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Training 2017/2018 Pre-season Thread

Discussion in 'Adelaide' started by Crouch, Nov 14, 2017.

Put it out there
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Who will be our most improved for 2018?

Poll closed Mar 23, 2018.
  1. Brad Crouch

    13.8%
  2. Riley Knight

    1.8%
  3. Hugh Greenwood

    13.0%
  4. Paul Seedsman

    2.9%
  5. Jordan Galluci

    6.9%
  6. Myles Poholke

    4.3%
  7. Tom Doedee

    22.8%
  8. Mitch McGovern

    6.5%
  9. Wayne Milera

    10.5%
  10. Alex Keath

    3.6%
  11. Jake Kelly

    1.1%
  12. Curtley Hampton

    5.8%
  13. Rory Atkins

    1.4%
  14. Harry Dear

    0.4%
  15. Ben Davis

    1.4%
  16. David Mackay

    1.4%
  17. Matthew Signorello

    2.2%
  1. GrommoT

    GrommoT Premiership Player

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    Actually, maybe games after buggering off is relevant unless you include remaining with us as a criteria for judging our drafting effectiveness.
     

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  2. fabs33

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    To be honest when I posted that I was anticipating that you would interpret it as a form of criticism of your work, but it really wasn't. The point I was making is that the performances of past players have little to no bearing on the chances of Doedee making it as they are independent of each other, so people shouldn't make the mistake of using your data on past players as a crystal ball. Doedee has his own unique set of circumstances that have resulted in him not playing any games in his first two seasons, and ultimately what will determine whether he has a successful career will be his own talent, the opportunities given to him and luck (injuries etc.). I appreciate the time and effort you took in collecting all that data, but I felt a warning was needed to avoid people forgetting that independent events don't influence probabilities. e.g. Doedee's future won't be impacted by how many games Max Bailey played.

    In terms of the number of games played in the first two years having a connection to what happens in later years I agree entirely. The longer he goes without playing, the less likely he is of making it in the long run, regardless of what the reasons may be for him not playing. However, that's not relevant to the point I was making about data from past players being used in predictions for current players.

    As for your overall thoughts on Doedee and the importance of this year for him, I agree there as well. An opportunity has presented itself with Lever's departure, and provided he's healthy, it's up to him to make the most of it.
     
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  3. Wayne's-World

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    What you are & many overlook is that there's a mix required for a midfield unit ......can't have too many slow mids, too many inside mids, or outside ....too many sub 180cm or +192cm

    Graham & others maybe very good players in isolation ......but do they compliment our mix ?
     
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  4. MRB37

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    What in Pyke's selection policies makes you think he would (or should) have dropped Greenwood?
     
  5. Redleg Crow

    Redleg Crow Premium Gold

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    I guess it is more I think there is the diff between looking at how good our drafting has been at finding good players, and how good it has been at leading to players being good for us
     
  6. Redleg Crow

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    Fair enough - I wasn't taking it personally - good discussion is good.
     
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  7. Wayne's-World

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    That's a long bow to draw .....amazing that no-one was bemoaning the non drafting of Graham b4 the Grand Final ?

    Hindsight makes us all experts
     
  8. MRB37

    MRB37 Brownlow Medallist

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    We sat through multiple games with the likes of Hampton, Mackay, Seedsman, JJ, Otten and CC all playing poorly because Pyke prioritized structure and consistency over short term form.
     
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  9. cm_perfect

    cm_perfect Premiership Player

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    Geez I miss open training sessions..

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  10. Redleg Crow

    Redleg Crow Premium Gold

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    When did Seedsman have multiple bad games? He played Rd 18, got dropped, then played in the last round - did well. Did ok in the final against GWS, and again in the PF. Shit GF, but take a number there.
     
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  13. MRB37

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    In 2016 he had a few. Still stayed in the team.
     
  14. MRB37

    MRB37 Brownlow Medallist

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    Anyway, anyone going to the AGM on the 1st of March? Jamo having his board position up for renewal too, though I dunno if anyone is going to run against him this time.
     
  15. cm_perfect

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    Rinse repeat


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  16. Rorys458

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    When does the season start? Silly season silly as ever.
     
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    If you want to consider how terrible a SA only recruiting policy would be, just compare a present day potential SA State of Origin team with one from the 90s.
     
  18. 1970crow

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    Simple question, every year there are 18 first rounders, how many of them come from a basketball background and only 1 year of organised football since they became a teenager? The league wide stats on first rounders is completely irrelevant to Doedee's likelihood of playing games.
     
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  19. 1970crow

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    Stats are stats, they are fine for providing some insight into the norm. But they don't provide insight into situations that don't fit the norm. Doedee's background is so far from that of the ordinary first rounder, that the statistics being quoted are completely meaningless. He's a square peg amongst hundreds of round holes.
     
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    This needs to become a thing.
     
  21. 1970crow

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    And this is the point that you fail to comprehend. Our coaching group is not the the same as the Richmond coaching group. We preferred to play an injured Greenwood. Had our selectors had some bravery, we might be hailing Hampton, Poholke or even Milera as having stood up on GF day and performed ahead of expectations. But we'd rather go with nice guy, good story Otten and an injured Greenwood. When you hear the coaches mention the word 'continuity', do you actually know what it means and how that impacts selection?
     
  22. 1970crow

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    Nothing to suggest he would. Hugh's minute management and obvious injury is the reason that he should have not been selected.
     
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    Lever got his shot in round 6 of 2015. Hartigan was dropped for the showdown in round 5, we went with Talia and Cheney as our tall defenders. We played Gold Coast in round 6 and Lever earned his call up. I'm wondering if the injuries to JJ, Dougie, Hendo and CEY had anything to do with it though. The other players that came in that week were Grigg, Lyons and M Crouch elevated from the sub position. I'm not really sure it's a glowing endorsement of your, "saw talent" and played claim. More like circumstances paved the way for the kid to get a crack and he took his chance. And then, this talent that was recognised, was dropped for the elimination final after playing round 23. Hartigan was back in the side by then and it was Cheney who came back in after not having played at AFL level since round 13. They're the type of selection decisions that have been repeated over and over. When the chips are down, we play safe, no way Graham gets a go in our side as the year reaches the pointy end.
     
  24. Thetrader15

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    Problem was we had no one else to replace him with. McKay and Otten were already in the yeam and our safe selection policy throughout the year meant no one else had game time under their belt
     
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  25. 1970crow

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    So you're now stating that every team has a list of equal quality. That's an interesting turn of events, but not surprising, you're not really a deep thinker. Remember when you were convinced that Thommo was the solution to our midfield last year. Remember that Marty, do you think that Pyke didn't know what he was doing when he didn't select Thommo?
     
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