Stewart - Launceston
Tim Mohr - NONE
Tom Barrass - Adelaide
Tom Clurey - Gold Coast
Tom Lonergan - Launceston
Tom McDonald - Geelong
Will Schofield - Dragon Island
Zac Dawson - Dragon Island

Key Forward
Aaron Black - Adelaide
Ben Brown - Brisbane
Ben McKay - Geelong
Benjamin Griffiths - West Coast
Brett Eddy - Launceston
Callum Moore - NONE
Cameron Loersch - Harbour City
Cameron McCarthy - Western Vultures
Cameron Pedersen - Adelaide
Charlie Curnow - Melbourne
Charlie Dixon - Dragon Island
Daniel Gorringe - Gippsland
Darcy Moore - Geelong
Dougal Howard - Wagga Wagga
Drew Petrie - Gold Coast
Eric Hipwood - Port Adelaide
Fergus Greene - Gippsland
Fraser McInnes - NONE
Harry Dear - Brisbane
Harry McKay - Harbour City
Jack Darling - St Kilda
Jack Gunston - Harbour City
Jack Redpath - Western Vultures
Jack Riewoldt - Dragon Island
Jack Watts - Northern Reds
Jake Carlisle - West Coast
Jake Waterman - Port Adelaide
James Stewart - Brisbane
Jarrad Waite - Wagga Wagga
Jarryd Roughead - Wagga Wagga
Jeremy Cameron - Ballarat
Jesse Hogan - Gold Coast
Jesse White - Harbour City
Joe Daniher - Northern Reds
Jonathan Freeman - West Coast
Jonathon Patton - Western Vultures
Josh Battle - West Coast
Josh Bruce - Launceston
Josh Jenkins - St Kilda
Josh Schache - Launceston
Joshua Kennedy - West Coast
Joshua Walker - Northern Reds
Justin Westhoff - Melbourne
Lance Franklin - Geelong
Levi Casboult - Western Vultures
Lewis Young - Launceston
Liam Hulett - St Kilda
Liam Jones - NONE
Luke Strnadica - West Coast
Mason Cox - Gold Coast
Matthew Allen - Adelaide
Matthew Flynn - Geelong
Matthew Taberner - West Coast
Michael Apeness - Wagga Wagga
Michael Close - Melbourne
Mitch McGovern - Wagga Wagga
Mitchell Brown - Melbourne
Mitchell Lewis - Port Adelaide
Nick Riewoldt - Melbourne
Pat Kerr - Harbour City
Patrick McCartin - St Kilda
Peter Wright - Ballarat
Rory Lobb - Dragon Island
Ryan Schoenmakers - Western Vultures
Sam Day - Ballarat
Sam Durdin - Northern Reds
Sam Reid - Melbourne
Sam Weideman - Northern Reds
Shane Kersten - Gippsland
Shaun McKernan - Dragon Island
Taylor Walker - Gold Coast
Thomas Boyd - St Kilda
Tim O'Brien - West Coast
Tim Smith - St Kilda
Timm House - Gold Coast
Toby Pink - Western Vultures
Todd Elton - Adelaide
Todd Marshall - Dragon Island
Tom Hawkins - Geelong
Tom Lynch - Port Adelaide
Travis Cloke - Harbour City
Tristan Tweedie - NONE
Tyrone Vickery - St Kilda
Zach Sproule - Gippsland
Zaine Cordy - Brisbane

