List Mgmt. 2017 Draft Needs...

[Corey_OTLS]

Some notes from the Bushrangers/Pioneers game -



http://overthelinesports.com.au/?p=30008

 

[Jeffcrowe]

http://footyprophet.com/big-draft-board/

Footy Prophet's early top 20..

Saw Powell again on weekend

Very clean but lacks spread and is small , reckon he's a top 30 but not first round

 

[dogs105]

I think you mean Jack?

Few people getting a bit carried away with Sam PP but I will admit right now I'd have taken him before the Gucc.....

Powell looks small compared to Tyson Lever in this pic, I'm over picking small mids with 1st picks, give me a bid assed mid any day...

Are the Fogartys related?

 

[dogs105]

Don't know but unlikely probably given Lachlan plays for the Western Jets in the TAC Comp.

Thanks Bicks

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

How many on those top 20 lists are South Australian? Darcy Fogarty and Callum Coleman-Jones... others?

 

[Corey_OTLS]

How many on those top 20 lists are South Australian? Darcy Fogarty and Callum Coleman-Jones... others?

3 - Fogarty, CCJ and McPherson

 

[Danger in Texas]

Love McPherson's dash and kick.

There's another draft board which has Garner at mid teens, at this stage I feel like he could end up a star with the skill set he has

 

[Jeffcrowe]

I think you mean Jack?

Few people getting a bit carried away with Sam PP but I will admit right now I'd have taken him before the Gucc.....

Powell looks small compared to Tyson Lever in this pic, I'm over picking small mids with 1st picks, give me a big assed mid any day...

Yeah 'saw' Powell not sam

Need to be quicker at that size to be top 15

But yeah nominated SPP and Hayward for our pick last year and without doing a Marty happy to stick with that

Now ... little Spargo is one small I'd draft any day of the week

Overall the NSW talent not at same level as last few years but admittedly Brander was playing cricket

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Are the Fogartys related?

Don't think so

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Love McPherson's dash and kick.

There's another draft board which has Garner at mid teens, at this stage I feel like he could end up a star with the skill set he has

I want Rayner at this stage but fear he will be top 10 or top 5 even

Looking forward to seeing McPherson and houlihan from SA

 

[Danger in Texas]

I want Rayner at this stage but fear he will be top 10 or top 5 even

Looking forward to seeing McPherson and houlihan from SA

I would love any of Rayner, Worpel, Clark, LOB or Fogarty at this stage, but they aren't going to be there at our pick if they keep going the way they are. IMO Garner seems a realistic target.

Houlahan doesn't excite me as much as McP, seriously great mark though

 

[Danger in Texas]

Overall the NSW talent not at same level as last few years but admittedly Brander was playing cricket

Loving the fact that Brander's in the open draft, with a greater focus on footy he could be anything

 

[Danger in Texas]

Luke Davies-Uniacke - 30 Disposals, 9 Clearances, 9 i50's, 3 r50's, 4 Tackles, 6 Marks on the weekend for the Singers..

Forgot about LDU, he'll be gone by our pick too. Great skills for a big bodied mid

 

[Squiba]

I think alot of the draft watchers didnt and dont agree with the Gallucci pick tbh, just dont find it neccessary to go full Marty. Who knows, he could develop.

 

[Squiba]

Always comforting when those that project as inside mids can find a lot of the pill. Often it develops over time, but if it is already there it is comforting

 

[Jeffcrowe]

I think alot of the draft watchers didnt and dont agree with the Gallucci pick tbh, just dont find it neccessary to go full Marty. Who knows, he could develop.

I think he'll develop , won't be a bust and has some exciting athletic traits

Just needs time to work on his football skill set but he will get there , a role player rather than a star

 

[Danger in Texas]

I think he'll develop , won't be a bust and has some exciting athletic traits

Just needs time to work on his football skill set but he will get there , a role player rather than a star

Role player sounds a bit harsh, IMO he ends up somewhere in the 'good'-'very good' range

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Role player sounds a bit harsh, IMO he ends up somewhere in the 'good'-'very good' range

Haha fair enough - a v good role player

A more talented version of Riley Knight but only if his mental capacity is close to as good , I think he's a solid character and will get there in the end

 

[Corey_OTLS]

I just don't see him as a mid personally, wing/half back/half forward maybe. Of those I favour half back with his express pace and hopefully he develops run and carry.

Agree with half back. Considering his leap he could be a more than handy HBF providing intercept marking and ball use on both sides of his body.

 

[JAMES_B_101]

I am quite interested in following Crowden's progress, is Dion Prestia a bad comparison?? I think Crowden is a bit stronger through the hips. Has potential to be a really handy late first rounder.

