Resource 2017 AFL and AFLW Crowds and Ratings

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Nice try, but it's a fact that Essendon have never outdrawn Collingwood while finishing below them on the ladder. In fact, history shows Essendon are required to be at least 4 places higher on the ladder and have won 4 more matches in order to match Collingwood for crowds. That's exactly where they will probably end up this year, and as a result, the two teams' crowds will be almost identical. Anytime the two teams finish near each other on the ladder, Collingwood end up in front by a significant margin.

This hold true when both teams played out of their suburban grounds, when Essendon moved to the G while Collingwood was still at Victoria Park, and since the opening of Docklands.

As always, reverse the onfield positions and Collingwood would be outperforming Essendon in the same situation.

Here's a handy cut-out-and-keep guide to the average crowds when particular ladder differences between the two sides occur:

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Or if you prefer number of wins as a better indicator:

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stadiums that the clubs play in, play a big factor in attendances
 

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Stadiums definitely play a huge part now.
Playing home games at Etihad is a huge noose around our neck and will hold our figures back for as long as we play there.
They signed the deal..
the pies were smart enough to not, there is your difference. I don't think it can be really used as an excuse until it's a sell out every week.


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They signed the deal..
the pies were smart enough to not, there is your difference. I don't think it can be really used as an excuse until it's a sell out every week.


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Agreed. I was angry at the time but financially it made good sense.
Now though it definitely halts our growth and something we should be looking into.
 

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They signed the deal..
the pies were smart enough to not, there is your difference. I don't think it can be really used as an excuse until it's a sell out every week.


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Wired isn't it considering attendances in the 3 season prior to the docklands move.
1999 630,399 11 57,309
1998 603,830 11 54,893
1997 581,330 11 52,848

Dollars signs must of been to good to refuse or the AFL needed a strong tenant at docklands thus essendon the answer
 

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They signed the deal..
the pies were smart enough to not, there is your difference. I don't think it can be really used as an excuse until it's a sell out every week.


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Your first point is bang on and the club is talking about amending the ratio as part if it's next home ground negotiation.

Your second point is inaccurate. Essendon has a healthy amount of MCC and AFL members that won't go to Ethihad, as demonstrated by yesterday's attendance. The Melbourne game earlier this year at Ethihad as an example drew a 'good' crowd of 40,400 but almost always draws 50-55,000 at the G. There's 10,000 impact right there.

As they become a decent side again the impact magnifies. Next week they play the Crows in what's likely to be almost a full stadium of around 40,000. Yet 'if' it were at the G it's likely it would draw more AFL, MCC members, some neutrals and draw around 50,000.

The Blues drew 36,000 this year to the G against the Crowd, you'd think that at best it would've drawn 30-32,000 to Ethihad.

The impact is real, more real in better years on field like in 2017. This year it may only account for 35-45,000 people for the year but that's the difference between finishing the third top attended club in 2017 and the best attended club.
 

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Wired isn't it considering attendances in the 3 season prior to the docklands move.
1999 630,399 11 57,309
1998 603,830 11 54,893
1997 581,330 11 52,848

Dollars signs must of been to good to refuse or the AFL needed a strong tenant at docklands thus essendon the answer
The stadium needed an anchor and Essendon signed the deal. Financially very lucrative but 17 years on they'd like to tweak the split somewhat.
 

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Your first point is bang on and the club is talking about amending the ratio as part if it's next home ground negotiation.

Your second point is inaccurate. Essendon has a healthy amount of MCC and AFL members that won't go to Ethihad, as demonstrated by yesterday's attendance. The Melbourne game earlier this year at Ethihad as an example drew a 'good' crowd of 40,400 but almost always draws 50-55,000 at the G. There's 10,000 impact right there.

As they become a decent side again the impact magnifies. Next week they play the Crows in what's likely to be almost a full stadium of around 40,000. Yet 'if' it were at the G it's likely it would draw more AFL, MCC members, some neutrals and draw around 50,000.

The Blues drew 36,000 this year to the G against the Crowd, you'd think that at best it would've drawn 30-32,000 to Ethihad.

The impact is real, more real in better years on field like in 2017. This year it may only account for 35-45,000 people for the year but that's the difference between finishing the third top attended club in 2017 and the best attended club.
I genuinely think the Carlton match would have been low-40s were it at Etihad.

