Live Chat 2017 AFL Draft - #2, #5, #42, #60, #66, #70, #77, #80, #90

Which players do we take with #2 & #5?

  • Luke Davies-Uniacke

    Votes: 128 77.6%
  • Cameron Rayner

    Votes: 25 15.2%
  • Darcy Fogarty

    Votes: 42 25.5%
  • Adam Cerra

    Votes: 12 7.3%
  • Jaidyn Stephenson

    Votes: 8 4.8%
  • Paddy Dow

    Votes: 28 17.0%
  • Andrew Brayshaw

    Votes: 56 33.9%
  • Jack Higgins

    Votes: 3 1.8%
  • Sam Hayes

    Votes: 1 0.6%
  • Jarrod Brander

    Votes: 1 0.6%
  • Aaron Naughton

    Votes: 8 4.8%
  • Oscar Allen

    Votes: 4 2.4%
  • Nick Coffield

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Charlie Constable

    Votes: 1 0.6%
  • Hunter Clark

    Votes: 2 1.2%
  • Noah Balta

    Votes: 2 1.2%
  • Aiden Bonar

    Votes: 2 1.2%

  • Total voters
    165
  • Poll closed .

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Pretty sure Johnno going around again is partially to give time for Pearce to find his feet. That and we have about 30 games experience in the backline without him or Spurr (who looks way more cooked).
I agree - A.Pearce will likely spend the first part of the year at Peel and giving games to Johnson early in the year is a smart move to allow Pearce time to get conditioned to AFL.
 

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Case and point is O'Reilly. Half of this board have him penciled in as a 300 game, 600 goal KPF when in reality nobody (well maybe somebody does) here has any idea if he is actually good or if he will even get to Freo. I know he is not in any of the rankings for u17 players at the moment. Obviously those lists tend to change but 1st round KPFs usually have plenty of hype around them by this stage.
Coincidentally I was just looking at how O'Reilly could potentially fit in a future depth chart :) He had a break out this season after the various u18/u17 teams etc were worked out so didn't really get much of a look in - whereas the SA boys, King twins, Hill etc have been showing dominance in u16s and prior.

O'Reilly will already be on all AFL club radars after topping the Colts goal kicking tally as a bottom ager this year (it's pretty impressive when you think about it) but I'm not expecting the media to pick up on him much until they start talking next year's u18s. I suspect he'll be a key piece of the WA u18s team next year but no guarantees. Also expecting him to be draft bolter based on watching him live but he's got a fair bit of work ahead of him still. He didn't play a game this season (19 games including two WAFL League games) where he didn't kick at least one goal. That kind of consistency is friggin awesome imo. And his bags of 7 and 5 goals shows he can dominate when given an opportunity. Watching him live two things stood out: his presence inside 50, and how smart he was as a tall forward (working with the other forwards and mids). Gut feel says his endurance is below par atm. And relating to that he's probably more a stay at home full forward currently and not your typical CHF type that seem to be sought after at draft. Will be tough watching him develop again next year knowing we were only two games short of f/s. Would love him to succeed even if he doesn't end up at Freo.
 
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Pretty sure Johnno going around again is partially to give time for Pearce to find his feet. That and we have about 30 games experience in the backline without him or Spurr (who looks way more cooked).

Hopefully Alex finds some form before we run Johnno ragged.

Edit: Cox is definitely a defender, but just happens to be a decent forward too because he is a footballer. Was u18 AA at CHB for a reason.
Yeah I know but I really think he is cooked, Spurr should be even further away from the team so no argument there. Seems like a perfect time to play Cox down back if Pearce needs some WAFL games to find his feet
 

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Day 1 of Pre Season is before the draft from memory. If Alex Pearce is there day 1 and running laps, then it's a great sign. If hes in good nick, it could be a sign that hes ready to go, so no need for Naughton. If Pearce gets most of the pre season in, bookmark him for Round One.
 
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Just gone back over each players clips etc this evening and only on the 2018 nab highlights and comparing them I think there is a clear line emerging for me. In those it is unfortunate that Fogarty and Cerra both were not 100% match fitness for different reasons yet performed quite well. They would have been much better injury free and a good preseason like Dow Rayner, LDU and Stephenson. So here goes

1 Rayner by a whisker over Dow - both consistenly good across most areas throughout the championships. They are both the best inside mids going only on the highlights imop.(Rayner is so good to watch though...man i hope we get him).

3 Davies Uniacke...the perfect all rounder Judd like - his only blemish was the game against WA. Was shown up several times under WA's pressure, closing in speed and tackling.

