List Mgmt. 2017 Draft Discussion (cont in Pt 2)

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Spencer White says hello putrid decision,Brodie Murdoch,Eli Templeton, Ben Long jury's out we take too many draft risks, anyway it's just an opinion like yours
every club has howlers heck we made more errors in the past at least now days the guys we are pick show a little of something.... im not alowed to mention the first pick of last year cause it upsets some people
 

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So from 7 drafts you can name 5 players. Colour me shocked.

On average I reckon we would draft 4 senior players and 2 rookies. Over 7 drafts that's 42 players and you've found 5 mistakes.

That's an error rate of 11%. Which given you need to delist a minimum of 3 players every year that's pretty damn good!!!!

Murdoch Saunders were always extremely speculative given they were 3rd round prospects in a compromised draft. Effectively they were more like the 70th best player than the 40th given the players prelisted leading up to it. They were rookie list talent.

Spencer white was a speculative tall. Not all of them work out. You're gonna have busts.

Like I said look at the bust rate at GWS Melbourne gold coast etc. Hell even hawthorn with some of their talls in their premiership build.

Long was a safe pick over some of the other options available like Bolton. So I'm not sure why you think we take too much risk.

Don't take risk then you don't get the reward.
 
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So from 7 drafts you can name 5 players. Colour me shocked.

On average I reckon we would draft 4 senior players and 2 rookies. Over 7 drafts that's 42 players and you've found 5 mistakes.

That's an error rate of 11%. Which given you need to delist a minimum of 3 players every year that's pretty damn good!!!!

Murdoch Saunders were always extremely speculative given they were 3rd round prospects in a compromised draft. Effectively they were more like the 70th best player than the 40th given the players prelisted leading up to it. They were rookie list talent.

Spencer white was a speculative tall. Not all of them work out. You're gonna have busts.

Like I said look at the bust rate at GWS Melbourne gold coast etc. Hell even hawthorn with some of their talls in their premiership build.

Long was a safe pick over some of the other options available like Bolton. So I'm not sure why you think we take too much risk.

Don't take risk then you don't get the reward.
Of cause you can pick and choose on any stat or pick that you like i did, but the reality is i'm over all this hype that the club is beating it's chest at what we are going to do this time of year & mostly deliver donuts.
 

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Of cause you can pick and choose on any stat or pick that you like i did, but the reality is i'm over all this hype that the club is beating it's chest at what we are going to do this time of year & mostly deliver donuts.
Hey I agree with that just think the recruitment team is the wrong tree to bark up given their strike rate

Bigger issue is the coaching
 
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So from 7 drafts you can name 5 players. Colour me shocked.

On average I reckon we would draft 4 senior players and 2 rookies. Over 7 drafts that's 42 players and you've found 5 mistakes.

That's an error rate of 11%. Which given you need to delist a minimum of 3 players every year that's pretty damn good!!!!

Murdoch Saunders were always extremely speculative given they were 3rd round prospects in a compromised draft. Effectively they were more like the 70th best player than the 40th given the players prelisted leading up to it. They were rookie list talent.

Spencer white was a speculative tall. Not all of them work out. You're gonna have busts.

Like I said look at the bust rate at GWS Melbourne gold coast etc. Hell even hawthorn with some of their talls in their premiership build.

Long was a safe pick over some of the other options available like Bolton. So I'm not sure why you think we take too much risk.

Don't take risk then you don't get the reward.
We were pretty Shitty in that draft, but .....

Wright
White.
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(Viney F/S)
James Stewart
Tim O'Brian
Tom Clury
Mason Shaw
Camdyn McIntosh
Michael Close
Liam McBean

Of that lot , i like James Stewart.
Tim Membrey was taken by Sydney somewhere after the Saunders pick.

Yeah we could have got a GOP instead of White. But White might have worked out too.
If we had Tom Clury would he get a game? Who instead of ?
 

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urrrgh its a internet forum not an english lit exam... just read the words it makes sence you dont need punctuation
I don't come to an Internet forum for the literature, or the grammar, or the spelling.
But that five sentence, forty three word monster needed it.
TEW's thoughts are valuable.
He needs to understand that, and understand how better to communicate them.
 

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So from 7 drafts you can name 5 players. Colour me shocked.