The crowd against Adelaide will be interesting. I think Adelaide are just too good for it to be a large crowd; there's not really any expectation of a win. Although, high 30s should be possible. I didn't think Essendon would have 1 million aggregate this year, but baring losing to Adelaide and the Gold Coast they will get there, whether they make finals or not. Richmond and possibly Collingwood will too. It's been a good year for crowds in Melbourne.
 

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Have no idea when the ACT government sponsorship is up, but i wonder what will happen with Manuka and the proposed or even watered down development of the ground now, looking at recent articles about junior footy being on world record pace in Canberra :) and now the popularity of GWS and AFL footy at Manuka.

You would think something will happen.
Just re-reading the CT article linked by wookie above. It's clear that part of the sweetener for the ACT Government to allow the Grocon development proposal is not only the $100 mill upgrade to Manuka, but the likelihood that the Giants would need no further ACT Govt payment in perpetuity.

That's a saving of $123M+ to the ACT budget, at a time when they are swamped by building a tram network and buying up Mr Fluffy houses, while putting the new Bruce replacement on the backburner.

A few dozen very influential Manuka residents would be holding up the Grocon proposal, but looking at the numbers and the fact that Manuka Oval and environs are here to stay as a sporting and entertainment precinct, the ACT govt will eventually tick this off.
 

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Shattered in the shit day today, possibly 70000 turns into about 50000 id reckon. Being locked out at the cattery and with Freo on the well down, I can see the bombers maybe piping us for best attended of the year


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Tiger fans pretty good at showing up in the wet but we'll wait and see. I still think 60+. A similar day to yesterday would have seen well over 70K.
 

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Tiger fans pretty good at showing up in the wet but we'll wait and see. I still think 60+. A similar day to yesterday would have seen well over 70K.
Yeah I may stand corrected. Bendigo train packing up to the likes of the swans and Anzac eve.


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Shattered in the shit day today, possibly 70000 turns into about 50000 id reckon. Being locked out at the cattery and with Freo on the well down, I can see the bombers maybe piping us for best attended of the year


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Don't think the Bombers will draw more than the Tiges this year. We can't draw over 40,000 next week unfortunately and I suspect the Dockers will honour their last home match at Domain (against Richmond) and draw a few thousand on sentimentality!! You can rest easy I think. I think the Pies will be top club. Despite form, their MCG dominated fixture (even played the Dogs away there this year!) will be too much to overcome for the Dons / Tiges.
 

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Shattered in the shit day today, possibly 70000 turns into about 50000 id reckon. Being locked out at the cattery and with Freo on the well down, I can see the bombers maybe piping us for best attended of the year


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Yeah it's bummer the weather is miserable, a nice sunny day we would've been around the 70 mark but I'm still hoping upwards of 60K...

Nope! we will still finish ahead of the bombers, that last game v saints (weather permitting) with saints vying for the 8 and possibly riewolds last game think it will be upwards of 70K
Imo we'll finish on top>15-25K ahead of Ess and 40K+ ahead of pies!
 

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Don't think the Bombers will draw more than the Tiges this year. We can't draw over 40,000 next week unfortunately and I suspect the Dockers will honour their last home match at Domain (against Richmond) and draw a few thousand on sentimentality!! You can rest easy I think. I think the Pies will be top club. Despite form, their MCG dominated fixture (even played the Dogs away there this year!) will be too much to overcome for the Dons / Tiges.
60000 turned out yesterday to a red and black dominated MCG.
When the dons got 41000 to the lions a few weeks ago there is no reason that Etihad won't sell out this week with everything on the line and a bloody great record of smashing good teams at the venue.
Surely a sell out.
Reckon you might get another 5-10 thousand up this week as I can't see 60000 turning out in this weather and should get another 10000 up next week with us at the cattery.
Withstanding a massive round 23 turn up with the Saints, I think you guys have us covered too


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60000 turned out yesterday to a red and black dominated MCG.
When the dons got 41000 to the lions a few weeks ago there is no reason that Etihad won't sell out this week with everything on the line and a bloody great record of smashing good teams at the venue.
Surely a sell out.
Reckon you might get another 5-10 thousand up this week as I can't see 60000 turning out in this weather and should get another 10000 up next week with us at the cattery.
Withstanding a massive round 23 turn up with the Saints, I think you guys have us covered too


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True.. Issue for EFC is a 'sellout' at Ethihad means 41-42,000 as we sell so many season seats. AFL standard is approx 60% member show rate to home games so there's a working capacity for Essendon next week if low 40's. It's been the case for the last 5/6 years as the club sells more season seats.
 
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