Live Chat 2017 AFL Draft - #2, #5, #42, #60, #66, #70, #77, #80, #90

Which players do we take with #2 & #5?

  • Luke Davies-Uniacke

    Votes: 128 77.6%
  • Cameron Rayner

    Votes: 25 15.2%
  • Darcy Fogarty

    Votes: 42 25.5%
  • Adam Cerra

    Votes: 12 7.3%
  • Jaidyn Stephenson

    Votes: 8 4.8%
  • Paddy Dow

    Votes: 28 17.0%
  • Andrew Brayshaw

    Votes: 56 33.9%
  • Jack Higgins

    Votes: 3 1.8%
  • Sam Hayes

    Votes: 1 0.6%
  • Jarrod Brander

    Votes: 1 0.6%
  • Aaron Naughton

    Votes: 8 4.8%
  • Oscar Allen

    Votes: 4 2.4%
  • Nick Coffield

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Charlie Constable

    Votes: 1 0.6%
  • Hunter Clark

    Votes: 2 1.2%
  • Noah Balta

    Votes: 2 1.2%
  • Aiden Bonar

    Votes: 2 1.2%

  • Total voters
    165
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Story in the age today covered half a dozen clubs. This regarding the dockers:


FREMANTLE

Draft picks: 2, 5, 42, 60, 66, 70, 77, 80, 90.

KEY DEFENDERS: Joel Hamling, Alex Pearce, Griffin Logue, Michael Johnson.

SMALL/MEDIUM DEFENDERS: Nathan Wilson, Lee Spurr, Cameron Sutcliffe, Tommy Sheridan, Luke Ryan, Ryan Nyhuis, Ethan Hughes, Tayin Duman.

MIDFIELDERS: Nat Fyfe, Lachie Neale, Michael Walters, David Mundy, Brad Hill, Stephen Hill, Connor Blakely, Danyle Pearce, Ed Langdon, Brady Grey, Darcy Tucker.

KEY FORWARDS: Cam McCarthy, Shane Kersten, Matt Taberner, Brennan Cox, Michael Apeness.

SMALL/MEDIUM FORWARDS: Harley Bennell, Brandon Matera, Hayden Ballantyne.

RUCKS: Aaron Sandilands, Sean Darcy, Luke Strnadica.

Fremantle stared down Gold Coast and managed to procure pick two for the departing Lachie Weller in the dying minutes of the trade period, an outstanding result given they'd lost a highly talented young midfielder. It's a bit of a cliche, but the Dockers hold the keys to the draft given they have two picks inside the top five, a position of rare power for a club other than Greater Western Sydney in recent years. IThe Dockers lack ruck depth but no rucks in this draft look good enough to take so early. The expectation of late is that the Dockers will take Luke Davies-Uniacke at pick two, with the well balanced and powerful midfielder looking like the kind of player who could slot straight into Ross Lyon's first-round team and make a difference. Pick five is a bit less clear. The recent talk that Andy Brayshaw could go to Brisbane at pick one has been a bit of a curveball, but if the Lions opt for Cameron Rayner or Paddy Dow then Brayshaw could head to the Dockers, with the prospect of Haileybury pair Davies-Uniacke and Brayshaw venturing to Perth together appealing. Fremantle also have a handful of late picks and there has been some chatter that they could draft Hamish Brayshaw as well. Local boy Aaron Naughton has been linked to Fremantle's pick five but that would probably be a reach for the tall defender, especially given they took Logue early last year and still have young Alex Pearce on their books. With Zac Clarke and Jon Griffin gone it's not hard to envisage Fremantle picking a mature ruckman as a late pick or rookie. It's understood they showed interest in long-time Melbourne back-up Jake Spencer during the year.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...-by-club-guide--part-one-20171117-gznb1w.html

The part in bold is a great point. Reduces the go home factor a lot if you draft 2 team mates in LUD and Brayshaw if available.

Although Rayner has to be your pick if he is there. He is the standout star.
 
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I just hope that if Rayner is available, you don't let Carlton get him. Brisbane would be crazy not to get him but you never know.

Every draftee I have heard interviewed and asked the question : Who for number 1? They have all said they would pick Rayner. Proven match winner. Doesn't need a lot of possessions to turn the game.
Stamina is his only downside and also one of the easiest things for the club to improve, as long as he is dedicated.
 

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Re: Rayner 7:55 for 2km isn’t great but he has got improvement in him if he has been out injured for a few months.

Watching the clips of the top prospects Rayner stands out to me as the most impressive. His least impressive game at the Carnival he still kicked a lazy 6 goals.

My prediction for quite some time is LDU at 2 and Brayshaw at 5, but if Rayner is overlooked by Brisbane I’d back him in with the upside of improved fitness.
 

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Re: Rayner 7:55 for 2km isn’t great but he has got improvement in him if he has been out injured for a few months.

Watching the clips of the top prospects Rayner stands out to me as the most impressive. His least impressive game at the Carnival he still kicked a lazy 6 goals.

