List Mgmt. 2017 Draft Prospects

[Dav1d]

I dunno about that. Verne Troyer and Warwick Davis look pretty sluggish.

Thats beyond short

 

[Dav1d]

Work Rate and Drive for me, plus a bit of a sponge according to
Peter Sumich.

 

[CaptainMurphy]

100% will not get past us!

You really didn't answer his question. Makes me think you're full of shit.

 

[Dav1d]

You really didn't answer his question. Makes me think you're full of shit.

How about our boy Oscar Allen

Looking good in his video today,

Its pretty insane if true but every club interviewed him twice at the combine!

 

[Mighty_sainter]

You really didn't answer his question. Makes me think you're full of shit.

Yep I'm full of shit. Watch cerra fall all the way through to the dogs

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

I haven't watched much of Cerra up to this point because I'd just assumed he wouldn't be any chance to fall to our pick, but I'm doing a bit of research now - is this video reflective of him as a footballer? Because I am really not impressed if so.



Even this video is more of the same:


I assume it's just a bad game/vid but would like some stronger confirmation from somebody who has watched a lot more of him. It's certainly not in line with what I've read about him, to my eye.

 

[Highlander]

I've only seen a few of videos, but Cerra looks average, really don't see the appeal.

 

[Kony Abbott]

I haven't watched much of Cerra up to this point because I'd just assumed he wouldn't be any chance to fall to our pick, but I'm doing a bit of research now - is this video reflective of him as a footballer? Because I am really not impressed if so.



Even this video is more of the same:


I assume it's just a bad game/vid but would like some stronger confirmation from somebody who has watched a lot more of him. It's certainly not in line with what I've read about him, to my eye.

Gollo rates him very highly, probably the best person to ask.

 

[Gollo]

I haven't watched much of Cerra up to this point because I'd just assumed he wouldn't be any chance to fall to our pick, but I'm doing a bit of research now - is this video reflective of him as a footballer? Because I am really not impressed if so.



Even this video is more of the same:


I assume it's just a bad game/vid but would like some stronger confirmation from somebody who has watched a lot more of him. It's certainly not in line with what I've read about him, to my eye.

Why are you not impressed? I have zero troubles looking at that vision.

Cerra is a consistently high production, classy inside mid with excellent skills. I'm going to assume some of his kicks out of congestion were not particularly to your liking, to which I would reply that people expect way, way too much from inside midfielders in draft pools. People want inside mids to have elite speed, size, clean skills under pressure, contested ball-winning ability and outside capacity. It's ridiculous. Cerra has terrific skills out of the contest with respect to all inside mids in this pool, and just because he hacked a couple of kicks in that SA game shouldn't be a knock on him.

I also feel that you didn't like the way he got caught with the ball a few times in the Allies game - it doesn't look good, but it happens to literally every footballer at some stage and Cerra's ability shouldn't be judged by two times he got caught blindly.

Cerra's hands are as good as Constable's out of the contest, and he has impressive agility and evasion. He can hit damaging kicks on the run with time and space, and is more than capable above his head. He's also shown the ability to provide good scoreboard pressure playing as a medium forward. He's the whole package, and uber-reliable.

 

[maddog37]

Im so glad we have Dalrymple. The more I see of this years draft crop the less inspired I feel.

 

[CaptainMurphy]

How about our boy Oscar Allen

Looking good in his video today,

Its pretty insane if true but every club interviewed him twice at the combine!

Seems like a clever lad, ey. Would be excited if we took him at 16. I was right about his long arms too.

 

[giblj]

Oscar Allen speaks extremely well. Comes across as very intelligent. I could see us liking him on that alone.


On iPhone using BigFooty.com mobile app

Very impressive young man

 

[Highlander]

Why are you not impressed? I have zero troubles looking at that vision.

Cerra is a consistently high production, classy inside mid with excellent skills. I'm going to assume some of his kicks out of congestion were not particularly to your liking, to which I would reply that people expect way, way too much from inside midfielders in draft pools. People want inside mids to have elite speed, size, clean skills under pressure, contested ball-winning ability and outside capacity. It's ridiculous. Cerra has terrific skills out of the contest with respect to all inside mids in this pool, and just because he hacked a couple of kicks in that SA game shouldn't be a knock on him.

I also feel that you didn't like the way he got caught with the ball a few times in the Allies game - it doesn't look good, but it happens to literally every footballer at some stage and Cerra's ability shouldn't be judged by two times he got caught blindly.

Cerra's hands are as good as Constable's out of the contest, and he has impressive agility and evasion. He can hit damaging kicks on the run with time and space, and is more than capable above his head. He's also shown the ability to provide good scoreboard pressure playing as a medium forward. He's the whole package, and uber-reliable.

I have watched about 5 whole videos of Cerra, so I'm 100% an expert. From the videos I have seen, he looks like a decent footballer, finds the football, decent kick and good football IQ. However, there was just nothing in those videos that makes him stand out to me, seems pretty vanilla.

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

Why are you not impressed? I have zero troubles looking at that vision.

