List Mgmt. 2017 Draft Needs...

[Danger in Texas]

Like I said we went gooch over Hayward who played 20 games and a rising star nom

We chose Doedee over Burton runner up in the rising star

We chose pohlkoke instead of graham who stood Sloane in the GF and played well and kicked 3 goals

I'm not concerned about SPP as it's about trying to get SA talent that's any good and we have failed miserably the last two years in identifying it, there seems a pattern forming


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Hayward and Graham would NOT have played for us this year. Likewise, Gallucci and Poholke would definitely have played for the Swans and Tigers, respectively

It’s not the draftee’s or the recruiting team’s fault, it’s the selectors you should be bagging. But I’m not going to, I’m going to back them in to put a good team, with a nice balance of young and old on the park every week.

 

[BunjiMac]

Like I said we went gooch over Hayward who played 20 games and a rising star nom

We chose Doedee over Burton runner up in the rising star

We chose pohlkoke instead of graham who stood Sloane in the GF and played well and kicked 3 goals

I'm not concerned about SPP as it's about trying to get SA talent that's any good and we have failed miserably the last two years in identifying it, there seems a pattern forming


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At this stage, I'd say that says more about the coaching staff than the players.

Think the jury is out still on all those players.

 

[marty36]

I'm not saying anything other than your comments on Venables aren't valid re your " error" statement because obviously unlike you I have seen Venables play 5 or 6 times and the kid has a heap of talent and has had to cope with several quite serious injuries........How many games did Burton play in his first year?? If it's fair to judge Burton's lack of impact in his first year then the same should apply to Venables who went into his first AFL season starting from a long way back injury and fitness wise.

The discussion was over SPP over venables one main reason, no go home factor also SPP is a freak

Like us picking Doedee over Burton West coast should have gone the home grown talent for obvious reasons

Do you think each year like it showed in the trade period more and more players are playing the go home card, player movement is so much less likely if you are already in your home state and it will only get worse for the main reason clubs from the players home state are targeting these players like Gibbs Weller lever CC


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[Mismatched]

Gold Coast, GWS and Brisbane are really the only teams who "Get a player for two years he does bugger all but trade him out rinse and repeat"

I agree if its a close call you go for local.

Who is SPP?

It’s a really hard call and a difficult balance. Personally I think we as a club, perhaps need to adjust the weighting we put towards local talent a little more in favour of the local player, especially with later picks, as well as get a little more creative at the trade table to try and get the picks that allow us access to the best SA talent.

As much as SA’s best talent has been pretty average over the years, I wonder how much of that is to do with the players themselves, or the fact that many have ended up stuck at the likes of Gold Coast(Day, Tape, Gorringe), Brisbane(Aish, Polec, Redden, Mayes), Carlton(Menzel), Melbourne(Trengove, Toumpas, Tapscott)... A lot of first rounders there, stuck at clubs notorious for poor development, with poor culture and perennially cellar dwellers. Maybe if some of these guys had ended up at clubs with well regarded development programs, things might have been a little different.

One of my key issues with having so few South Aussies is it makes us vulnerable every year to raids and continually end up having to pay a premium to keep our interstate talent. Local talent is far less likely to be poached and less likely to eat up the salary cap, meaning we can occasionall afford to splash out to keep an interstater or go on raids ourselves.

 

[johnnypanther]

The lad wants to be a Pie, good luck with that Jarrod, wants to go to a club where he'll get the opportunity to play senior footy in 2018, how about you earn your stripes first son. Horse - Cart.

Well, I hope he gets there ... and fails

 

[Eagle Wrath]

It’s a really hard call and a difficult balance. Personally I think we as a club, perhaps need to adjust the weighting we put towards local talent a little more in favour of the local player, especially with later picks, as well as get a little more creative at the trade table to try and get the picks that allow us access to the best SA talent.

