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about right.

But I reckon the last game against the saints has the potential to be a 70k crowd.

This is because it will shape the final 8, and it may well be the last chance saints fans have to say goodbye to Roo and joey.

In summary however you are correct, home crowds this year have been dominated by the RFC
Home games against the pies dons and return home game against the blues helps a lot. Home on Anzac Eve was huge too. Next year, will probably be away to pies and 100% also for dreamtime. While some Richmond home crowds this year have been huge and the best in decades like ANZAC eve and 58000 against the swans this covers a few pretty bad turnouts by the tiger army this year also.

Thought Vs Freo on Mother's Day was pretty dismal considering form. Although I think the fixture really hurt that one as years previous it had 10000 more turn out.
Also was pretty flat about Sunday, yeah bad weather, but it's a winter sport and was a huge game in the context of our season and thought that over 37000 really should of turned out. Though we have the ability to draw in huge numbers vs traditional rivals, when it comes to interstate teams the army just doesn't come out like other teams



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Home games against the pies dons and return home game against the blues helps a lot. Home on Anzac Eve was huge too. Next year, will probably be away to pies and 100% also for dreamtime. While some Richmond home crowds this year have been huge and the best in decades like ANZAC eve and 58000 against the swans this covers a few pretty bad turnouts by the tiger army this year also.

Thought Vs Freo on Mother's Day was pretty dismal considering form. Although I think the fixture really hurt that one as years previous it had 10000 more turn out.
Also was pretty flat about Sunday, yeah bad weather, but it's a winter sport and was a huge game in the context of our season and thought that over 37000 really should of turned out. Though we have the ability to draw in huge numbers vs traditional rivals, when it comes to interstate teams the army just doesn't come out like other teams



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Regardless , Richmond home crowds will end up being at least 5000 more than our nearest rivals.

Incredible support by the tiger army
 
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Yep each club gave the other clubs members access to a pool of 5000 tickets to a match last year (Lions members got access to Roar vs Victory and Roar members got access to Lions vs Collingwood).

I remember the Storm around 2002-3 played the Canterbury Bulldogs on a Sunday here in Melbourne when there were no AFL games in town that day, so had a promotion for people who had gone to a match at the MCG or Etihad on the Friday or Saturday that if they brought their ticket stub got free entry
Any evaluation as to whether Lions or Roar benefited most?

Re: ROB's comment -NRL ARE the dominant code in Sydney re crowds (& ratings, general sport interest, best athletes). Sydney NRL averages c.70,000 pw, every week.
 

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Sydney NRL averages c.70,000 pw, every week.
no it doesnt. In 20 rounds this season, Sydney NRL crowds have only reached the 70k mark three times. In three different weeks the entire competition failed to reach 70,000.

Average attendance per round in Sydney is 48,738, at a match average of 13,538.
 

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Any evaluation as to whether Lions or Roar benefited most?

Re: ROB's comment -NRL ARE the dominant code in Sydney re crowds (& ratings, general sport interest, best athletes). Sydney NRL averages c.70,000 pw, every week.
I wasn't suggesting otherwise, but there's little doubt that most, if not all NRL clubs in Sydney struggle to draw crowds. Which looks especially bad in an 80,000 seat stadium.
 

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no it doesnt. In 20 rounds this season, Sydney NRL crowds have only reached the 70k mark three times. In three different weeks the entire competition failed to reach 70,000.

Average attendance per round in Sydney is 48,738, at a match average of 13,538.
Thats about only 1% of the Sydney population

They would get a lot less if Sydney media gave them the coverage they deserve

The DT has pages of crap about the NRL every day ( more due to back up Foxtel 50% owned by Murdoch News Corp) and still their crowds are slowly declining Its the old "you can lead a horse to water but you cant make it drink".
 

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Thats about only 1% of the Sydney population

They would get a lot less if Sydney media gave them the coverage they deserve

The DT has pages of crap about the NRL every day ( more due to back up Foxtel 50% owned by Murdoch News Corp) and still their crowds are slowly declining Its the old "you can lead a horse to water but you cant make it drink".
There are a few other forums out there that I'm sure would love to hear that statement ;):D
 

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Thats about only 1% of the Sydney population

They would get a lot less if Sydney media gave them the coverage they deserve

The DT has pages of crap about the NRL every day ( more due to back up Foxtel 50% owned by Murdoch News Corp) and still their crowds are slowly declining Its the old "you can lead a horse to water but you cant make it drink".
Still by far the biggest game in town, as SoO would attest. However I agree media coverage in daily Tele is disproportionate.


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Did we get a number on tonight ?
Looked a pretty decent turn out ?

