LDU can make a proper instant impact on ANY teams midfield not just being put in the mids to gain experience, but actually in there because he is a machine. He will win the rising star for which ever team he goes to. Big strong, contested ball winner with good skills (i didn't say elite just good). He will make a material difference to our team which i personally think is slowly losing midfield POWER. Rayner who can play for bursts through the midfield, wont be a ball winner with his fitness and in his first year we can't expect him to be a massive goal kicker. For me a good comparison might be Oliver and Petracca, both good but if you take Oliver he makes an instant difference to the amount of wins your team gets. Just get LDU stick him in the hard stuff and watch him grow. Then get Fogarty, who i think will be better than Rayner as he was rated higher as junior is a more well rounded player (can play every position well) and has a fitness base that we can work with. If we get those two we can get 22 first team quality games out of both NOT ROOKIE QUALITY GAMES. People are getting to hyped over the next dustin martin tag on Rayner, i'm sure he will be a good player but he ain't no dusty. Dusty was a freak even as a junior Rayner isn't the next Dusty he is a poor mans dusty.