 

[Corey_OTLS]

At his size he'll need to have an absolutely amazing 2017 to be in contention for the 1st round, so many "big" mids that look outstanding prospects in this draft and more than the usual number of outstanding tall prospects also.

Crowden looks to be a very late national/rookie selection at this time. He is one I am watching closely through the season though.

 

[GrommoT]

Teams announced for the NAB AFL Academy's 20th anniversary celebration match ... Surprisingly Jackson Edwards didn't get a guernsey by the looks? ...

Or maybe not? If AFC are pretty much set on drafting him as F-S, he's probably encouraged not to get involved with these things too much - try and keep his draft value down.

Spoiler

2018 DRAFT

Reviews

Spoiler: by huludicidal

My thoughts on Adelaide’s draft as a whole...

Pick 8 (Ended up as Pick 9 due to us bidding on T Thomas): it was a genuine surprise to me that we bid on Thomas here. North were probably always going to match of course, but I don’t think they could quite believe that a bid was coming in for Thomas before Blakey. Hamish is certainly hot on Tasmanians!

Equally surprising was that we then didn’t follow up the Thomas bid with a bid on Blakey. Honestly found that pretty bizarre. There was a 100% chance that Sydney were going to match it. At pick 9, they were already flopping it out that he’d lasted that long. Very strange stuff, but perhaps there are secret promises between clubs that take place for reasons not known to us that would explain scenarios like this.

This brings us to our actual selection of Chayce Jones. I strongly suspect that Hamish and co would have been pretty sure that the top 7 was going to go as it did (maybe not in that order, and maybe with a bid on Blakey thrown in, but those 7 players looked the most likely 7), and as a result, it appears as though we had perhaps been agonising over Jones vs Caldwell for the previous week or two. We certainly interviewed Caldwell multiple times according to numerous sources.

One thing that is clear in our drafting is that if it’s a line ball decision like that, we tend to try to go for the intelligent, high-character types “from a good family”. Jones certainly appears to fit that bill. Not a sexy pick by any means, but the comments by Hamish in the lead-up to the draft about “wanting to find another Rory Sloane” may well have been a direct reference to Jones I suspect. Looks like a “can’t-miss” prospect to me. My only concern is that it is unclear whether or not there is “superstar” potential here (I think Caldwell has this), but I’m willing to back Hamish in. Maybe the Caldwell hamstring issues were a factor. Maybe there were “go-home” fears surrounding Caldwell. All in all, I’m happy with the pick and certainly would not have been tempted to go with anyone other than Caldwell or Jones here, all things considered.


Pick 13 (ended up as Pick 16): That brings us to our next pick. Now, I could be wrong, but something tells me we were banking on ONE of Hately, Butters or Clark slipping through here. I believe all 3 would have been higher on our board than McHenry. I also feel that we may have been genuinely surprised / disappointed that none of those 3 snuck through, especially considering the strong links in the lead-up to the draft to one of Geelong or GWS pulling the trigger on Riley Collier-Dawkins with Picks in this range.

The way it panned out, Port took Butters (somewhat surprising that they passed on Clark), GWS took Hately (RCD seemed equally or perhaps a touch more likely), and the Cats took Clark (RCD seemed equally or slightly more likely), which clearly left us with McHenry at the top of our board.

For me, I’d love to know why RCD wasn’t selected by us here. A 193ish cm midfielder, with speed, courage and the ability to play on the inside and outside just seemed like a dream come true to me here. Has been described as a cross between P Cripps and Bont - history will decide if those comparisons are fanciful, but he’s certainly a unique prospect, and one that I was excited about. Perhaps there were “go-home” fears here? Not sure. I was pretty surprised that he was still there, and then more surprised when we didn’t take him though.

Of the remaining guys on the board not named RCD, I am fine with McHenry. I think he definitely would’ve gotten through to our next pick, but we probably already knew we were trading it by then. The big question for me is, would he also have gotten through to pick 21 (which ended up becoming Pick 24)? If the answer is yes, I’m not overly enthused with the decision to take him as the 13th best non-academy / father/son player in this draft (16th overall). He’s certainly always going to give his all, and he’ll be an elite pressure small in the AFL. But at 178cm, and with 20m sprint times that are disturbingly slow for someone of his height, I’m not sure I love spending a pick this high on him, especially when Collier-Dawkins was staring us in the face.

If Collier-Dawkins was off our list due to flight-risk concerns (or for some other reason), I probably personally would have preferred one of Sam Sturt or Xavier Duursma to McHenry. I certainly don’t hate the pick, but I just would have thought that all 3 of the guys I’ve mentioned as alternatives may be more valuable players in 3-5 years time than McHenry, that’s all.


