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I disagree. In the current climate where Ethihad is not 'going great', and Essendon coming off two losses, I thought it was excellent. The first game (43K) bumped the average and the other games over 40,000 I believe were when Essendon were a side in the top 8??Therefore, given these factors this was a very good attendance.

This year Vic derbies struggle to draw over 40,000 with many this year around 30,000. 34,000 involving the Power is a very good crowd.
I fully agree.

Dons not pulling up trees in recent weeks - EG scoreboard V the Tigers flattered Essendon - 34K definitely a very good turnout.......and what a first quarter early comers saw.
 

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I am not sure what to expect for the Carlton and GWS game? Could it push 25k or is that too optimistic? 28,213, 25,008 & 16,676 are Carlton's previous home matches against GWS
 
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I'm with you on this one. Port don't draw well in Melbourne. Their biggest H&A crowd in Melbourne is still their very first game 51883 v Collingwood way back in 1997 and next biggest 43012 v Essendon which I think was the first ever game at Etihad. This is a snapshot of all their crowds of 30k in Melbourne
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So 34K was an excellent crowd last night.
 

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Looming ahead to Richmond V Sydney next week...

Fine day, Saturday afternoon, Swans on a roll (forget their ladder position - they're rolling and all their Melbourne fans will be at the G), tigers top 4 shaping as a genuine 50/50 blockbuster... Good game for neutrals to use their MCC / AFL memberships.

History says when a big 4 club plays in a favourable time slot at the MCG against the Swans it will draw over 50,000 and sometimes over 60,000.

55-60K is achievable.
 

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Looming ahead to Richmond V Sydney next week...

Fine day, Saturday afternoon, Swans on a roll (forget their ladder position - they're rolling and all their Melbourne fans will be at the G), tigers top 4 shaping as a genuine 50/50 blockbuster... Good game for neutrals to use their MCC / AFL memberships.

History says when a big 4 club plays in a favourable time slot at the MCG against the Swans it will draw over 50,000 and sometimes over 60,000.

55-60K is achievable.
Yes, in their 124th home game against an interstate side, it might finally be time for Richmond to break the 50k barrier.
 

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Looming ahead to Richmond V Sydney next week...

Fine day, Saturday afternoon, Swans on a roll (forget their ladder position - they're rolling and all their Melbourne fans will be at the G), tigers top 4 shaping as a genuine 50/50 blockbuster... Good game for neutrals to use their MCC / AFL memberships.

History says when a big 4 club plays in a favourable time slot at the MCG against the Swans it will draw over 50,000 and sometimes over 60,000.

55-60K is achievable.
I agree that it should, but don't think it will.

42000 vs eagles
31000 vs Freo

For some reason we don't come out in the numbers we do against interstate sides. 40-45K is a max for what a competitive Richmond pulls against interstate, while against the dons, pies or blues 50-55K will turn out.

Anything over 45K would've a pretty great turn out I'd think!


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Stars have finally aligned for the Tigers to get a big crowd against an interstate side but I don't regard the Swans as a true interstate side due to their large Melbourne supporter base and South Melbourne heritage. We drew 50k against them in 1980 at Waverley doesn't that count as 50K against an "interstate" side? It is still the Swans right? But back to this game I would be disappointed with less than 50K. Surely there should be at least 40K Tigers and 15K Swans. Based on that I really want to see 60K. I think it deserves a monster crowd based on recent history (forget about the last game though)
 

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Stars have finally aligned for the Tigers to get a big crowd against an interstate side but I don't regard the Swans as a true interstate side due to their large Melbourne supporter base and South Melbourne heritage. We drew 50k against them in 1980 at Waverley doesn't that count as 50K against an "interstate" side? It is still the Swans right? But back to this game I would be disappointed with less than 50K. Surely there should be at least 40K Tigers and 15K Swans. Based on that I really want to see 60K. I think it deserves a monster crowd based on recent history (forget about the last game though)
50,000 in 1980 against South Melbourne, as they were at the time, definitely doesn't count.

I think it'll be touch and go to get 50,000. Should beat what I believe is their record against interstate opposition of 46,961 against Brisbane in 2013.
 

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For some reason we don't come out in the numbers we do against interstate sides. 40-45K is a max for what a competitive Richmond pulls against interstate, while against the dons, pies or blues 50-55K will turn out.
You can scrub the Blues from that list. Their best home game against interstate teams is even worse than Richmond's and is only 44k against Adelaide. Although to be fair to Carlton, they played pretty much every game at Princes Park until 2005 and they've only had 9 games at the MCG, compared to 86 for Richmond. Still, they've only got to 40k seven times, which is pretty low.

I posted this earlier in the season so it doesn't include most of this year's games:

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You can scrub the Blues from that list. Their best home game against interstate teams is even worse than Richmond's and is only 44k against Adelaide. Although to be fair to Carlton, they played pretty much every game at Princes Park until 2005 and they've only had 9 games at the MCG, compared to 86 for Richmond. Still, they've only got to 40k seven times, which is pretty low.