My prediction for quite some time is LDU at 2 and Brayshaw at 5, but if Rayner is overlooked by Brisbane I’d back him in with the upside of improved fitness.
I have been assuming forever that Rayner will go #1 and like you predicting we'd get LDU and Brayshawbut that time trial has got to be making Brissie shit their daks, they desperately need a 100% cert at pick 1. LDU has to be a red hot chance to go at #1 now
 

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I have been assuming forever that Rayner will go #1 and like you predicting we'd get LDU and Brayshawbut that time trial has got to be making Brissie shit their daks, they desperately need a 100% cert at pick 1. LDU has to be a red hot chance to go at #1 now
Dow then and maybe Brayshaw. Still can't go wrong
 

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I’m intrigued to see how we’ll choose if LDU goes at #1. I’d probably go Dow. IMO Brayshaw will slide to #5 and we’d be crazy not to take him there. Use the rest of our picks on forwards and a ruckman. I’ve been hot on LDU and Brayshaw for a long time now and hope that’s how the chips will fall for our first two picks.
 

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I’m intrigued to see how we’ll choose if LDU goes at #1. I’d probably go Dow. IMO Brayshaw will slide to #5 and we’d be crazy not to take him there. Use the rest of our picks on forwards and a ruckman. I’ve been hot on LDU and Brayshaw for a long time now and hope that’s how the chips will fall for our first two picks.
It’s hard to split Rayner, LDU and Dow so if we choose Dow at 2 then nothing wrong with that. We will end up with Cerra or Brayshaw at 5. Bring on the draft I say.
 

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If we're keen on LDU and Brayshaw then if either of them go at 1 we use pick 2 on the other.

Simples.

We can't be keen on both, have LDU go at 1 and then 'hope' Brayshaw is still there at 5.

Obviously our recruiters will have a few scenarios and as such we'll need a back up 3rd interest and possibly a 4th.
 

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If we're keen on LDU and Brayshaw then if either of them go at 1 we use pick 2 on the other.

Simples.

We can't be keen on both, have LDU go at 1 and then 'hope' Brayshaw is still there at 5.

Obviously our recruiters will have a few scenarios and as such we'll need a back up 3rd interest and possibly a 4th.
I don’t think we need a backup, we just order our preference of Rayner, LDU, Dow, Cerra, Brayshaw and pick best available at our picks. The two other players I’d consider at #5 is Fogarty and Stephenson but I’d prefer two of the above.
 

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I don’t think we need a backup, we just order our preference of Rayner, LDU, Dow, Cerra, Brayshaw and pick best available at our picks. The two other players I’d consider at #5 is Fogarty and Stephenson but I’d prefer two of the above.
You've basically said what I meant.
Only i'm saying we want LDU and Brayshaw.

So our order is LDU, Brayshaw etc etc.

Hence the need for a 3rd and 4th preference.
 
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First time poster here I have been reading the forums for a while now and decided to chime in. Ever since I saw the Hunter Clark tomorrow's heroes and they had a snippet of LDU talking he mentions they have been best friends for a long time....I'm thinking if we got LDU with pick 2 we may reach for Clark at 5. Seems like a Freo-esque curve ball draft.
 

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First time poster here I have been reading the forums for a while now and decided to chime in. Ever since I saw the Hunter Clark tomorrow's heroes and they had a snippet of LDU talking he mentions they have been best friends for a long time....I'm thinking if we got LDU with pick 2 we may reach for Clark at 5. Seems like a Freo-esque curve ball draft.
Not crazy but ???another half back type ??? Has some midfield cred , A bit like a racehorse trainer buying the stablemate just for companionship when he really would prefer the the horse from another stable for the same price
 

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First time poster here I have been reading the forums for a while now and decided to chime in. Ever since I saw the Hunter Clark tomorrow's heroes and they had a snippet of LDU talking he mentions they have been best friends for a long time....I'm thinking if we got LDU with pick 2 we may reach for Clark at 5. Seems like a Freo-esque curve ball draft.
I actually like look the look of Clark, he’s been touted as the best ambidextrous kick in the draft, not sure we’d pass Brayshaw/Cerra/Stephenson at Pick 5 for him though is the thing.
 

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He wants it and in an AFL system he'll have it. Why is that difficult to understand? Your tank will build in an AFL environment, the club will force you to be fitter. D. Pearce struggled early with us fitness wise, now hes fine, were we questioning his commitment then?
Its easier to work with people who have intrinsic motivation. He clearly hasn't gotten off his arse in 3 years when all of our other options have. There are a lot of really good options to choose from, so why make work for ourselves. What I actually do find difficult to understand is why you have come to the conclusion that it has to be him that we take and are looking for every excuse to excuse him.
 
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Are people really writing off Rayner based on a time trial after an injury lay off

It seems we are too focussed on athleticism now days instead of pure football ability, This guy is a burst player, and the bursts can be devastating leading to multiple goals.