Pick 16 (ended up as Pick 19): The pick swap with Carlton that then took place makes me even more certain that Collier-Dawkins had possibly been struck off our draft list for some reason. Seems obvious that we were just never calling out his name, as you’d think this pick swap doesn’t take place if we had any interest in RCD, who was still on the board here.

As for the swap itself, it’s certainly ballsy. Who knows, maybe if one of Butters, Clark or Hately slipped through to our 2nd Pick, and then McHenry was still there at 19, this swap possibly never happens? Swings and roundabouts.

I like the swap, and I like the extra spice it will add to both ours and Carlton’s finishing positions in 2019. If we make the top 6 and they finish bottom 4, it’s a win IMO. Top 4 and bottom 2 is the dream, but probably unlikely.


Pick 21 (Ended up as Pick 24, which we traded down to pick 28, which then became Pick 29 due to a bid on R West, which then became Pick 30 once we bid on W Kelly): Then we had the 2nd Pick on Day 2, and traded down a few spots, picking up Carlton’s 2019 2nd rounder vis GWS in the process. GWS clearly couldn’t believe their eyes when Ian Hill was available, and were happy to pay what most on the surface would consider “overs” to select a guy they probably rated in the mid-teens (he certainly fills a need for them too).

I listen to interviews very carefully and have a degree in Behavioural Science, and I can assure you that we were NOT going to draft Will Hamill at Pick 24, had we not traded down to 28. Hamish glossed over this and said we were “considering” Hamill at 24. He did NOT say we were taking him at 24, and he HAS said similar things in the past as he’s a very straight shooter. While I don’t doubt that Hamill was in the frame here, I’d bet my left nut that one, or maybe even 2 guys we had slightly above Hamill were taken between 24-27 (Ian Hill would not have been one of them). The question is “who would we have taken?”

The answer, in my opinion, is Tom Sparrow. I don’t have much to base this claim on other than “considering we were willing to trade the pick down 4 spots, it is logical that there would have been a few guys that we rated pretty equally here, in which case we would take the local lad”, but I can say with almost 100% certainty that it wouldn’t have been Hamill if we stayed at 24. It will be very interesting to see how these players develop.

Regardless of the above, I actually love the Hamill Pick. Speed, courage, a reliable left boot, a real sense of tenacity and a thirst for the contest are what I see in Hamill’s highlights. Getting a Pick in the 20-30 range next year along with Hamill here was a big win. It must have been tempting to go with Bailey Williams or Curtis Taylor here (it is well known that we interviewed both of them on numerous occasions), but I’m happy with what we did.


Everything after this, including the rookie draft, is probably pointless to even comment on. Sholl looks an honest trier without star potential. Butts could be a handy addition, especially considering our virtually unparalleled record of developing key defenders. Hunter made strides last year so it made sense to bring him back. It also made sense to take another ruckman (Strachan), because Jenkins isn’t a ruckman, Jacobs is nearly finished, and O’Brien has proven to be pretty injury-prone.


All in all, it felt to me like a solid draft. Our live trades were probably the highlight for me, in addition to the selection of Hamill. The selection of 178cm McHenry who has not played much in the midfield and doesn’t have impressive 20m sprint numbers, as the 13th best non-academy player in the draft is the biggest question mark for me - having said that, I would have been PUMPED to get him with Pick 21, so it’s not like I see it as a terrible selection - just a reach considering RCD, Sturt and Duursma were all there. Jones will forever be compared to Caldwell. Ours and Carlton’s finishing positions in 2019 will be a massive talking point.

Grade: B

The SA Candidates

For once Crows have some good picks (currently) in the 2018 draft in which there are some SA potential draftees looking like they going to be high level draft picks.

It will be interesting to keep track of who they are, as well as who the other potential high level draft picks are (and how many there are of them) as that is likely to affect Crows' chances at nabbing the high level SA draftees.

It's probably going to be tough for Crows to get Luk/Rank but if there are quite a few non-SA players rated above or around players Rozee, Hately, etc, that might give Crows a better chance at drafting them (compared to if the draft is of low depth).





So it will be good for us if 2018 does turn out to be the "Super Draft" like it is looking where the number of high quality players in very high.

The following lists players into groups according to where resident draft watchers and popular draft watchers in media think players are shaping up.

Also have links further below to other threads on BF discussing the 2018 draft potentials (and dammitt!!! they all seem very interested in the SA boys next year )


The numbers within square brackets are links to relevant posts/articles listed inside the spoiler tag below - references with asterisk (eg. [1*]) are mainstream published articles:

Spoiler: ..... References [1], [2], ...