4 Stephenson ...Looks a bit ungainly at times but he really did not put a foot wrong and has lots of upside. Consistent and has all aspects to his game.

5 Fogarty and Cerra both exceptional talents with all round games but who were not able to show us the consistency of such talented players during
2017. Dont think we could lose on either quite frankly but I dont think we would see either make their 2018 debut without a really good preseason and no interuption with minor injuries.

6. Higgins has been highly underated as a top quality by mst of us here I suggest. Very quick with hands, good on both sides, inside mid as well as forward opportunist. He could be a surprise pick and would not disappoint. Coffield is the other at 6 and has been the "fit Fogarty" so to speak" so say no more.

7 Brayshaw sits in about here with quite a few others imop. He really has a footy brain and matches it with his skills.

So for me Rayner and Fogarty. If the cards don't fall right for that, Dow and Fogarty/Uniacke
 

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Man, if theirs ever been a better example of cherry picking convenient facts I'd like to see it
But we picked up Sandilands in the 2002 rookie draft, and you know who went at pick #2 that year? Daniel Wells - drafted from Peel. So we should only draft talls in the rookie draft unless they are midfielders from Peel at #2

(some of these arguments don't even make sense after a while)
 

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Well Mexicans do love their TACo’s
Anyone else think the professional environment of the TAC cup could be a negative in the long term
So these young fellas step pretty much into a AFL club simulation , the training , the diet , the game tactics etc
After a couple of years of this these guys are pretty close to AFL ready and all look the goods in their draft year , the recruiters look at them and at the young WAFL or SANFL players and even to their experienced eye they just look superior so obviously draft accordingly
BUT after a few years and the development imbalance has been rectified it turns out quite a few of those TACo’s were not all they were cracked up to be

Just a thought



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Just gone back over each players clips etc this evening and only on the 2018 nab highlights and comparing them I think there is a clear line emerging for me. In those it is unfortunate that Fogarty and Cerra both were not 100% match fitness for different reasons yet performed quite well. They would have been much better injury free and a good preseason like Dow Rayner, LDU and Stephenson. So here goes

1 Rayner by a whisker over Dow - both consistenly good across most areas throughout the championships. They are both the best inside mids going only on the highlights imop.(Rayner is so good to watch though...man i hope we get him).

3 Davies Uniacke...the perfect all rounder Judd like - his only blemish was the game against WA. Was shown up several times under WA's pressure, closing in speed and tackling.

4 Stephenson ...Looks a bit ungainly at times but he really did not put a foot wrong and has lots of upside. Consistent and has all aspects to his game.

5 Fogarty and Cerra both exceptional talents with all round games but who were not able to show us the consistency of such talented players during
2017. Dont think we could lose on either quite frankly but I dont think we would see either make their 2018 debut without a really good preseason and no interuption with minor injuries.

6. Higgins has been highly underated as a top quality by mst of us here I suggest. Very quick with hands, good on both sides, inside mid as well as forward opportunist. He could be a surprise pick and would not disappoint. Coffield is the other at 6 and has been the "fit Fogarty" so to speak" so say no more.

7 Brayshaw sits in about here with quite a few others imop. He really has a footy brain and matches it with his skills.

So for me Rayner and Fogarty. If the cards don't fall right for that, Dow and Fogarty/Uniacke
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Except I do like LDU a bit more than Dow.
For those suggesting we choose Brayshaw at pick 2, in my opinion that would be like being treated to a free meal in Paris & choosing McDonalds!
It may be a Royale with cheese, & it will fill you up, but look at what you could have had
 

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We just picked a 200+ game key position player?!
Then why argue something that is not that bad , is not like you can't draft mid at later pick or guarantee one over the other. Peoples here are making stuff like drafting KPP over a mid is such a big deal , there is a reason every team had 44 players in AFL competition . I don't care who Freo Pick at 2 and 5 but in two years time their performance should at least be equal to GC Weller and pick 40 .
 
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For those suggesting we choose Brayshaw at pick 2, in my opinion that would be like being treated to a free meal in Paris & choosing McDonalds!
Beware the bolter. Is it because of long term potential or short term success? Similarly for sliders. Is it due to short term failure or a worsening long term outlook?

If the answer is the first choice of each of those questions then draft away. If it's the second I'd find a better alternative.
 