Ruck
Aaron Sandilands - Harbour City
Andrew Phillips - Dragon Island
Archie Smith - Wagga Wagga
Ben McEvoy - West Coast
Billy Frampton - Port Adelaide
Billy Longer - Ballarat
Braydon Preuss - Melbourne
Brodie Grundy - Geelong
Callum Sinclair - Melbourne
Daniel Currie - Northern Reds
Darcy Cameron - Wagga Wagga
Dawson Simpson - Gippsland
Esava Ratugolea - Adelaide
Ivan Maric - Adelaide
Ivan Soldo - Western Vultures
Jack Fitzpatrick - West Coast
Jackson Trengove - Harbour City
Jake Spencer - Gold Coast
Jarrod Witts - Wagga Wagga
Jason Holmes - Gippsland
Jonathan Giles - Melbourne
Jonathon Ceglar - Northern Reds
Jonathon Griffin - NONE
Jordan Roughead - Ballarat
Kurt Tippett - Western Vultures
Lachlan Filipovic - Brisbane
Lewis Pierce - Ballarat
Luke Surman - Western Vultures
Majak Daw - Gold Coast
Marc Pittonet - Northern Reds
Matt Eagles - Western Vultures
Matt Korcheck - NONE
Matthew Kreuzer - Port Adelaide
Matthew Leuenberger - Melbourne
Matthew Lobbe - Adelaide
Max Gawn - Gippsland
Max Lynch - Wagga Wagga
Mitch King - Adelaide
Mitch McCarthy - Northern Reds
Nathan Mullenger-McHugh NONE
Nathan Vardy - Northern Reds
Nicholas Naitanui - St Kilda
Oscar McInerney - Gippsland
Patrick Ryder - Launceston
Paul Hunter - NONE
Peter Ladhams - Brisbane
Reilly O'Brien - Geelong
Rhys Stanley - Geelong
Rowan Marshall - Launceston
Ryan Abbott - Gold Coast
Sam Draper - Brisbane
Sam Jacobs - Dragon Island
Sam Naismith - West Coast
Scott D Thompson - West Coast
Scott Lycett - Brisbane
Sean Darcy - Harbour City
Shane Mumford - Gippsland
Shaun Hampson - Western Vultures
Stefan Martin - Northern Reds
Timothy English - Ballarat
Toby Nankervis - Wagga Wagga
Todd Goldstein - Launceston
Tom Bellchambers - Dragon Island
Tom Campbell - Adelaide
Tom Downie - St Kilda
Tom Hickey - Ballarat
Tom Nicholls - Port Adelaide
Wylie Buzza - Brisbane
Zac Smith - Gold Coast
Zachary Clarke - Brisbane

 

[fightingfury_88]

As it sets a bit of a precedent I've put up a poll using the Tyrone Vickery example as a case study. Basically, for the Vickery case and all future cases do we relax how the 0% delistment rule has been applied in the past or do we only allow clear-cut cases eligible for the 0% salary delist as has been in the past.

Coaches, please vote and if you wish comment in this thread.

 

[sausageroll]

I voted yes. I think it's more clear-cut than any other option

 

[ShaunDuggan]

“Football has been a huge part of my life, but I don’t have the same passion for the game that I once did.

To me it comes under the terminate contract immediately section as hes lost motivation.

By opinion is biased however but it seems pretty clearcut.

 

[loopy_cam]

My immediate thought was that it could be a 0%. Upon further thought however, I think it does set a precedent we may not want to follow. If Vickery was out of contract this season I think there'd be a decent chance he'd be delisted. If we want a clear cut rule, how about: If a player is contracted by an AFL club, played more than half of their games in the seniors in the current season and is delisted by their AFL club, THEN they get the 0%.

I don't think you can really trust the quote by Vickery. He's hardly going to say 'the club told me I'm s**t and they don't want me'.

 

[sante]

The way I see it is, when I sign players who have question marks over them, I check their AFL contract to make sure I’m not signing someone for longer than they are actually contracted. Vickery was signed to play 2018, but has retired. If he was cut, you pay him out. He chose to leave, we can’t assume the Hawks told him to go

 

[sausageroll]

My immediate thought was that it could be a 0%. Upon further thought however, I think it does set a precedent we may not want to follow. If Vickery was out of contract this season I think there'd be a decent chance he'd be delisted. If we want a clear cut rule, how about: If a player is contracted by an AFL club, played more than half of their games in the seniors in the current season and is delisted by their AFL club, THEN they get the 0%.

I don't think you can really trust the quote by Vickery. He's hardly going to say 'the club told me I'm s**t and they don't want me'.

What if the player was injured for over half the season, then struggled for one reason or another in the second half of the season so retired with a year to go on his contract? He wouldn't qualify.

Also, if Vickery was out of contract it would be an entirely different situation. People retiring or being delisted while out of contract is not the same as someone retiring with a year to go on their contract.

I still think the most clear cut rule revolves purely on their contract status when they walk away from the game. If they still have another year or more to serve on their current contract they qualify.
The problem would come when a younger player coming out of contract decides he's going to walk away. If someone like Devon Smith had walked away because of a lack of motivation while out of AFL contract but under AFLTM contract how would we deal with that?

 

[loopy_cam]

Devon Smith would be different IMO because he's a clear best 22 player whereas Vickery isn't.

I'm happy to go with the contract rule since that seems to be the majority decision. Like I said, I kinda did just want to offer an opposing side since the rule was so strict in the past.

 

[loopy_cam]

I know Devon Smith didn't play finals btw but I get the feeling they knew he was leaving.

 

[sausageroll]

I was only using Devon Smith as an example of where the system could possibly fall down. I'm pretty confident we could make that call if it came about.

 

[sante]

I think every situation should be looked at individually. No need for a set rule, but each case is looked as different players have different circumstances