[1*] Cal Twomey Top 2018 draft prospects
[2] Bicks
[3] Jeffcrowe
[4] Danger In Texas
[5] Bicks
[6] Bicks
[7*] Knightmares top 20 prospects so far for 2018
[7b] Cleric's copy - Knightmares top 20 prospects so far for 2018
[8] azza77
[9] D_P_S - seems like a respected draft watcher from Essendon board
[10] Unique Name
[11] Chrispiesssss
[12*] 2018 AFL DRAFT: THE WEST AUSTRALIANS (footyprophet.com)
[13*] Luke Valente – AFL Draft Central
[14] St BKD
[15] Knightmare's 2017 Draft Almanac (#2790)
[16] Bishop
[17] Which Academy prospects are training at your club?
[18] Bicks
[19] Knightmare, Key talls dominate April's AFL draft power rankings
[20] Bicks ... AFL capable from the get go
[21] Knightmare
[22] ad victoriam
[23] Danger in Texas
[24] Bicks
[25] Knightmare
[26] Knightmare - Potential No. 1 shines but star forward cut down
[27] Knightmare
[28] Bicks
[29] Knightmare
[30] Grundog49
[31] Draft Central Power Rankings: May 2018 - Matt Balmer
[32] AFL Draft Wrap: Is Jack Lukosius the best draft prospect this decade? (Knightmare)
[33] Bicks, Danger in Texas
[34] June AFL Draft Power Rankings: Jack Lukosius reigns supreme as new faces emerge (Knightmare)
[35] Knightmare
[36] AFL Draft Power Rankings: Changes aplenty after U18 Championships (Knightmare)
[37] Bicks
[38] AFL 2018 draft board power rankings: Top 20 prospects after 2018 Under 18 national carnival
[39] Knightmare

Round 1 - Early (1-6)
Jack Lukosius (KPF, SA) __ [1*] [7*] [9] [16] [19]
Max King (KPF/KPD, Vic.M) __ [1*] [7*] [9] [19] [25] [31]
Izak Rankine (Mid, SA) __ [1*] [7*] [9] [19]
Sam Walsh (Mid, Vic.C) __ [2] [3] [7*] [9] [14] [19] [24] [26] [29]
Jack Bytel (Def, Vic.M) __ [2] [19] [24]
Ben King (KPF/KPD, Vic.M) __ [1*] [7*] [9] [19]

Round 1 - Middle (7-12)
[Crows with Melb r1 pick might be in play here]
Nick Blakey (Mid/Fwd, 3 Academy/F-S) __ [1*] [9] [15] [19][39]
Bailey Smith (Mid, Vic.M) __ [9] [19] [21]
Riley Collier-Dawkins(Mid, Vic.M) __ [19] [27] 35]
Jackson Hately (Mid, SA) __ [5] [7*] [9] [19] [22] [23] [35]
Bailey Williams (Ruck, Vic.C) __ [7*] [9] [19]
Curtis Taylor (Mid/Fwd, Vic.M) __ [7*] [9] [19]
Jye Caldwell (Mid, Vic.C) __ [2] [4] [9] [19]
Ian Hill (HF/Mid, WA) __ [1*] [7*] [9] [12*] [19]

Round 1 - Late (13-18)
[Crows with AFC r1 pick should be in play here]
Conner Rozee (Fwd/Mid, SA) __ [5] [7*] [9] [19]
Tarryn Thomas (Mid, North N.G.A.) __ [1*] [7*] [9] [15] [19]
Chayce Jones (Mid/Fwd, Tas) __ [17] [33]
Tom Joyce (Mid, WA) __ [7*] [12*] [19]
Tom Berry (Mid, Vic.C) __ [2] [19]
Isaac Quaynor (HB, Vic.M) (Collingwood N.G.A.) __ [1*] [11] [9]
Matthew Green (Mid, NT) __ [9]
Zane Barzen (HF, Vic.C) __ [7*] [9]
Dillon O'Reilly (KPF, WA) __ [7*] [12*]
Bailey Scott (Util/Fwd, 3 F-S/Academy) __ [7*]
Rhylee West (Mid, WB F-S) __ [7*]
Jason Carter (Mid, WA) __ [10] [17]
Xavier Dursma (Mid/HF, Vic.C) __ [9]
Mitch Riordan (Mid, Vic.C) __ [9]
Liam Stocker (Mid, Vic.M) __ [9][37][38]