I seriously doubt the recruiters would be sweating on that trial before judging a player

Then again I don't lay claim to know what the club recruiters think, so maybe we get UDL at #2 and Rayner slides to #5

Will be gutted to miss out on Fog but I can live with those picks

Dont think too many took up the opportunity to read Twomey's summary re Rayners and Fogarty's 2km time trial results. I posted it here 17 minutes after it was released through the Brisbane Bears AFL site. He is suggesting that it should not affect his draft position as clubs are already satisfied he can improve his endurance.

http://www.lions.com.au/news/2017-11-17/rayner-completes-2km-time-trial-.mobileapp
 

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Its easier to work with people who have intrinsic motivation. He clearly hasn't gotten off his arse in 3 years when all of our other options have. There are a lot of really good options to choose from, so why make work for ourselves. What I actually do find difficult to understand is why you have come to the conclusion that it has to be him that we take and are looking for every excuse to excuse him.
This - and please note I am not arguing that we shouldn't pick him at 2, but that's 3 poor results I am aware of over the space of 2.5 -3 years. It suggests he is many many years away from playing midfield if at all.

Pretty sure I have said it before, but he is more a tall Jeff Farmer than Dustin Martin. Jeff Farmer was a great player and one worthy of a high draft pick, but he wasn't a midfielder for nearly all of his career. You are paying for the potential of a 2-3 goals a game player that can break things open from a pocket or flank, and probably pinch-hit as a "key forward"; not a dynamic centre midfielder that also goes forward.
 

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Its easier to work with people who have intrinsic motivation. He clearly hasn't gotten off his arse in 3 years when all of our other options have. There are a lot of really good options to choose from, so why make work for ourselves. What I actually do find difficult to understand is why you have come to the conclusion that it has to be him that we take and are looking for every excuse to excuse him.
So the highly touted #1 hasn't gotten off his arse in 3 years? Interesting how anyone can possibly come to that conclusion. Did I miss the memo where Rayner has to be a ready to go midfielder by Round One? What I don't get is how people don't recognize talent, but are seduced by athletic abilities. Sheridan has a massive tank, yet is a massive spud. Rayner's fitness base will build (commonsense) and he'll highly likely be a very dangerous player. He will start as a forward with some stints in the midfield, with the plan to eventually play more midfield than forward. Connor Blakeley's fitness base when he was drafted wasn't the best, even now hes game minutes are still behind our midfielders, but it's increasing and you can see he'll be a gun, because there was so much to work with. Any club that drafts him will put a lot of work into his tank and he will put in the hard work (don't call an 18 year old you've never met lazy), if takes a bit longer then so be it, because it's not like he can't dominate up forward.

You shouldn't find it difficult at all, because I'm not saying that, you've completely made that up, what I am doing is defending the player because so many clueless people, many of who probably never seen a gym or gone for a run in their lives, don't understand that you definitely can actually increase your stamina in an elite environment.

Oh and for what it's worth, I think we'll take LDU or Dow with our pick, regardless if Rayner is available and I'm incredibly excited to have either on board, it doesn't have to be Rayner. I'd be thrilled with Rayner, but truth be told, I'm hoping we take LDU instead.

Rayner is built quite well, is Stephenson lazy for being skinny? Food for thought.
 

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So the highly touted #1 hasn't gotten off his arse in 3 years? Interesting how anyone can possibly come to that conclusion. Did I miss the memo where Rayner has to be a ready to go midfielder by Round One? What I don't get is how people don't recognize talent, but are seduced by athletic abilities. Sheridan has a massive tank, yet is a massive spud. Rayner's fitness base will build (commonsense) and he'll highly likely be a very dangerous player. He will start as a forward with some stints in the midfield, with the plan to eventually play more midfield than forward. Connor Blakeley's fitness base when he was drafted wasn't the best, even now hes game minutes are still behind our midfielders, but it's increasing and you can see he'll be a gun, because there was so much to work with. Any club that drafts him will put a lot of work into his tank and he will put in the hard work (don't call an 18 year old you've never met lazy), if takes a bit longer then so be it, because it's not like he can't dominate up forward.

You shouldn't find it difficult at all, because I'm not saying that, you've completely made that up, what I am doing is defending the player because so many clueless people, many of who probably never seen a gym or gone for a run in their lives, don't understand that you definitely can actually increase your stamina in an elite environment.

Oh and for what it's worth, I think we'll take LDU or Dow with our pick, regardless if Rayner is available and I'm incredibly excited to have either on board, it doesn't have to be Rayner. I'd be thrilled with Rayner, but truth be told, I'm hoping we take LDU instead.

Rayner is built quite well, is Stephenson lazy for being skinny? Food for thought.
I think ‘lazy’ is the wrong term. IMO, compared to most other draftees, it would appear Rayner has got by on his pure talent alone whereas someone like a Brayshaw, Dow or Stephenson are so dedicated and focused on maximising their potential by doing the extra running and extra training and watching their diet.

It’s the old saying “hard work beats talent when talent doesn’t work hard.” Rayner looks to be the most gifted footballer of this draft, the question is does his work ethic and attitude change once he’s in an AFL environment or does he just continue to cruise?
 
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