Live Chat 2017 AFL Draft - #2, #5, #42, #60, #66, #70, #77, #80, #90

Which players do we take with #2 & #5?

  • Luke Davies-Uniacke

    Votes: 128 77.6%
  • Cameron Rayner

    Votes: 25 15.2%
  • Darcy Fogarty

    Votes: 42 25.5%
  • Adam Cerra

    Votes: 12 7.3%
  • Jaidyn Stephenson

    Votes: 8 4.8%
  • Paddy Dow

    Votes: 28 17.0%
  • Andrew Brayshaw

    Votes: 56 33.9%
  • Jack Higgins

    Votes: 3 1.8%
  • Sam Hayes

    Votes: 1 0.6%
  • Jarrod Brander

    Votes: 1 0.6%
  • Aaron Naughton

    Votes: 8 4.8%
  • Oscar Allen

    Votes: 4 2.4%
  • Nick Coffield

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Charlie Constable

    Votes: 1 0.6%
  • Hunter Clark

    Votes: 2 1.2%
  • Noah Balta

    Votes: 2 1.2%
  • Aiden Bonar

    Votes: 2 1.2%

  • Total voters
    165
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I think that is the point you shuffle the cards and we come up with two very decent midfielders. I’m glad the talk of the talls (Brander, Naughton, Hayes) at our second pick has finally disappeared.
 

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I’ve read the last couple of pages. So you guys have no rumour of an inside word from your club?

For what it’s worth, the rumour on our board is.

For a long time it was thought to be a 3 horse race until about a month a go, Dow, LDU and Rayner. Then the Brayshaw talk began when Canole dropped his name when interviewed at the draft combine. (Same time last year Canole mentioned the club was confident McCluggage would be available at pick 3).

Shortly after, a poster dropped the following;

Dow is considered a flight risk as he doesn’t want to move interstate.

The club have concerns over LDU’s drive, and does he want “it” enough.

So it’s down to two, Rayner and Brayshaw.

Rayner’s endurance is the concern, and if this might be genetic. (Personally I’m surprised the club hasn’t had a proper VO2 Max test done).

Brayshaw essentially ticks all the boxes. He’s a professional, high character, leader, not considered a go home kid, and good skills across the board.


Just from a Lions fans perspective Brayshaw isn’t a sexy pick. But more than a few of the itk fans have really started “selling” Brayshaw as the pick in the last two days.


Apparently the club is waiting on Brayshaw to finish his last exam on Monday before talking to the kids one last time.
 

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Lions fan, I come in peace.

I’ve read the last couple of pages. So you guys have no rumour of an inside word from your club?

For what it’s worth, the rumour on our board is.

For a long time it was thought to be a 3 horse race until about a month a go, Dow, LDU and Rayner. Then the Brayshaw talk began when Canole dropped his name when interviewed at the draft combine. (Same time last year Canole mentioned the club was confident McCluggage would be available at pick 3).

Shortly after, a poster dropped the following;

Dow is considered a flight risk as he doesn’t want to move interstate.

The club have concerns over LDU’s drive, and does he want “it” enough.

So it’s down to two, Rayner and Brayshaw.

Rayner’s endurance is the concern, and if this might be genetic. (Personally I’m surprised the club hasn’t had a proper VO2 Max test done).

Brayshaw essentially ticks all the boxes. He’s a professional, high character, leader, not considered a go home kid, and good skills across the board.


Just from a Lions fans perspective Brayshaw isn’t a sexy pick. But more than a few of the itk fans have really started “selling” Brayshaw as the pick in the last two days.


Apparently the club is waiting on Brayshaw to finish his last exam on Monday before talking to the kids one last time.
Thanks for summarising and passing on.

It's interesting how Brayshaw has climbed the ranks, much like Taranto did last year late. Us on the freo board thought he would be considered a slight reach @5 (even though most would have been over the moon at him there) but now in the space of a week,we would be lucky to get him @5. It's funny how it all works out.

The next couple of days before the draft will throw up even more speculation and hypotheticals, however what I know is, the freo list management team aren't telling anyone what their thinking.
 

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Thanks for summarising and passing on.

It's interesting how Brayshaw has climbed the ranks, much like Taranto did last year late. Us on the freo board thought he would be considered a slight reach @5 (even though most would have been over the moon at him there) but now in the space of a week,we would be lucky to get him @5. It's funny how it all works out.