Next week could give the current record for tigers and Hawks a run. Top 4 tigers against a resurgent Hawks in Roughys 250th.
Good weather and it could crack 70000!


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52,181. Almost bang on the MCG prediction.
 

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52,181. Almost bang on the MCG prediction.
Lowest for a Hawthorn v Sydney game since 2010 but not too bad given it was a late season 13 v 6 fixture

2013 - Hawthorn v Sydney 54,725 (Rd 7, 5 v 4)
2014 - Hawthorn v Sydney 72,728 (Rd 18, 1 v 2)
2015 - Hawthorn v Sydney 63,319 (Rd 8, 6 v 3)
2016 - Hawthorn v Sydney 61,552 (Rd 8, 6 v 4)
2017 - Hawthorn v Sydney 52,181 (Rd 18, 13 v 6)

Combined with 2007 onwards that's 10 or so years of abnormally large attendances for Hawks v Swans games...

2007 - Hawthorn v Sydney 48,398 (Rd 11, 3 v 9)
2008 - Hawthorn v Sydney 49,527 (Rd 15, 3 v 4)
2009 - Hawthorn v Sydney 44,464 (Rd 11, 8 v 7)
2010 - Hawthorn v Sydney 36,007 (Rd 10, 13 v 7)

For a flat season I've been pretty happy with the Hawks Melbourne based home games. The average across the 6 games was only 44,209 (lowest since 2007) but 4 of those were against non Vic clubs (Adel, WCE, GC and Syd - average 36,490).

Back in 2012 the Hawks played 7 home games at the MCG was 44,507 but 5 of those were against non Vic clubs (Adel, BL, GWS, GC, WCE - 33,716)...but that was a Grand Final year coming off a Preliminary Final

Early days but Hawthorn crowds have withstood a drop in form and expectations.

Also, much like Richmond, Collingwood and Essendon there is now a logjam between Hawthorn, Carlton and Melbourne for the 4th highest drawing Victorian club (home and away). Interestingly Carlton hasn't been in the top 4 clubs for drawing power since 2013
 

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Lowest for a Hawthorn v Sydney game since 2010 but not too bad given it was a late season 13 v 6 fixture

2013 - Hawthorn v Sydney 54,725 (Rd 7, 5 v 4)
2014 - Hawthorn v Sydney 72,728 (Rd 18, 1 v 2)
2015 - Hawthorn v Sydney 63,319 (Rd 8, 6 v 3)
2016 - Hawthorn v Sydney 61,552 (Rd 8, 6 v 4)
2017 - Hawthorn v Sydney 52,181 (Rd 18, 13 v 6)

Combined with 2007 onwards that's 10 or so years of abnormally large attendances for Hawks v Swans games...

2007 - Hawthorn v Sydney 48,398 (Rd 11, 3 v 9)
2008 - Hawthorn v Sydney 49,527 (Rd 15, 3 v 4)
2009 - Hawthorn v Sydney 44,464 (Rd 11, 8 v 7)
2010 - Hawthorn v Sydney 36,007 (Rd 10, 13 v 7)

For a flat season I've been pretty happy with the Hawks Melbourne based home games. The average across the 6 games was only 44,209 (lowest since 2007) but 4 of those were against non Vic clubs (Adel, WCE, GC and Syd - average 36,490).

Back in 2012 the Hawks played 7 home games at the MCG was 44,507 but 5 of those were against non Vic clubs (Adel, BL, GWS, GC, WCE - 33,716)...but that was a Grand Final year coming off a Preliminary Final

Early days but Hawthorn crowds have withstood a drop in form and expectations.

Also, much like Richmond, Collingwood and Essendon there is now a logjam between Hawthorn, Carlton and Melbourne for the 4th highest drawing Victorian club (home and away). Interestingly Carlton hasn't been in the top 4 clubs for drawing power since 2013
Shows how good that particular fixture has been.

Of further interest, I think the result of last night's game makes next week's game against Richmond that much bigger and makes two things almost certain:

1: Richmond will top the attendances this year
2: Hawthorn will top the 'away' attendances for the first time ever, a rare occurrence of Collingwood falling down to second.
 
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no it doesnt. In 20 rounds this season, Sydney NRL crowds have only reached the 70k mark three times. In three different weeks the entire competition failed to reach 70,000.

Average attendance per round in Sydney is 48,738, at a match average of 13,538.
My mistake.
How many Syd. Home games are taken out of Syd?
I was including nos. for NRL SOO x2 in Syd. (c. 160,000).
I forgot that St George takes some Home games to Wollongong; & some other NRL clubs take some Home games out of Syd. If all these Home games were played in Syd., (& SOO totals) that would boost the Syd. weekly cumulative total -do you know by how much?