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This here is the problem. If he wasnt from WA (Peel in particular) this wouldnt even be a discussion. The only reason there are some people on here who want him so badly is because they have seen him live over any of the other available proposed top 10 picks. For the record, most of us who DONT want him fully expect him to be a 200 game player from what we've seen. It's that he doesnt fit our list at the moment which is stacked for young KPD's that project as terrific players and that using pick 5 on a spot where we are covered seems redundant.
Our list is stacked with young KPD's ,really:rolleyes:.........................Who are these plethora of terrific young KPD's;)
 

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Just gone back over each players clips etc this evening and only on the 2018 nab highlights and comparing them I think there is a clear line emerging for me. In those it is unfortunate that Fogarty and Cerra both were not 100% match fitness for different reasons yet performed quite well. They would have been much better injury free and a good preseason like Dow Rayner, LDU and Stephenson. So here goes

1 Rayner by a whisker over Dow - both consistenly good across most areas throughout the championships. They are both the best inside mids going only on the highlights imop.(Rayner is so good to watch though...man i hope we get him).

3 Davies Uniacke...the perfect all rounder Judd like - his only blemish was the game against WA. Was shown up several times under WA's pressure, closing in speed and tackling.

4 Stephenson ...Looks a bit ungainly at times but he really did not put a foot wrong and has lots of upside. Consistent and has all aspects to his game.

5 Fogarty and Cerra both exceptional talents with all round games but who were not able to show us the consistency of such talented players during
2017. Dont think we could lose on either quite frankly but I dont think we would see either make their 2018 debut without a really good preseason and no interuption with minor injuries.

6. Higgins has been highly underated as a top quality by mst of us here I suggest. Very quick with hands, good on both sides, inside mid as well as forward opportunist. He could be a surprise pick and would not disappoint. Coffield is the other at 6 and has been the "fit Fogarty" so to speak" so say no more.

7 Brayshaw sits in about here with quite a few others imop. He really has a footy brain and matches it with his skills.

So for me Rayner and Fogarty. If the cards don't fall right for that, Dow and Fogarty/Uniacke
Good write up , I like Higgins still think GwS or bulldog are the team that will bring out the best in him . Will you do a write up on KPP also ,my top 3 Ballenden , Brander and Naughton .
 

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Rayner on SEN this morning is sticking to the managed line, ‘happy to go anywhere but prefer to stay home.’ Sounds like he’s managed by Connors so you’d assume the messaging is crafted to not be tampering but clear on intention. Will be interesting to see whether the Club maintains the line to go with the best available regardless of his flight risk and backs itself to retain him once in the system. Or whether its trading philosophy of luring local boys home plus the recent Weller and Balic experiences have had some influence in the decision making. They have ignored the go home factor when recruiting to date so interesting to see if they hold their nerve given the recent history.


SEN Breakfast - Cam Rayner on SEN Breakfast- Tuesday October 31 https://player.whooshkaa.com/episode/?id=151744 via @whooshkaa
 

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I think our main focus at pick 2 will be addressing our lack of pacey inside mids so for me it comes down to Rayner, LDU or Dow.

That's 2 Vic Country and 1 Vic Metro and I think we'll favour the country boys slightly over Rayner. So if Bris go LDU we'll take Dow.
If they go Dow we'll go LDU.
If they take Rayner we've got a tough choice but will probably go LDU???
 

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He said on SEN breakfast he w
has a source that says Brisbane will still pick Rayner (after they just finished interviewing Rayner).


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I reckon it's bullshit and he is just guessing like everyone else,

I'd be more than happy with UDL if that was the case although I'd have to get a new avi :D
 

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I'm also not convinced the go home factor will influence Brisbane's decision too much. Last year they had Ben Ainsworth literally come out and say he hopes that Brisbane pick him up, and they went for the higher rated Vic Metro mid in McLuggage
 

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Yeah Rayner and SPS is vomit inducing.

As an aside did you see Maurice Junior?
Can be F/S for both Fremantle and Richmond?
He certainly can be.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...s/news-story/402e831189fdeb80c8ede665eadfc4f5

Eligible as a father-son selection for the Tigers — where Maurice played 118 games, won two best and fairest awards and a Norm Smith Medal — Rioli Jr displayed all the traits of his famous relatives, including his legendary father and current day AFL stars Cyril and Daniel Rioli.

But Richmond could have a fight on their hands to secure the youngster when he becomes eligible for the draft in 2020.

Rioli Jr also available to Fremantle under the father-son rule after his father played 168 games for South Fremantle.


You would think Richmond would be the front runners cos of Daniel but we will be in his ear for sure
 
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