On average I reckon we would draft 4 senior players and 2 rookies. Over 7 drafts that's 42 players and you've found 5 mistakes.

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Considering we seem to have found one in our rookie, Jack Sinclair, we need to deduct that off the number of failures don't you think? ;)
 

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Trade up and take Rayner...

We keep saying we need stars, has he got the most elite attributes in the draft?
I know we need stars but history shows most players need about 50 games ( 2 seasons) to become genuine stars anyway. So I would be happier using pick 7&8 which are great picks, in the draft and topping up with a gun free agent or by trading in the next two years .
 
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I agree with you 70s sainter, they need two seasons, unless picked up by St.Kilda, when they could need four seasons. Gresh is the exception in recent years. Look at Acres, four years, not 50 games, Rice, two years. no games. White and Long, two and one, four games. Battle and Marshall, one game. We certainly know how to bring our youngsters on.
 
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I know we need stars but history shows most players need about 50 games ( 2 seasons) to become genuine stars anyway. So I would be happier using pick 7&8 which are great picks, in the draft and topping up with a gun free agent or by trading in the next two years .
Turn up to Fremantle Oval this Friday and you will see in the WAFL U15 and 16's Carnival a player that will have a Nathan Buckley type entry into the AFL. As we won't be getting him anytime soon , I'm with you in taking 7 & 8 to the draft and hoping we jag one. This club is due.
 

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I agree with you 70s sainter, they need two seasons, unless picked up by St.Kilda, when they could need four seasons. Gresh is the exception in recent years. Look at Acres, four years, not 50 games, Rice, two years. no games. White and Long, two and one, four games. Battle and Marshall, one game. We certainly know how to bring our youngsters on.
A lot of players need time to develop , grow and get in good physical condition prior to playing seniors , you do get a few kids who perform from the get go.
Just look at the past players like Dipper - he played 99 2nds games before getting a senior call up and I think Tuck played well over 50 2nds games before he became a regular.
Not everyone is like a Oliver or a Tim Watson.
 

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Adelaide supporters alike are all wondering what Brad Crouch has done to seemingly be so out of favour with the Crows selectors.
It’s nothing to do with his football as he’s carving it up in the SANFL every week.

The fact is Crouch and coach Don Pyke simply don’t get on due to the 22-year-old’s continued partying and failure to fall into line with what Pyke expects of his players.

The Crows are turning into a finely honed unit based on discipline and sacrifice, modeling themselves on Hawthorn, but Crouch just can’t adapt to the team ethos.

Adelaide is already putting the highly talented midfielder’s name out to other clubs interested in a trade, and there’s plenty of interest coming from his home state of Victoria.

Brad Crouch is contracted , however if they win the flag , you never know.
 

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Adelaide supporters alike are all wondering what Brad Crouch has done to seemingly be so out of favour with the Crows selectors.
It’s nothing to do with his football as he’s carving it up in the SANFL every week.

The fact is Crouch and coach Don Pyke simply don’t get on due to the 22-year-old’s continued partying and failure to fall into line with what Pyke expects of his players.

The Crows are turning into a finely honed unit based on discipline and sacrifice, modeling themselves on Hawthorn, but Crouch just can’t adapt to the team ethos.

Adelaide is already putting the highly talented midfielder’s name out to other clubs interested in a trade, and there’s plenty of interest coming from his home state of Victoria.

Brad Crouch is contracted , however if they win the flag , you never know.
Ironically, there were also question marks over their midfield. Just goes to show how things can turn.
 

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Adelaide supporters alike are all wondering what Brad Crouch has done to seemingly be so out of favour with the Crows selectors.
It’s nothing to do with his football as he’s carving it up in the SANFL every week.

The fact is Crouch and coach Don Pyke simply don’t get on due to the 22-year-old’s continued partying and failure to fall into line with what Pyke expects of his players.

The Crows are turning into a finely honed unit based on discipline and sacrifice, modeling themselves on Hawthorn, but Crouch just can’t adapt to the team ethos.

Adelaide is already putting the highly talented midfielder’s name out to other clubs interested in a trade, and there’s plenty of interest coming from his home state of Victoria.

Brad Crouch is contracted , however if they win the flag , you never know.
Last year maybe, this year no chance. Cemented his spot, absolutely killing it and playing with his bro.
 
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