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If I recall correctly, Syd. this year has had unusually very heavy rain on games days earlier in the season. This would have significantly reduced attendances.

South Syd. & Canterbury have had very poor years -both very big teams, so I assume their attendances also would have reduced the weekly Syd. total.

The Final 8 looks settled, with 8th 3 games clear. This is also likely to dampen the run home, with numerous "dead games"-thus reducing attendances.
 
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Did we get a number on tonight ?
Looked a pretty decent turn out ?

Next week could give the current record for tigers and Hawks a run. Top 4 tigers against a resurgent Hawks in Roughys 250th.
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Given decent weather you'd have to think 65-70K next week.
 

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Shows how good that particular fixture has been.

Of further interest, I think the result of last night's game makes next week's game against Richmond that much bigger and makes two things almost certain:

1: Richmond will top the attendances this year
2: Hawthorn will top the 'away' attendances for the first time ever, a rare occurrence of Collingwood falling down to second.
Richmond v Hawthorn has to be the biggest underachieving fixture (in terms of drawing power) amongst the traditional 12 Vic clubs. If both clubs can draw 50k plus (58k and 52k) to home games against the Swans in the same season surely 70k plus should be a possibility? Plus it being a designated away game for Hawthorn members. But it probably won't...

In terms of home v away attendance you are correct. Hawthorn will end up with a 14k / 15k difference between home and away attendance which would have to be the most lopsided in the league?

A combination of high drawing away games, a poor commercial home fixture (inc much lower Easter Monday numbers) and 4 Tasmanian fixtures that accenturates the disparity between home and away.
 
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Thats about only 1% of the Sydney population

They would get a lot less if Sydney media gave them the coverage they deserve

The DT has pages of crap about the NRL every day ( more due to back up Foxtel 50% owned by Murdoch News Corp) and still their crowds are slowly declining Its the old "you can lead a horse to water but you cant make it drink".
I think in every city in the world the most popular code fills the back pages of the major tabloids. I'm sure it has a reinforcing effect but it is hardly causal. Last night the eels versus broncos got about 340k in Sydney between 9 and fox . Its is clearly still the dominant code in the imaginations of sydneysider.

Notwithstanding this, brilliant ratings again for the swans up against this (and going for an extra hour). Average ratings of 115k combined 7 mate and Foxtel. Impressively, against the broncos, the game average 45k in the Brisbane ratings area.

The afl rating 160k on Friday night in late July against arguably the biggest nrl clubs in both cities demonstrates that the afl as a spectator sport is clearly the second code now in those two cities - dwarfing the a league and the super rugby.
 

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I think in every city in the world the most popular code fills the back pages of the major tabloids. I'm sure it has a reinforcing effect but it is hardly causal. Last night the eels versus broncos got about 340k in Sydney between 9 and fox . Its is clearly still the dominant code in the imaginations of sydneysider.

Notwithstanding this, brilliant ratings again for the swans up against this (and going for an extra hour). Average ratings of 115k combined 7 mate and Foxtel. Impressively, against the broncos, the game average 45k in the Brisbane ratings area.

The afl rating 160k on Friday night in late July against arguably the biggest nrl clubs in both cities demonstrates that the afl as a spectator sport is clearly the second code now in those two cities - dwarfing the a league and the super rugby.
And growing not going backwards!
 

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Shows how good that particular fixture has been.

Of further interest, I think the result of last night's game makes next week's game against Richmond that much bigger and makes two things almost certain:

1: Richmond will top the attendances this year
2: Hawthorn will top the 'away' attendances for the first time ever, a rare occurrence of Collingwood falling down to second.
great to see you have come to terms with reality
 

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great to see you have come to terms with reality
That's nice of you.

My view hasn't changed from when I stated that it was so close at the top that it would come down to which matchups got the most beneficial timing to produce the most interest. Richmond and Hawthorn just hit the jackpot.
 

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That's nice of you.

My view hasn't changed from when I stated that it was so close at the top that it would come down to which matchups got the most beneficial timing to produce the most interest. Richmond and Hawthorn just hit the jackpot.
Apart from the fact Collingwood are down the ladder, the Tigers have benefited in particular from playing Carlton twice when the Blues were up and about. The round 1 game and the big one about 6 weeks ago where journos were talking about a potential 70-75,000 crowd. Notwithstanding this, a top 4 Richmond playing their home games at the MCG should finish top. Swings and roundabouts:

-Richmond play the Cats in Geelong which the Pies and Bombers don't
-Collingwood are going poorly on field
-Essendon play more games at Ethihad than the Tigers & Pies that would draw more at the MCG

The rest is down to the luck & timing of where and who you play.
 
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