As much as SA’s best talent has been pretty average over the years, I wonder how much of that is to do with the players themselves, or the fact that many have ended up stuck at the likes of Gold Coast(Day, Tape, Gorringe), Brisbane(Aish, Polec, Redden, Mayes), Carlton(Menzel), Melbourne(Trengove, Toumpas, Tapscott)... A lot of first rounders there, stuck at clubs notorious for poor development, with poor culture and perennially cellar dwellers. Maybe if some of these guys had ended up at clubs with well regarded development programs, things might have been a little different.

One of my key issues with having so few South Aussies is it makes us vulnerable every year to raids and continually end up having to pay a premium to keep our interstate talent. Local talent is far less likely to be poached and less likely to eat up the salary cap, meaning we can occasionall afford to splash out to keep an interstater or go on raids ourselves.

I don't think there is any worry about that comment in bold.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-10-28/vic-prospect-wooller-grilled-by-crows-over-loyalty

 

[Mego Red]

The discussion was over SPP over venables one main reason, no go home factor also SPP is a freak

Like us picking Doedee over Burton West coast should have gone the home grown talent for obvious reasons

Do you think each year like it showed in the trade period more and more players are playing the go home card, player movement is so much less likely if you are already in your home state and it will only get worse for the main reason clubs from the players home state are targeting these players like Gibbs Weller lever CC


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SPP is shit. Venables was the right decision.

Doedee will be great next year. Burton would be good in the same role, if he was here. He would have barely played before now if he was in our side.

 

[Glenny83]

The discussion was over SPP over venables one main reason, no go home factor also SPP is a freak

Like us picking Doedee over Burton West coast should have gone the home grown talent for obvious reasons

Do you think each year like it showed in the trade period more and more players are playing the go home card, player movement is so much less likely if you are already in your home state and it will only get worse for the main reason clubs from the players home state are targeting these players like Gibbs Weller lever CC


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There are some instances and I'm not saying it's the case with SPP, where it's better for a player to be interstate in order to be a better player. Jarrod Redden went to West Coast as he thought his mates in SA might inadvertently have a negative effect on his professionalism. Rory Atkins has publicly stated something similar. Having said that, maybe SPP is flourishing because of the move, who knows. Venables did sign a one year extension last year too.


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[Eagle Wrath]

There are some instances and I'm not saying it's the case with SPP, where it's better for a player to be interstate in order to be a better player. Jarrod Redden went to West Coast as he thought his mates in SA might inadvertently have a negative effect on his professionalism. Rory Atkins has publicly stated something similar. Having said that, maybe SPP is flourishing because of the move, who knows. Venables did sign a one year extension last year too.


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I don't want to keep the Venables conversation going on your Adelaide thread, so this is the last thing I will say. There is very little go home factor with Venables at this stage, because his childhood idol is Luke Shuey. And the eagles were smart, in that they moved Venables into Luke Shuey's house when he first came over here.

So even though he is Victorian, he is a fairly safe bet to stay over west for a fair while.

Wasn't the Lever decision based on money and the fact Adelaide offered him a low ball deal early in the year? Not always a go home reason.
Sounds like my eagles could've stole him if we offered him big dollars.

 

[fuddrooster]

I don't think there is any worry about that comment in bold.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-10-28/vic-prospect-wooller-grilled-by-crows-over-loyalty

this article makes me crook. They are basically telling us he wants to leave before he even gets here. I need a spew.

 

[Eagle Wrath]

this article makes me crook. They are basically telling us he wants to leave before he even gets here. I need a spew.

Yes. The go home factor is strong in that one. - TOBY Wooller

Adelaide fans can cross him off their list.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

How is J Gallucci going? Are you excited by his potential? I haven't heard much about him.

Last year eagles basically had the choice between Gallucci and Venables. We chose Venables with pick 14 and you chose Gallucci with 15.
I made a note to try and keep an eye on Gallucci, to see if we screwed up. Venables looks good though and we should see him debut next year. I know Gallucci played one game for you.

Gallucci should get plenty of games in 2018, as will give us a good pace & tackling replacement for Cameron. Imo, he should play more than half of the season all going well.

