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That crowd from GWS is less than 1,000 less than Paramatta playing in the same complex last night at 8pm (so Sydney peak-hour traffic less of an impact) - against a team, the Broncos, that theoretically should have more travelling support than Freo. GWS is doing more than fine in the context of Sydney crowds.
 

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11,233 in Sydney and 13,939 in Tassie

Both solid crowds, esp in Sydney, not an attractive fixture with little away supporters. And beat out last year's 9 thousand odd.
That would be the type of crowd that GWS would get in Canberra - maybe.

That crowd in Sydney implies to me that 15/k is but a year or two away and something that at the end of the day Canberra can not really match, so for those who have continually said GWS should relocate to Canberra it looks increasingly like GWS has just such a bigger base to capitalise on in Sydney it is not funny.
 

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That would be the type of crowd that GWS would get in Canberra - maybe.

That crowd in Sydney implies to me that 15/k is but a year or two away and something that at the end of the day Canberra can not really match, so for those who have continually said GWS should relocate to Canberra it looks increasingly like GWS has just such a bigger base to capitalise on in Sydney it is not funny.
AusKick participation grew 18% last year, and there's no more AusKickers in NSW than there is in any other state in Australia.

Even beyond a year or two away, when this "Auskick generation" of those aged 5-12, are aged 20-27 in 15 years time, and they've been rusted on footy fans for virtually their entire childhood, GWS should be able to consistently get 20,000+ crowds. Advertising to children can get a fan for life, and it's through investment in participation that it'll reap the rewards.

It seems like GWS's floor is about 10k now, which is a good floor to start from. Of course GWS is having success now, but year-on-year growth should outpace any drop from missing finals.
 
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AusKick participation grew 18% last year, and there's no more AusKickers in NSW than there is in any other state in Australia.

Even beyond a year or two away, when this "Auskick generation" of those aged 5-12, are aged 20-27 in 15 years time, and they've been rusted on footy fans for virtually their entire childhood, GWS should be able to consistently get 20,000+ crowds. Advertising to children can get a fan for life, and it's through investment in participation that it'll reap the rewards.

It seems like GWS's floor is about 10k now, which is a good floor to start from. Of course GWS is having success now, but year-on-year growth should outpace any drop from missing finals.
IMO football in NSW is as strong as anytime in the history of the game in that state, North, South, East and West.

There are some big population pockets that need plenty of work though IMO, Southern Suburbs of Sydney, Central Coast and Wollongong.

There has been good growth in the Western and SW suburbs of Sydney and Newcastle in general, the NW, Eastern, Northern beaches and inner Western suburbs of Sydney have all had pretty good growth spurts some from a decent base to start with.

The Swans have provided an impetus for the North coast of NSW, which has grown it s senior and junior comps although off a low base.

The Southern Suburbs of Sydney ( st george and Cronulla areas ) are by far the weakest part of Sydney football and interestingly a spot the A league has been talking about planting its 3rd Sydney team.

There is a clear geographical divide between southern and SW suburbs in Sydney, there might even be a national park between them.
 

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Nothing infuriates me more than empty reserved seats in prime locations that force people up to the rafters.
Especially behind the Hawks goals!

Call me a new age or modernist, but god some new system needs to be bought into place..


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Yep, my mate and I are silver members and sat behind the cheer squad for 3 years. We moved because because the two and sometimes three full rows around us would constantly be empty even for big games where GA was packed. I don't know who these people are but they pay top dollar for seats every year and never turn up
 
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That's nice of you.

My view hasn't changed from when I stated that it was so close at the top that it would come down to which matchups got the most beneficial timing to produce the most interest. Richmond and Hawthorn just hit the jackpot.
no doubt 3.20 pm sunday arvo is prime time lol
 

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It's weird that despite not having much success, Suns still are able to draw exceptional crowds that are on par and mostly just above that of the Giants.
 

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It's weird that despite not having much success, Suns still are able to draw exceptional crowds that are on par and mostly just above that of the Giants.
Think it's more the fact that it's a holiday destination for most opposition supporters. I know when the draw is done I always check to see if we are up there and if so I book a few days off work. I know plenty of Melbourne based supporters that do the same
 
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Apart from the fact Collingwood are down the ladder, the Tigers have benefited in particular from playing Carlton twice when the Blues were up and about. The round 1 game and the big one about 6 weeks ago where journos were talking about a potential 70-75,000 crowd. Notwithstanding this, a top 4 Richmond playing their home games at the MCG should finish top. Swings and roundabouts:

-Richmond play the Cats in Geelong which the Pies and Bombers don't
-Collingwood are going poorly on field
-Essendon play more games at Ethihad than the Tigers & Pies that would draw more at the MCG

The rest is down to the luck & timing of where and who you play.
We only play Carlton twice out of the Big 4 and bigger drawing clubs. (Pies, Ess, Haw, Geel, Melb all once). Cats at SS is a disgrace, will cost another 30K minimum; add GWS away, GC away, Brissie twice; our fixture is crap in terms of getting big crowds but shows once again how big the Tiger army is. It looked and sounded like a home game against GC tonight, pathetic turnout by the sun supporters, great turnout as usual by the real army. Next year we should get a real crowd drawing fixture and with success we will top it again. Go Tiges!
 

