Training 2017/2018 Pre-season Thread

Who will be our most improved for 2018?


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So..... 30 in the squad.
Brodie, Tex, Brad, Gallucci, Greenwood, Knight are “injured”

This leaves eight players. I think we can assume that Sloane, Hartigan, Betts and Douglas are being rested (or are missing a limb).

Hence we can deduce (I hear the sound of Vader applying the white-out) that Jarman, Edwards, McPherson and Milera are ranked between 40 and 44 on our list.

A big fall for The Wayne, or is it possible that they “forgot” to mention he is also injured :rolleyes:.
Reported in the other thread that McPherson has OP. Add him to the injury list, rather than the "bottom 4" list.

Even if he was in the bottom 4 right now, I would expect (hope) that he will rocket up the rankings by the end of the season.

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Nope?

I wasn’t asking IF you avoided the question? Not a matter of opinion ;)
So he's barely 5th out of 6 for score involvements with 6.3 with Gov on 6.6, Eddie on 7.3, Lynch on 7.8 and Tex on 8.2. The original claim is he doesn't do ANYTHING but suck up easy goals, he averaged more score involvements than Brad Crouch, CC, Richard Douglas, Sam Jacobs, Andy Otten, Rory Atkins, Hugh Greenwood, Riley Knight, David Mackay, but he doesn't contribute anything else than easy goals.
 

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Nope. Whether he's first or last, he contributed more than CC and just as much as McGovern. So why are you not criticizing them as well?
Why am I not using your abstract determinations?

https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/2017-b-f-analysis-votes-per-game-more.1179559/

CC was criticised heavily last year but he is a big game player, who delivers ferocious defensive pressure and wasn’t a big money squib (the anti-Jenkins). Plus CC played first part of the year up the ground on the wing and still rotated out of the middle

McGovern is still barely a pup and still performed better than JJ last year. You watch him put daylight between himself and JJ

Fact is, out of a forward 6, it’s no amazing achievement to be ranked 7th or 8th in a forward metric
 

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So he's barely 5th out of 6 for score involvements with 6.3 with Gov on 6.6, Eddie on 7.3, Lynch on 7.8 and Tex on 8.2. The original claim is he doesn't do ANYTHING but suck up easy goals, he averaged more score involvements than Brad Crouch, CC, Richard Douglas, Sam Jacobs, Andy Otten, Rory Atkins, Hugh Greenwood, Riley Knight, David Mackay, but he doesn't contribute anything else than easy goals.
You missed out Talia & Hartigan
 
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And the easy goals we get from him is because he busts a gut to run to burn off his opponent. Reckon opp coaches aren't TRYING to stop those? See someone say they're taher play a midfielder but a midfielder would have a midfielder on them and not be able to get free. Jenkins has a pretty rare pace for size and uses that. He's shit at 1-v-1 so doesn't use that.
 

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The coaches did not think he was very good, stop telling fibs

He got a middle of the road pass mark, outside the top 10 players

Some highlight
Waiting for you and that comment, please remind me how the votes are given,
I was under the impression from an early post about the points system that he did his Job which is why he earned 11 votes from a possible 20.
Or are there more rules we need to navigate around when dealing with JJ.
Do we use the coaches votes, the Stats,
Or do we combine them by watching the game, Live and Again on replays?
Tell us to so we can all see what's so bad about him to warrant all this dislike.
Because I have a completely different opinion of him and his value to the club than you and few others.
 
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^^ that was my attempt-at-being-funny response.

Here's my analytical response regarding JJ:
I think the main problem is that people see a big bodied AFL player and they automatically assume that player should be doing bash and crash. The small bodied players should use their speed and save the bash and crash for the bigger bodied players to deal some damage.