Cerra is a consistently high production, classy inside mid with excellent skills. I'm going to assume some of his kicks out of congestion were not particularly to your liking, to which I would reply that people expect way, way too much from inside midfielders in draft pools. People want inside mids to have elite speed, size, clean skills under pressure, contested ball-winning ability and outside capacity. It's ridiculous. Cerra has terrific skills out of the contest with respect to all inside mids in this pool, and just because he hacked a couple of kicks in that SA game shouldn't be a knock on him.

I also feel that you didn't like the way he got caught with the ball a few times in the Allies game - it doesn't look good, but it happens to literally every footballer at some stage and Cerra's ability shouldn't be judged by two times he got caught blindly.

Cerra's hands are as good as Constable's out of the contest, and he has impressive agility and evasion. He can hit damaging kicks on the run with time and space, and is more than capable above his head. He's also shown the ability to provide good scoreboard pressure playing as a medium forward. He's the whole package, and uber-reliable.

I look at that vision and see misplaced kicks without the area being heavily congested, along with some dropped marks and some interesting decisions. Getting caught isn't really an issue for mine as he's clearly very aggressive in playing on and you're going to cop that occasionally when you are. It's the kicks that worry me, some of them are under only minor pressure.

I wasn't born yesterday, I feel I have a reasonable handle on what to expect from a junior inside mid, and I don't see a bad player in that vision - but Cerra is consistently heralded as having elite skills and I just don't see it in either of those videos. I watch footage from many others in that expected top 12-15ish and see a lot more elite or potentially elite qualities.

Happy to hear alternative views on him as I'm working on a small sample size - that's why I asked - but those videos just don't show what I'm hearing about him, to me.

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

I will say that he looks to be a good kick when he gets an aggressive lead. He places the ball very well for leading forwards; there are numerous examples of it in those videos.

I'm not seeing a lot of evidence of his ability to pick a target out and hit them in other situations, though. All I'm really suggesting is that I don't see the skilfulness he's seemingly renowned for.

 

[goodcop badcop]

I will say that he looks to be a good kick when he gets an aggressive lead. He places the ball very well for leading forwards; there are numerous examples of it in those videos.

I'm not seeing a lot of evidence of his ability to pick a target out and hit them in other situations, though. All I'm really suggesting is that I don't see the skilfulness he's seemingly renowned for.

I think his kicking is overrated on what I've seen as well.

The rest of what Gollo said, I agree with though. I think he's got the tools to become elite and he'll only get better as he's missed a lot of footy over the last two years. What those videos probably didn't show was his ability to hit the scoreboard and more of his evasiveness. He kicked 3.5 and had 22 possessions in a game which tells you a bit about his talent. He's got a pretty big tank from what I hear as well, but hasn't been able to get that back up to full capacity because of injury. He would be a deserving top 5 pick still IMO.

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

I think his kicking is overrated on what I've seen as well.

The rest of what Gollo said, I agree with though. I think he's got the tools to become elite and he'll only get better as he's missed a lot of footy over the last two years. What those videos probably didn't show was his ability to hit the scoreboard and more of his evasiveness. He kicked 3.5 and had 22 possessions in a game which tells you a bit about his talent. He's got a pretty big tank from what I hear as well, but hasn't been able to get that back up to full capacity because of injury. He would be a deserving top 5 pick still IMO.

Just out of interest, if he fell to 9, you'd snap him up without hesitation?

 

[JAMES_B_101]

Just out of interest, if he fell to 9, you'd snap him up without hesitation?

I probably would, I feel like he wasn't primarily played in his best position at the champs but in saying this I really like some of his work up forward 1 on 1. Don't have many question marks over him and think his game will translate pretty well.

 

[Charlie Bucket]

Just to move the discussion back here from the wishlist thread, Bishop said "Dogs have met with Constable a fair bit lately, so there is some mail there" for those wondering.

Very happy hearing that. I'm hoping we pull the trigger at 9, can't see him sliding to 16.
To honest I can't believe he isn't rated as highly by most, especially in a weak draft.

 

[Charlie Bucket]

Bonts2Boyd our draft expert. heard any whispers lately?

Not This year Damo, no Luke Ryans in this draft
Keen on Constable and Coffield but think Coffield will go earlier than 9.
Can see us going a bit of a smokey with 16.

Who are you liking from this draft ?

 

[House_of_Dahl]

How about our boy Oscar Allen

Looking good in his video today,

Its pretty insane if true but every club interviewed him twice at the combine!

I end up liking nearly every top 20 draftee I read about

 

[Gollo]

Oscar Allen speaks extremely well. Comes across as very intelligent. I could see us liking him on that alone.

Look, he doesn't mind a tautology, but he is very assured in his explanations and seemed to have good awareness of his own game.

 

[Northernsoul74]

Not This year Damo, no Luke Ryans in this draft
Keen on Constable and Coffield but think Coffield will go earlier than 9.
Can see us going a bit of a smokey with 16.

Who are you liking from this draft ?

I’d love Zac Bailey at 16.

 

[Royal Doulton]

Higgins may well be our guy at Pick 9 im starting to think...

LDU
Dow
Raynor
Stephenson
Naughton or Brander
Cerra
Brawshaw
Coffield
HIGGINS

 

[Dry Rot]

We cannot take Allen, according to afl.com stats