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We only play Carlton twice out of the Big 4 and bigger drawing clubs. (Pies, Ess, Haw, Geel, Melb all once). Cats at SS is a disgrace, will cost another 30K minimum; add GWS away, GC away, Brissie twice; our fixture is crap in terms of getting big crowds but shows once again how big the Tiger army is. It looked and sounded like a home game against GC tonight, pathetic turnout by the sun supporters, great turnout as usual by the real army. Next year we should get a real crowd drawing fixture and with success we will top it again. Go Tiges!
take it to the richmond board
 

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We only play Carlton twice out of the Big 4 and bigger drawing clubs. (Pies, Ess, Haw, Geel, Melb all once). Cats at SS is a disgrace, will cost another 30K minimum; add GWS away, GC away, Brissie twice; our fixture is crap in terms of getting big crowds but shows once again how big the Tiger army is. It looked and sounded like a home game against GC tonight, pathetic turnout by the sun supporters, great turnout as usual by the real army. Next year we should get a real crowd drawing fixture and with success we will top it again. Go Tiges!
With the exception of playing at Geelong, you could say the same things for Collingwood's fixture as well as Essendon.
 

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We only play Carlton twice out of the Big 4 and bigger drawing clubs. (Pies, Ess, Haw, Geel, Melb all once). Cats at SS is a disgrace, will cost another 30K minimum; add GWS away, GC away, Brissie twice; our fixture is crap in terms of getting big crowds but shows once again how big the Tiger army is. It looked and sounded like a home game against GC tonight, pathetic turnout by the sun supporters, great turnout as usual by the real army. Next year we should get a real crowd drawing fixture and with success we will top it again. Go Tiges!
Lol ok... Richmond will be third in attendance's behind Essendon and Collingwood. Richmond are top 4 if Essendon were top 4 Richmond would not be close.

If Collingwood were top 4 we will be 1st in attandence by some big margin and ATM we are 13th compared to Richmond 4 and the pies will be ahead of them after 19 rounds. Collingwood will need to draw over 31,000 at today's game against Adelaide which will happen. MCC expecting 36,000.

Stat..... when ever Collingwood has made the finals since the afl began in 1990 Collingwood has always finished 1st. The only times Essendon and Richmond have finished higher then Collingwood in attendance is when they have made the finals and Collingwood have missed out. When all teams have missed the finals Collingwood is first again.
 

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no doubt 3.20 pm sunday arvo is prime time lol
Oddly enough the 3.20pm Sunday attendance has a history of pretty good crowds (although that could be because the AFL / Channel 7 have effectively used it for high drawing games as a lead in to the news bulletin...)

It should not be confused with the 4.40pm Sunday timeslot which is an all together shit time slot.

The Rich v Haw game is a perfect storm. Richmond probably need a win to make the top 4, if Hawthorn win their odds for the finals go up dramatically. Given it's a member replacement game (the Geelong game a few weeks ago was not) I would be very disappointed if it didn't draw 70,000
 

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35,460 at Etihad and 16,207 at Metricon. Pretty good imo, been a solid round so far
Edit: Beaten Again! :eek::D
Pretty disappointed with the Carlton v Geelong crowd to be honest.

It wasn't long ago that Carlton's floor against Geelong was in the 40,000's at Ethiad. Save Collingwood and Richmond MCG games, the Blues crowds have been lacklustre all season. Carlton appear to have lost a sizeable portion of the rusted on fan base over the last 4 years (compare attendances in 2014/17 to 2002/2007).

I understand they are currently in the top 4 for home and away attendances (first time since 2013) but they have only played the single fixture at a low drawing venue (Rd 13 at the Gold Coast) whilst Hawthorn (Rd 3 at the Gold Coast, Rd 6, 8 and 16 in Launceston) and Melbourne (Rd 10 and 17 in NT, Rd 19 in Hobart) have played several more games at smaller venues.

Given their middling membership it will be interesting to see how they / if they surge when they get back into contention
 

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Lol ok... Richmond will be third in attendance's behind Essendon and Collingwood. Richmond are top 4 if Essendon were top 4 Richmond would not be close.

If Collingwood were top 4 we will be 1st in attandence by some big margin and ATM we are 13th compared to Richmond 4 and the pies will be ahead of them after 19 rounds. Collingwood will need to draw over 31,000 at today's game against Adelaide which will happen. MCC expecting 36,000.

Stat..... when ever Collingwood has made the finals since the afl began in 1990 Collingwood has always finished 1st. The only times Essendon and Richmond have finished higher then Collingwood in attendance is when they have made the finals and Collingwood have missed out. When all teams have missed the finals Collingwood is first again.
It's a fair point being made by EyeLoveRichmond. It helps the pies that you have an arrangement to play on two public holidays, and against Carlton and Essendon twice most years during that period. You quote the AFL era since 1990 - Richmond have been crap for all but 2-3 years. We still don't know how well Richmond can draw crowds if firing, since we're still nowhere near as good as Collingwood of 2010/11, or Essendon of 2000/01.
 
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It wasn't long ago that Carlton's floor against Geelong was in the 40,000's at Ethiad.
From the past 15 years, the only two fixtures in the second half of a year with the Blues down the bottom of the ladder:

Round 14 2006, Carlton (15th) v Geelong - 32,096
Round 21 2014, Carlton (13th) v Geelong - 38,812

Given their middling membership it will be interesting to see how they / if they surge when they get back into contention
That's crazy talk, Hawkk. Why would their attendances improve in conjunction with their on-field performances!
 
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