Opinion 2017 Draft Discussion - Pick 3 - Poll added

Discussion in 'Carlton' started by HARKER, May 22, 2017.

Put it out there
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Who we are likely to take at Pick 3 .......

  1. Luke Davies-Uniacke

    21.4%
  2. Cameron Rayner

    44.0%
  3. Adam Cerra

    5.2%
  4. Paddy Dow

    11.9%
  5. Charlie Constable

    2.1%
  6. Darcy Fogarty

    7.3%
  7. Andrew Brayshaw

    2.4%
  8. Jaidyn Stephenson

    3.4%
  9. Jack Higgins

    0.6%
  10. Nicholas Coffield

    0.3%
  11. Other

    1.2%
  1. RiteBak@Ya

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    that's fine, you will probably changed it again prior to the draft.
     

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  2. ray8182

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    You raise some interesting points.

    The first is how LDU, Rayner, Dow and Cerra seem to have separated themselves from the rest. That is the feeling, that they are the most proven midfielders. Trading outside the top 4 is interesting and would indicate the club does not think this is the case.

    I disagree about Fogarty having done nothing. He’s been injured and played injured in his final year and as a result we don’t have as much information about him relative to other players. Clubs have been following players for a number of years and have a much broader understanding of each player over multiple years than we do when looking at final year. Clubs are also well aware of top juniors getting injured in final year and sliding in the draft. The most well known would be Selwood.

    Fogarty looks like one of the real impact players in the draft who can not only win the ball in the air and on the ground but has quality disposal. The hardest thing for me is knowing what position he will end up in. I agree we have plenty 3rd tall type players and we are desperate for midfielders. Plowman and Marchbank can play intercepting defender role. Silvagni can play third tall up forward. Maybe Fogarty will be more than just a marking 3rd tall. Maybe he ends up being hybrid forward/midfielder.

    In the era of the hybrid forward maybe curnow and Fogarty would be main forward targets. Maybe they would alternate between forward and midfield. I’m not keen on having 2 big key forwards these days, instead preferring 1 with a more mobile forward line.

    A comparative player from recent draft is Essendons Francis. Quality 3rd tall marking player in draft year. The difference between Francis and Fogarty for me is Fogartys work in the contest. Better contested player.

    Does Fogarty become a match winner up forward and in the midfield or does he become a run of the mill 3rd tall? Would need to know his game really well to make this call.


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  3. HARKER

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    Interesting also in that 3 of those 4 guys are effectively bottom-agers, all with October birthdays.
     
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    Just stumbled upon a BF thread “40 prospects to watch for 2017” there were some good bios there and guess what else, all the talk of it being a super draft just like 2018 is now.

    Does anyone know how Jordan Houlahan went this year? His write up in the above thread was good and he was top 2 in both kicking tests at this years combine.
     
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    Went rather well in both vertical jumps too also.

     
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    Does Richmonds premiership win increase the value of players with great running capacity like Brayshaw and Moore?

    Richmond's premiership win was pretty amazing considering they had a whole host of players who we would think are very average. Because of this l consider it one of the better premiership wins in terms of a club getting the best out of itself.

    Whilst many of the Richmond players are ordinary with ball in hand they are elite without the ball. They do there best work without the ball. The number of times Richmond just hacked the ball forward with no skill and then just out competed and pressured the opposition into submission was incredible. I kept thinking they would fade in the second half of games because they wouldn't be able to keep it up. But instead they just ran over every team. Nobody could deal with the constant pressure all game which was in part due to the above average running capacity of many of there players.

    Now this brings me back to Moore and Brayshaw. The value on players with greater running capacity and theoretically the ability to apply more pressure for longer may increase. Does Carlton prioritise these sorts who not only look like good footballers but also have elite endurance?




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    From the photo in the Age this morning it looks like Stephenson has cut his hair short. Much happier with him at 3 now. Didn't want him with the dreadful pony tail
     
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    He's been playing with that cut for some time now.
    It's the Geelong boys you should worry about. :)
     
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    I agree i would have 2 of Higgins, Fogarty, Brayshaw, Coffield or Constable over just Dow or Cerra everyday
     
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    Maybe we would, but why would The Saints want to do that deal?
    They need coverage as much as we do and maybe even more so.

    If SOS can snag what he sees as being the best player in the draft, he should simply do so.
     
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  12. reubsblues

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    I got out of the sos interview that we possibly would be looking at pick swaps so you never know
     
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    Having watched Fogarty live once and 2 games in the champs I fail to see any compelling reason why he will be an AFL footballer. If we were to trade for the Saints picks he would be very much down the list of player I would hope to draft.
     
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    Talking hypothetically of course. Would love Brayshaw to be around that range, but I reckon he'll end up going in the Top 7. I can't see too many weaknesses with him. Maybe pace? But he still gets around the ground pretty well. He seems to assess very, very quickly, and he's generally in the right spot anyway. His disposal looks better than Dow's, but Dow goes for riskier kicks.

    Very happy to have an early pick as at gives as a heap of options, and we don't need to have contingencies - just know exactly what we're looking for at that pick and nail it.
     
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    Where's the sos interview
     
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    Hey does anyone have a link to a replay of the U18 AllStar game of Grand Final Day...missed it on the day :(
     
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    Can you find a better comparison than Jenkins ...
     
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    I hope we swap 3 for 7&8 and land two good kids. Build from bottom up.
     
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    Why does everyone kept talking about this pick swap with saints ?


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    ****** if I know why the Saints would give up 7/8 for pick 3 in an even field.
     
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    Does getting Kennedy put a line through LDU?