I posted this earlier in the season so it doesn't include most of this year's games:

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Good stats. Also Carlton & Essendon played their interstate games at Ethihad post 2000. You can be fairly certain the spate of high 30's and mid / high 40's crowds v interstate sides at Ethihad would've added to these teams tallies in both the columns if plated at the MCG.
 

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Good stats. Also Carlton & Essendon played their interstate games at Ethihad post 2000. You can be fairly certain the spate of high 30's and mid / high 40's crowds v interstate sides at Ethihad would've added to these teams tallies in both the columns if plated at the MCG.
I'm sure Essendon would have had more 50k crowds, not sure about Carlton. Some of those mid 90's games Carlton had against the Eagles would certainly have gotten 50k if played at the MCG.
 

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Good stats. Also Carlton & Essendon played their interstate games at Ethihad post 2000. You can be fairly certain the spate of high 30's and mid / high 40's crowds v interstate sides at Ethihad would've added to these teams tallies in both the columns if plated at the MCG.
Essendon has only 2 crowds that are just under 50k at Docklands: 48,913 against WC in 2007 and 47,744 against Brisbane in 2003. All the available evidence comparing Essendon's post 2000 crowds when they play the same teams at both the MCG and Docklands show little or no difference between the 2 stadia. You could mount a case for the Eagles game getting there at the G but even the Brisbane game would be touch and go, and there would be almost no chance of any other game leaping up. All of these 'near misses' were in the first decade of Docklands games when big crowds (even 50k+) were reasonably common as well, not like today when 45k seems like an impossible figure to achieve.

As for the 'nearly 40k' crowds you have nearly the same number at the MCG as at Docklands. It seems to be a common type of figure for Essendon to get at each venue.

As for Carlton, they really don't get anywhere near close enough to 50k to say they would've got there at the MCG. They usually don't get anywhere near 40k either so I wouldn't say they're missing much there either. Extrapolating Princes Park crowds from the 90s to the MCG is an almost impossible task but I will say that they seemed to rarely max out against the interstaters.
 

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Essendon has only 2 crowds that are just under 50k at Docklands: 48,913 against WC in 2007 and 47,744 against Brisbane in 2003. All the available evidence comparing Essendon's post 2000 crowds when they play the same teams at both the MCG and Docklands show little or no difference between the 2 stadia. You could mount a case for the Eagles game getting there at the G but even the Brisbane game would be touch and go, and there would be almost no chance of any other game leaping up. All of these 'near misses' were in the first decade of Docklands games when big crowds (even 50k+) were reasonably common as well, not like today when 45k seems like an impossible figure to achieve.

As for the 'nearly 40k' crowds you have nearly the same number at the MCG as at Docklands. It seems to be a common type of figure for Essendon to get at each venue.

As for Carlton, they really don't get anywhere near close enough to 50k to say they would've got there at the MCG. They usually don't get anywhere near 40k either so I wouldn't say they're missing much there either. Extrapolating Princes Park crowds from the 90s to the MCG is an almost impossible task but I will say that they seemed to rarely max out against the interstaters.
Good insight. However those two Bomber crowds were actually sold out blockbusters on a Friday night. I remember the Eagles game sold out during the day of the match. Had they been at the G they would've likely drawn low / mid 50,000's with some addition if neutrals in the two member reserves.

Even the Eagles game in i think 2013 (Drew 43,200) was a sell out on a Friday night with huge interest at the time. Only reason it wasn't much higher was due to Eesendon's vast reserved seat holders not filling their seats on the night. This became a limiting factor around 7-8 years ago when they sold many more season seats. These sort of games on a Friday night are the ones that draw neutral support (after work crowd) and swell the overall attendance. This is a factor that gets missed when comparing Ethihad and the MCG.
 

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Good insight. However those two Bomber crowds were actually sold out blockbusters on a Friday night. I remember the Eagles game sold out during the day of the match. Had they been at the G they would've likely drawn low / mid 50,000's with some addition if neutrals in the two member reserves.

Even the Eagles game in i think 2013 (Drew 43,200) was a sell out on a Friday night with huge interest at the time. Only reason it wasn't much higher was due to Eesendon's vast reserved seat holders not filling their seats on the night. This became a limiting factor around 7-8 years ago when they sold many more season seats. These sort of games on a Friday night are the ones that draw neutral support (after work crowd) and swell the overall attendance. This is a factor that gets missed when comparing Ethihad and the MCG.
Even the Sydney game was a sellout in 2014.
 

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Even the Sydney game was a sellout in 2014.
Correct. That game Vs Sydney 'only' drew 42,700 and was about 4 weeks after that Eagles sellout (43,200). Two examples of games played at Ethihad which most likely would've drawn over 50,000 at the G.

It's a catch 22 for Essendon and potentially Carlton too. The point being that when Essendon (and Carlton possibly) get back to being an on field force again, it will find it hard to justify playing 7 home games at Ethihad whilst selling so many reserved seats packages. It is one of few clubs that will draw over 50,000 against interstate sides when going well on field.

It's next stadium negotiation will be interesting on many levels.

Anyhow, good to see Carlton win yesterday in front of a very satisfactory crowd of 23K. A win at the GC next week sets up a very healthy crowd against Richmond the following week.
 
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