However, in the real sporting world, small players can be slow as hell and use more the bash and crash style of play. Conversely, some big players like to use their speed as an advantage without doing much of the crash and bash. From my years of observation, JJ is the kind of player who uses his height and speed as an advantage, not the bash and crash style. Furthermore, if he does the bumping and bruising play, his speed would be affected, and this would then nullify his advantage in outrunning the defenders.
David Mackay tackles harder than JJ. Thats an indictment on JJ
 

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****, is this just a JJ thread?
Yes, all threads in 2018 will be JJ threads. Regardless of the title. All diverging conversations will ultimately converge into JJ being either good/bad, wanted/unwanted. This is the formula. You must stick with this formula, or you will...be a BF outcast!
 

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Yes, all threads in 2018 will be JJ threads. Regardless of the title. All diverging conversations will ultimately converge into JJ being either good/bad, wanted/unwanted. This is the formula. You must stick with this formula, or you will...be a BF outcast!
Jenkins' Law is the new Godwin's Law
 

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Waiting for you and that comment, please remind me how the votes are given,
I was under the impression from an early post about the points system that he did his Job which is why he earned 11 votes from a possible 20.
Or are there more rules we need to navigate around when dealing with JJ.
Do we use the coaches votes, the Stats,
Or do we combine them by watching the game, Live and Again on replays?
Tell us to so we can all see what's so bad about him to warrant all this dislike.
Because I have a completely different opinion of him and his value to the club than you and few others.
That’s ridiculous even by your illiterate standards

11 votes out of 20 is not a remarkable game, it is middle of the road and frankly not much more than Walker averages EVERY WEEK

you holding your todger over a big win when he is not in the top half of players on the ground is stupid. Just dumb

Trying to paint an ok game as amazing just demeans the value of your judgement
 

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Yes, all threads in 2018 will be JJ threads. Regardless of the title. All diverging conversations will ultimately converge into JJ being either good/bad, wanted/unwanted. This is the formula. You must stick with this formula, or you will...be a BF outcast!
Start a new thread so we can all discuss and consider your incredible insight ;)
 

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What rock have you been living under for two or even one year?
Yep - Sanders and I have had this discussion for the last few years ... JJ is without doubt deserving of a whipping.

Potential means nothing. Filling in the gaps means nothing.

If JJ becomes the player he can be - if JJ decides that near enough is not good enough - then JJ could truly be an important member of our team.

While he coasts, does what he does, doesn't break any new ground, doesn't get uncomfortable - he is a liability.

Every end of season I try and find a way for us to move him on - every start of season I try and give him the benefit of the doubt that he can change his ways - every season he disappoints me.

I'm not so excited by the prospect of new JJ turning up in 2018. I'm now accepting that he has reached his potential.
 

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That’s ridiculous even by your illiterate standards

11 votes out of 20 is not a remarkable game, it is middle of the road and frankly not much more than Walker averages EVERY WEEK

you holding your todger over a big win when he is not in the top half of players on the ground is stupid. Just dumb

Trying to paint an ok game as amazing just demeans the value of your judgement
Getting a bit negative there. never answer a discussion or argument with an insult, I thought you would know that, after quoting Jack Welch.
Now your problem with this, due to your blinding dislike of JJ you neglected to find out what the initial question was.
ie when was the Last time JJ defeated his Man 1 on 1. - I answered, then followed up with the coaches believed he did, he received 11 coaches votes, now most understand how the votes are awarded. (if not I have added the 1-4 count) And by simply applying that rule he played his role and a few coaches have also voted as influencing the game. Remembering there are only 5 coaches voting 1-4
So in order to reply to your comment, it does not matter where he came in in the order on the day because that was not the question.

Sanders, you are very predictable in you argumentive style, not a good trait in the business world. My suggestion at this time, read Dale Carnegie book How to Win Friends and Influence People,





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1 vote: Played their role. Solid game without significant influence on the game
2 votes: Played his role well and influenced the game
3 votes: Played his role very well with significant influence on the game
4 votes: Played his role outstandingly and dominated the game
 
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