 

[deeztreez]

The discussion was over SPP over venables one main reason, no go home factor also SPP is a freak

Like us picking Doedee over Burton West coast should have gone the home grown talent for obvious reasons

Do you think each year like it showed in the trade period more and more players are playing the go home card, player movement is so much less likely if you are already in your home state and it will only get worse for the main reason clubs from the players home state are targeting these players like Gibbs Weller lever CC


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Huh? Jeez mate go back to school

 

[latinoheat]

SPP is shit. Venables was the right decision.

Doedee will be great next year. Burton would be good in the same role, if he was here. He would have barely played before now if he was in our side.

Just because he plays for the pear doesn’t make him shit. He’s 18 and I think held his own on the big stage . Certainly showed up a few of his softer team mates with his attack on the ball and contest . I certainly wouldn’t be disappointed if he played for us.

 

[Eagle Wrath]

SPP is shit. Venables was the right decision.

Doedee will be great next year. Burton would be good in the same role, if he was here. He would have barely played before now if he was in our side.

Hope my team drafts 5 "shit players" like Powell Pepper this year.

 

[marty36]

Huh? Jeez mate go back to school

Thanks for your input [emoji106]


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[marty36]

SPP is shit. Venables was the right decision.

Doedee will be great next year. Burton would be good in the same role, if he was here. He would have barely played before now if he was in our side.

If SPP is shit I'd hate to think what your opinion of some of our draftees is

WOW


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[marty36]

I don't want to keep the Venables conversation going on your Adelaide thread, so this is the last thing I will say. There is very little go home factor with Venables at this stage, because his childhood idol is Luke Shuey. And the eagles were smart, in that they moved Venables into Luke Shuey's house when he first came over here.

So even though he is Victorian, he is a fairly safe bet to stay over west for a fair while.

Wasn't the Lever decision based on money and the fact Adelaide offered him a low ball deal early in the year? Not always a go home reason.
Sounds like my eagles could've stole him if we offered him big dollars.

Although I have mentioned Venables it's more a comparison about the home grown talent against interstate talent as with Doedee and Burton or Galluci and Hayward or pohlkoke and graham

The way players are choosing to jump ship it needs to be considered

Lever left for both reasons he didn't go to Brisbane or Gold Coast who probably have more $$ than anyone

We as a club will target SA players and have done so for years like Gibbs Jacobs jarman Thompson as will Vic clubs we have just seen Gold Coast do it for the first time

The risk of home state clubs making plays for your players is huge it's happening more and more with FA uncontracted players now even contracted players are doing it like Gibbs and CC. If posters can't see this they are as blind as and yes we get compensated but on a draftee they are 3 or 4 years away from doing anything so if we start again with a player we have to wait 7 or 8 years that will restrict your team greatly





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[WaynesWorld19]

We as a club will target SA players and have done so for years like Gibbs Jacobs jarman Thompson as will Vic clubs we have just seen Gold Coast do it for the first time

The risk of home state clubs making plays for your players is huge it's happening more and more with FA uncontracted players now even contracted players are doing it like Gibbs and CC. If posters can't see this they are as blind as and yes we get compensated but on a draftee they are 3 or 4 years away from doing anything so if we start again with a player we have to wait 7 or 8 years that will restrict your team greatly

So rather than changing the recruiting practices, which Marty, is simply not workable .....all clubs would be frustrated with the "excuse" of this "go home" fallacy ....so i expect a push to have the AFL change the rules

Firstly, and i've said this for a few years:
1. if a player requests a trade whilst under contract, a player should simply not be able to walk away from a contract ......if a club entices a player, lets say Charlie Cameron, then in addition to the normal trade that occurs, that club should also pay a "Breach of Contract" $amount ......calculated by way of contract value & length remaining, and to be included in the TPP

2. I'm not a fan of longer initial Draft Contracts .......maybe 3 years terms for Round 1 picks ...2 years for other rounds .....and maintain 1 year Rookie Contracts

No club wants to have a draftee on a 4 year contract to be found he's a dud (Thorpe, Angwin, Handby, Smith)

3. Lastly, if after all the above, a suitable trade cannot occur, whether the player is in or out of Contract .......then that player simply goes back into the Draft Pool, along with every 18yo.