The next couple of days before the draft will throw up even more speculation and hypotheticals, however what I know is, the freo list management team aren't telling anyone what their thinking.
Yeah can understand Freo not letting anything leak, as who goes pick 1 and who Freo drafts at pick 2 will have a knock on effect for pick 5.

Surprised there isn't more talk of Cerra at pick 5 here. LDU and Cerra would be a dream draft for a lot of the draft pundits.

Personally I'm an LDU (and Worpel) fan.
 

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Yeah can understand Freo not letting anything leak, as who goes pick 1 and who Freo drafts at pick 2 will have a knock on effect for pick 5.

Surprised there isn't more talk of Cerra at pick 5 here. LDU and Cerra would be a dream draft for a lot of the draft pundits.

Personally I'm an LDU (and Worpel) fan.
Recently some rumours have come out about Cerra and his GF (potential homesickness) which has spooked some I think. He looks classy though.

I was really big on Stephenson early, back when we only had pick 5. Now I'm more towards Rayner and someone like Fogarty/Brayshaw, but in saying that LDU and Fyfe would be immense. I personally find it hard to keep the same two options for longer than a day!

With 2 and 5 it'll take a big mistake to make me unhappy. Either way we go I'll trust the recruiters in their decision.
 

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Surely the club is pretty close to locking down their top 5 (maybe a few last interviews next week - but we don’t usually seem to do that), and just draft whoever is available at 2&5.

They should be spending 90% of their time working out who to take with the other 6 picks.
 

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Lions fan, I come in peace.

I’ve read the last couple of pages. So you guys have no rumour of an inside word from your club?

For what it’s worth, the rumour on our board is.

For a long time it was thought to be a 3 horse race until about a month a go, Dow, LDU and Rayner. Then the Brayshaw talk began when Canole dropped his name when interviewed at the draft combine. (Same time last year Canole mentioned the club was confident McCluggage would be available at pick 3).

Shortly after, a poster dropped the following;

Dow is considered a flight risk as he doesn’t want to move interstate.

The club have concerns over LDU’s drive, and does he want “it” enough.

So it’s down to two, Rayner and Brayshaw.

Rayner’s endurance is the concern, and if this might be genetic. (Personally I’m surprised the club hasn’t had a proper VO2 Max test done).

Brayshaw essentially ticks all the boxes. He’s a professional, high character, leader, not considered a go home kid, and good skills across the board.


Just from a Lions fans perspective Brayshaw isn’t a sexy pick. But more than a few of the itk fans have really started “selling” Brayshaw as the pick in the last two days.


Apparently the club is waiting on Brayshaw to finish his last exam on Monday before talking to the kids one last time.
What I have noticed in recent years is that clubs at the top of the draft have focussed on just getting the player with the highest odds (or the least likely to be a bust) of just making it rather than factoring in the ceiling of the player. Brayshaw has the good athletic results, the pyschological results, and has played consistently good footy when available. For mine though, there are a number of others who have a high probability of being slightly to a lot better. It is a risk mitigation approach rather than trying to maximize the value out of the pick, which as a supporter can be frustrating.

Having said that, Fremantles recruiting at the top end (Hill, Morabito, Logue) has tended to factor in a keen awareness of athletic potential where paired with football ability and less the consistency to date.
 

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Surprised there isn't more talk of Cerra at pick 5 here. LDU and Cerra would be a dream draft for a lot of the draft pundits.
There are plenty of rumours Cerra hasn't interviewed well, especially with the interstate recruiters ;) So possibly attitude issues/FIGJAM? Vic based girlfriend. Injury issues. In TAC Cup only a 50% kicking efficiency (only Stephenson's was worse of the top prospects) and 65.5% handball efficiency (worst) and although better at u18s his disposal numbers dropped by almost 10 kicks per game. He's good at a lot of things but too much risk in all that imo. I'm hoping/expecting we are looking at other options instead.

Pretty much every combination of those top prospects seems a dream draft. UDL & Brayshaw, Rayner & Dow, Dow & Stephenson, UDL & Dow, Rayner & Fogarty, UDL & Fogarty, Rayner & UDL etc - We might all have preferences but I don't think we can go too wrong. The last time we had two top 5 picks was 1999 and we picked Haselby and Pavlich so the expectations are pretty high :)
 

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Lions fan, I come in peace.

I’ve read the last couple of pages. So you guys have no rumour of an inside word from your club?

For what it’s worth, the rumour on our board is.

For a long time it was thought to be a 3 horse race until about a month a go, Dow, LDU and Rayner. Then the Brayshaw talk began when Canole dropped his name when interviewed at the draft combine. (Same time last year Canole mentioned the club was confident McCluggage would be available at pick 3).