Top 25 (19-25)
[Crows with Carl r2 pick might be in play here]
Tom Lewis (Mid, SA) __ [9] [5] [20 - AFL capable from the get go] [28] [30]
Tom Sparrow (Mid, SA) __ [32] [34]
Ed McHenry (Mid, Vic.C) __ [9] [17]
Lochie Dawson (Mid, Vic.C) __ [18]
Sydney Stack (HF, WA) __ [9] [12*]
Buku Khamis (KPD/Fwd, Vic.M) __ [9]

Top 40 (26-40)
[Crows with Carl r3 pick might be in play here]
Luke Valente (Fwd/Mid, SA) __ [5] [13*]
Jai Nanscawen (Fwd, Vic.C) __ [9]
Tom McKenzie (Def/Mid, Vic.M) __ [9]
Ben Cardamone (Mid, Vic.M) __ [9]
Xavier O'Niell (Mid, Vic.M) __ [9]

Watch
Hugo Munn (KPF, SA) __ [5] [30]
Ruben Flinn (Ruck, SA) __ [6]

Also in AFL Academy
Matt Walker (NSW) __ [17]
Hudson Garoni (Mid, Vic.C) __ [17]
Riley Bowman (Ruck/Fwd, Vic.C) __ [17]
Sam Fletcher (Vic.C) __ [17]

Crows' 2018 Draft Picks
In 2017 trades regarding 2018 draft picks, Crows:
. Gained Melb's r1, r4 and Carl's r2, r3
. Lost AFC's r3 (to Mel), r4 (to GC) and r2 (to Carl)
so currently have 2018 picks AFC r1, Melb r1, Carl r2, Carl r3, Melb r4, AFC r5 and later.

Spoiler: ..... AFL Trade Tracker

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Media Articles
Draft Central Power Rankings: May 2018 - Matt Balmer
Top 2018 draft prospects - Cal Twomey, November 25, 2017


Other BF 2018 Draft Threads
South Australian Draft Prospects 2018 [unread]
Knightmare's 2018 AFL Draft Almanac [unread]
Knightmare's 2017 Draft Almanac (post #2760) [unread]
D_P_S Draft Rankings 2017 and 2018 - Phantom Draft Page 43 [unread]
Slice of Pie: Draft Board and Profiles [unread]
Coll: 2018 "Super Draft" thread. [unread]
Ess: Draft Watch - On to 2018! [unread]
Freo: 2018 draft/Young Talent time [unread]
Melb: Road to the 2018 Draft [unread]
North: 2018 AFL National Draft - Tankin' for Rankine [unread]
Saints: 2018 Draft Watch [unread]
WB: 2018 Draft Prospects aka the West and Khamis thread [unread]

grundog49's writeup - 40 Prospects to Watch in 2018 [unread]


2018 Draft Depth

The top 10 is special this year. There are a few other curious dynamics with what looks likely to be a combined record between father-son and all the academy prospects to be taken. Otherwise after that top 10, this draft becomes roughly a normal quality draft. [Knightmare]

I think the depth in this draft is no better nor worse than most other years. In 2016, the depth was phenomenal with players from 30-rookie not far apart which resulted in something like 180 players getting combine invites (was hard to split them and you needed at least two to get to a combine - last year just the one was fine).
I think the words 'Super Draft' have been used because of the form of so many of the bottom-agers last season and the top-end talent in this draft. Lukosius, the Kings, Walsh, Rankine, Hill all had super Champs/regular seasons and built it up a fair bit. I then think that everyone started canning the draft crop because of the fact that they realised the depth after 30 was not as super as the top-end talent. So I guess the top-end talent of the first say 5-10 picks is so good that it caused an unreasonable amount of hype around the rest of the draft, when it was neither good, nor bad, in my opinion. I think the depth is not as good as 2016, but better than last year. But it's so far from the draft, if your pick 20s to 50s suddenly stand out over the course of the season/rapidly improve, then the depth changes. I think saying yes/no as a full answer by anyone is fraught with danger anytime before October. [Pie 4 Life]

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[ad victoriam]

A little known SA name Ruben Flinn a giant Ruckman who showed glimpses of real ability last season is one to keep an eye on with a view to the 2018 draft, reckon it's time we took on a development young Ruck.

Was just going ask about ruck Prospects in this year Draft.

 

[Danger in Texas]

Teams named for the two trial games for Vic Metro and Vic Country Selection for this year's U18 Championships to be played at Carlton's home ground Ikon Park tomorrow.

They basically look like reserves teams. Petruccelle and Cerra would be good to watch, though

 

[Danger in Texas]

Game 1 Squad looks better?

Better, but still not great.

Are some of the higher rated Vic prospects playing other games this weekend?