Live Chat 2017 AFL Draft - #2, #5, #42, #60, #66, #70, #77, #80, #90

Which players do we take with #2 & #5?

  • Luke Davies-Uniacke

    Votes: 128 77.6%
  • Cameron Rayner

    Votes: 25 15.2%
  • Darcy Fogarty

    Votes: 42 25.5%
  • Adam Cerra

    Votes: 12 7.3%
  • Jaidyn Stephenson

    Votes: 8 4.8%
  • Paddy Dow

    Votes: 28 17.0%
  • Andrew Brayshaw

    Votes: 56 33.9%
  • Jack Higgins

    Votes: 3 1.8%
  • Sam Hayes

    Votes: 1 0.6%
  • Jarrod Brander

    Votes: 1 0.6%
  • Aaron Naughton

    Votes: 8 4.8%
  • Oscar Allen

    Votes: 4 2.4%
  • Nick Coffield

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Charlie Constable

    Votes: 1 0.6%
  • Hunter Clark

    Votes: 2 1.2%
  • Noah Balta

    Votes: 2 1.2%
  • Aiden Bonar

    Votes: 2 1.2%

  • Total voters
    165
  • Poll closed .

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Please do not draft a tall with 2 picks inside the top 5! Midfielders can impact our team NOW, talls will take at least 2 years before doing anything.
 

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Please do not draft a tall with 2 picks inside the top 5! Midfielders can impact our team NOW, talls will take at least 2 years before doing anything.
Impacting now should be least of their considerations, you want the best players; Not a Powel-Pepper type bustling around bumping chests and getting 20 kicks straight out on the full every game. If a tall is the best player on the board at pick 5 you take them.
 

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Please do not draft a tall with 2 picks inside the top 5! Midfielders can impact our team NOW, talls will take at least 2 years before doing anything.
It's also not true. Highly unlikely they'd be allowed to run much on the ball in their first season and they'd still be on limited minutes in their second unless they come with a naturally massive tank (Brayshaw possibly)
 

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A few permutations:

Most likely to least likely

1. Rayner
2. LDU
3. Dow
4. Cerra
5. Brayshaw

1.Rayner
2.LDU
3.Dow
4.Stephenson
5.Cerra

1.Rayner
2.Dow
3.Cerra
4.LDU
5.Brayshaw

1.Brayshaw
2.Rayner
3.Dow
4.LDU
5.Cerra
Yeah those do seem like the likely scenarios at this point, can't say I'd be upset with any of them
 

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A few permutations:

Most likely to least likely

1. Rayner
2. LDU
3. Dow
4. Cerra
5. Brayshaw

1.Rayner
2.LDU
3.Dow
4.Stephenson
5.Cerra

1.Rayner
2.Dow
3.Cerra
4.LDU
5.Brayshaw

1.Brayshaw
2.Rayner
3.Dow
4.LDU
5.Cerra
If you assume the top 7 are equally likely to go at any pick, and no club is more likely to pick one over the other, there are 2,520 permutations. Good luck picking the right one!
 

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Rayner did 2km in 7:57 which is pretty average to poor. Might be too risky for Brisbane and freo...
When you consider the circumstances, ie he was out with a running preventative injury for a period of time and he had a poor fitness base, sub 8 mins is actually pretty good. People make a huge deal out of his tank but no one is picking him solely for his impact next year, fitness is the easiest aspect of football to improve upon and many of the people who have dealt with him through football see him as very capable of improving in that area. Also he averaged only a couple less possessions than LDU at champs level playing less minutes with a lower fitness level, his scope is outstanding.
 

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Rayner did 2km in 7:57 which is pretty average to poor. Might be too risky for Brisbane and freo...
Poor would be an understatement. Back of the pack stuff in an AFL squad.

Sure, anyone can build/improve a tank in theory. The issue is whether he will put in the effort to do so. Because he hasn't so far. I see a few similarities with Sylvia in terms of draft ranking, playing style and work ethic.
 

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Fitness for AFL requires pushing yourself quite hard, it doesn't happen by accident and the player has to really want it.

Poor endurance testing isn't the greatest display of application.

Poor endurance testing coming off an injury is a totally different proposition
 

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Yeah I agree his tank can and will improve and would still be happy to draft him if we get the chance. It may put clubs off a bit though especially if they don't feel he really pushed himself etc. All guess work though without being there and seeing how he went about it.

His upside is huge though.
 

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When you consider the circumstances, ie he was out with a running preventative injury for a period of time and he had a poor fitness base, sub 8 mins is actually pretty good. People make a huge deal out of his tank but no one is picking him solely for his impact next year, fitness is the easiest aspect of football to improve upon and many of the people who have dealt with him through football see him as very capable of improving in that area. Also he averaged only a couple less possessions than LDU at champs level playing less minutes with a lower fitness level, his scope is outstanding.
Rayner was injured at the combine itself, that was what? Three weeks ago? He can't have lost that much condition. Fogarty at least has the excuse of having not played since July after knee surgery.
 

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Sean Darcy completed his 2km time trail in 7:47. Sandi was 7.59, Ross Lyon was just behind him at 8:03.
I'm sorry guys, I love Rayner, but I really think he's tanking. He doesn't want to play for Brisbane or Freo. He's probably gone straight down to Princes Park and run a 6:40 time for the Carlton recruiters.
I don't subscribe to the 'we must take whoever is the best talent available' line. If a player doesn't want to play for us that's okay, we can find someone with the right attitude and get a really good team culture happening at the club.
 
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