Shortly after, a poster dropped the following;

Dow is considered a flight risk as he doesn’t want to move interstate.

The club have concerns over LDU’s drive, and does he want “it” enough.

So it’s down to two, Rayner and Brayshaw.

Rayner’s endurance is the concern, and if this might be genetic. (Personally I’m surprised the club hasn’t had a proper VO2 Max test done).

Brayshaw essentially ticks all the boxes. He’s a professional, high character, leader, not considered a go home kid, and good skills across the board.


Just from a Lions fans perspective Brayshaw isn’t a sexy pick. But more than a few of the itk fans have really started “selling” Brayshaw as the pick in the last two days.


Apparently the club is waiting on Brayshaw to finish his last exam on Monday before talking to the kids one last time.
Has there been any chatter about Stephenson at pick 1? He's a Lions fan, seems like a good kid and imo wouldn't look out of place at pick 1 (think the likes of Whitfield and Scully that have gone before him).
Brayshaw is an interesting one, I didn't rate him top 10 a few weeks ago but he absolutely dominated at the combine. I think Freo (and most clubs) do place a lot of emphasis on combine results. If it wasn't for Griffen Logue getting top marks at the 2016 combine, I don't think he would've been taken so early on his match day performances alone... So yeah, it seems unlikely he'll be taken any later than pick 5 anymore.
 

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There are plenty of rumours Cerra hasn't interviewed well, especially with the interstate recruiters ;) So possibly attitude issues/FIGJAM? Vic based girlfriend. Injury issues. In TAC Cup only a 50% kicking efficiency (only Stephenson's was worse of the top prospects) and 65.5% handball efficiency (worst) and although better at u18s his disposal numbers dropped by almost 10 kicks per game. He's good at a lot of things but too much risk in all that imo. I'm hoping/expecting we are looking at other options instead.

Pretty much every combination of those top prospects seems a dream draft. UDL & Brayshaw, Rayner & Dow, Dow & Stephenson, UDL & Dow, Rayner & Fogarty, UDL & Fogarty, Rayner & UDL etc - We might all have preferences but I don't think we can go too wrong. The last time we had two top 5 picks was 1999 and we picked Haselby and Pavlich so the expectations are pretty high :)
Can't wait for Cerra to drop out of the top 10 on draft night. So overrated.
 

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I think I’d be disappointed if we ended up with a combination of Stephenson, Rayner or Cerra. IMO pick 2 has to be the best pure mid available, whether that be LDU, Dow or Brayshaw and then if one of those is left at 5, grab them, otherwise, I’d be ok taking an ‘X factor’ pick like Rayner, Fogarty or Stephenson. I’d be ecstatic if the following played out:

1. Brayshaw
2. LDU
3. Cerra
4. Stephenson
5. Dow/Rayner
 

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If Freo pick LDU at 2 I then hope our next pick adds some flexibility to the list. A forward or back. So Fogarty would be my pick if available or Naughton.

LDU and Brayshaw won't add much flexibility when you already have Neale, Fyfe, Mundy and Blakely as mids.

Mundy will retire in a few years time so LDU makes sense. Fog could play forward and then give Fyfe some time in the forward line.
 

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Lions draft thread.A Collingwood poster said,100% that the lions will either pick Brayshaw or Rayner.

UDL at pick 2 to us will make my Friday afternoon
I'm not sure why LDU at pick 1 is out of the question. What you see is what you get, I feel like he's a safer bet than Rayner and physically more ready for AFL next year than Brayshaw. Still, if he drops to us at pick 2, I'll be over the moon. I hope he takes Lachie Weller's number 14 (as a constant reminder of Lloyd's masterstroke)
 

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If Freo pick LDU at 2 I then hope our next pick adds some flexibility to the list. A forward or back. So Fogarty would be my pick if available or Naughton.

LDU and Brayshaw won't add much flexibility when you already have Neale, Fyfe, Mundy and Blakely as mids.

Mundy will retire in a few years time so LDU makes sense. Fog could play forward and then give Fyfe some time in the forward line.
I rewatched some Freo games during the week. It's no surprise that our forwardline was the main weakness. Picking 2 'pure midfielders' would be nice, but using a pick on a mid/forward would be ideal. I think we need to get one of Rayner/Stephenson/Fog to add some firepower, and an LDU/Dow/Brayshaw for some more F50 entries
 
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