Remove the PS Draft ....it's not needed, and removes that threat & ability for a player to get to his club of choice, by putting a $ Contract requirement

 

[WaynesWorld19]

For those saying O'Brien is too outside & not a good Draft Option .......would you knock this guy back ?

 

[Elite Crow]

So rather than changing the recruiting practices, which Marty, is simply not workable .....all clubs would be frustrated with the "excuse" of this "go home" fallacy ....so i expect a push to have the AFL change the rules

Firstly, and i've said this for a few years:
1. if a player requests a trade whilst under contract, a player should simply not be able to walk away from a contract ......if a club entices a player, lets say Charlie Cameron, then in addition to the normal trade that occurs, that club should also pay a "Breach of Contract" $amount ......calculated by way of contract value & length remaining, and to be included in the TPP

2. I'm not a fan of longer initial Draft Contracts .......maybe 3 years terms for Round 1 picks ...2 years for other rounds .....and maintain 1 year Rookie Contracts

No club wants to have a draftee on a 4 year contract to be found he's a dud (Thorpe, Angwin, Handby, Smith)

3. Lastly, if after all the above, a suitable trade cannot occur, whether the player is in or out of Contract .......then that player simply goes back into the Draft Pool, along with every 18yo.

Remove the PS Draft ....it's not needed, and removes that threat & ability for a player to get to his club of choice, by putting a $ Contract requirement

A player can’t simply refuse to walk away from a contract, he can choose not to play if a club holds him to it but that’s it.

And letting them go into the draft hurts the club he was contracted from.

I like the suggestion raised by someone else previously, if you a breaking a contract, then the new contract at the new club is on the same terms. Therefore they can’t claim homesickness but really they are going for more money, there wouldn’t be more money.

 

[marty36]

So rather than changing the recruiting practices, which Marty, is simply not workable .....all clubs would be frustrated with the "excuse" of this "go home" fallacy ....so i expect a push to have the AFL change the rules

Firstly, and i've said this for a few years:
1. if a player requests a trade whilst under contract, a player should simply not be able to walk away from a contract ......if a club entices a player, lets say Charlie Cameron, then in addition to the normal trade that occurs, that club should also pay a "Breach of Contract" $amount ......calculated by way of contract value & length remaining, and to be included in the TPP

2. I'm not a fan of longer initial Draft Contracts .......maybe 3 years terms for Round 1 picks ...2 years for other rounds .....and maintain 1 year Rookie Contracts

No club wants to have a draftee on a 4 year contract to be found he's a dud (Thorpe, Angwin, Handby, Smith)

3. Lastly, if after all the above, a suitable trade cannot occur, whether the player is in or out of Contract .......then that player simply goes back into the Draft Pool, along with every 18yo.

Remove the PS Draft ....it's not needed, and removes that threat & ability for a player to get to his club of choice, by putting a $ Contract requirement

But the rules are the rules and they will continue to be exploited remember who votes the afl commission in which state has majority?


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[baldandbroke]

I particularly liked the bit where he said his grandfather is his idol (a Geelong premiership captain) and that he dreamt of playing for Geelong.

As a key forward he will take some time to develop, so no chance of playing regularly in the AFL in his first 2-3 years.

Sounds like the guy we should definitely be targeting

 

[baldandbroke]

A player can’t simply refuse to walk away from a contract, he can choose not to play if a club holds him to it but that’s it.

And letting them go into the draft hurts the club he was contracted from.

I like the suggestion raised by someone else previously, if you a breaking a contract, then the new contract at the new club is on the same terms. Therefore they can’t claim homesickness but really they are going for more money, there wouldn’t be more money.

What if a player that wants to leave during their first 3 year contract but a trade doesn't get worked out ... they are forced into the draft with the same contract AND the old club gets the contract's next year's $ extra in their cap for the next year, paid by the new club AND the old club gets handed the pick used for the player on draft day?

 

[Mego Red]

If SPP is shit I'd hate to think what your opinion of some of our draftees is

WOW


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He's terrible by foot and he's as good as he is going to be at 19 years old.

MUCH prefer Milera. He is tremendous by hand and foot. A pure footballers brain.