List Mgmt. 2017 Draft Prospects

[Dry Rot]

I also think Oz is the best show that HBO have ever made

Absolutely.

I was a huge fan of Vern Schillinger. Top bloke.

 

[Rookie]

Great stuff on Constable Gollo and Wizard! Hopefully we get to see some more complete highlights videos before the draft.

 

[Gollo]

What are the knocks on Bailey? From the highlights and what I've read it sounds like he's worth a crack at 9. Why is he rated so low other than average kicks. Consistency? Defensive game?

I guess everyone at this time of year sounds like a potential star though

On the smaller side at 181cm, unproven in any defensive role, not an elite kick, low-ish disposal numbers are his flaws. The impact he has, however, as a bullocking inside mid means he's definitely worth taking at 16, in my opinion, and I would speculate that in an AFL environment, playing AFL-length games, he would be able to push his possession tallies up into the 25pg range with a few pre-seasons under his belt.

 

[Dav1d]

Wondering if we might pick up Shea who played for Foostcray this year & looked decent as a small forward.

 

[VitalDread]

Wondering if we might pick up Shea who played for Foostcray this year & looked decent as a small forward.

Sadly not

 

[JAMES_B_101]

Oh I liked him already, I just haven't heard anyone mention his name very often.

I was teasing that was the player that Pann told you about.

Have been a Crowden fan at the start of the season, originally had him compared to Dion Prestia. Didn't know how he tested at the combine though, those results are very good. Like that he's strong through the core too so he is hard to tackle.

Small but has elite athleticism.

2.92sec 20m - equal 1st at SA combine
81cm VJ - 1st at SA combine
91cm running VJ (right) 89cm (left) - 1st and 2nd at the SA combine
8.24sec agility test - 5th at the SA combine
21.3 YOYO - 4th overall at the SA combine

Has a bit of a cannon footskills wise when he decides to unleash, kicked a really good goal in the SANFL u18 GF using it and was probably second best on ground definitely best on for Sturt. Pretty sure he has played senior SANFL this year.

Could become something like Lachie Neale.

Played a fair bit of SANFL seniors, didn't rack up huge numbers but I think at SANFL u18 level he did (last year maybe). Started this season in the seniors I'm pretty sure. Was my favourite short player this year pre champs but primarily handballed at the champs so don't think he stood out as much as he could have if he used his leg more. Was surprised he only got a state combine invite.

 

[JAMES_B_101]

I can definitely see us picking Constable and I can see him fitting in well and adding depth to our midfield. We don't have to add top end mids to our midfield group because we have Bontempelli already, and Lipinski looks pretty slick. We need depth and a big body that uses the ball effectively would be fine for us. It's a boring pick but I can see Constable working out. I hope his kicking isn't as loopy as I remember it being at the champs.

 

[JAMES_B_101]

My concerns over Constable being a fit in our team relate to how quickly he gets the ball from point A to point B by foot. Last season I was frustrated by our inability to pull the trigger and go for goal from 50 as a lot of our mids can't go the journey so would never try. Now I am tracing the cause of this problem to our speed of ball movement. It always felt like our forward entries this season were against set defenses so we'd need to carry the line from 50. In our premiership year our game plan relied on our bounce from half back getting us scoring opportunities closer to goal by transitioning before defenses could flood back and clog up space in our attacking 50. If Constable is a player that will either help us carry the line from 50 or increase speed of ball movement by foot then he'd be a great fit. If not then whilst I can see him fitting in fine and playing well, I'd question whether he will be able to help us win more games. With a top 10 pick I'd be wanting to make sure we take a player that will help us play the style we want to play better.

 

[yebiga]

Constable can play more than just inside mid like what most vids on youtube show. He can play as a forward as he is a good finisher and is strong overhead, he can play the same role as Matthew Boyd did across half back in 2016 and he can play as an onballer.

Also he is taller than Macrae was as a junior (Macrae grew after he was drafted) and even if he is not as good on the outside as Macrae was he is better on the inside and is very good in heavy traffic.

Constable woild give us a few things.

1. Someone who can play Matty Boyd's half back role and be just as prolific winning the footy and using it well under pressure in this role.
2. Play as an inside midfielder and give us an extra bigger body with good skills. Dunkley and Jong are injury prone and Bont can't play midfield for an entire game.
3. Talking about when Bont goes forward it would be quite possible to play Constable as a marking forward when Bont goes into the midfield and then switching them around when he needs a rest. Constable has played very well as a forward as a junior. I feel that people forget he averages a goal a game at TAC level and is a good mark.

He is such a natural footballer so he can pretty much do anything on a footy field. Feel like he will be a forward to start off with us though as his marking and finishing skills is something we need badly. Then he will move more into the midfield as he bulks up.

Macrae is a gun on the inside! Whatyouttalkingabout?

 

[King Harold]

Haven't seen enough of him to give a detailed summation, but if you're a 180cm primary inside midfielder that doesn't win a lot of ball even as a junior there are always going to be question marks on how well you're going to step up at AFL level.

Those numbers are a long way off , also has a bit of a panicky kick to him.
Maybe he could be that small quick forward at AFL ?

 

[True Dog]

I'm just not feeling Constable, wouldn't mind him at 16 but not sure at 9... Then again what do I know....

 

[Dale4captain]

Can someone talk to me about Fogarty? I’ve just been told we’re scouting him pretty hard.

From what I’ve been told, he has a Patty Cripps ceiling? Bit slow though. Is that a fair summation?

 

[Gollo]

Can someone talk to me about Fogarty? I’ve just been told we’re scouting him pretty hard.

From what I’ve been told, he has a Patty Cripps ceiling? Bit slow though. Is that a fair summation?

Super highly-rated at the start of the year. Had a shocker of a season at all levels, really.

He's massive, 192cm and 94.5kg, built like a brick shithouse. The issue is that, with his height, he's unable to play genuine key position roles, even though it's what he's suited to. He doesn't know how to win the ball en masse and, despite what Michael Ablett says, is not "100% the best kick in the draft". Not even close. His kicking is average. His acceleration is definitely a worry. He's also not a natural goalkicker at all, or a man defender. His vertical leap is pretty good but his marking isn't elite.

His year has been completely underwhelming. He had 4 U18 Champs games in which he didn't do much, and had been fairly uninspiring at SANFL level until injury curtailed his year. His poor production is a massive red light for any potential suitors, and although he has potential to play up forward, down back or in the midfield, he's shown no real, consistent proficiency in any of these areas. I would be thoroughly disappointed if we took him at 9 or 16.

 

[Dale4captain]

Super highly-rated at the start of the year. Had a shocker of a season at all levels, really.

He's massive, 192cm and 94.5kg, built like a brick shithouse. The issue is that, with his height, he's unable to play genuine key position roles, even though it's what he's suited to. He doesn't know how to win the ball en masse and, despite what Michael Ablett says, is not "100% the best kick in the draft". Not even close. His kicking is average. His acceleration is definitely a worry. He's also not a natural goalkicker at all, or a man defender. His vertical leap is pretty good but his marking isn't elite.

His year has been completely underwhelming. He had 4 U18 Champs games in which he didn't do much, and had been fairly uninspiring at SANFL level until injury curtailed his year. His poor production is a massive red light for any potential suitors, and although he has potential to play up forward, down back or in the midfield, he's shown no real, consistent proficiency in any of these areas. I would be thoroughly disappointed if we took him at 9 or 16.

Well shit me sideways, sounds like a Stringer clone?!

That might be why we’re interested.

Thanks for the info, Gollo.

 

[murphy's twin]

Super highly-rated at the start of the year. Had a shocker of a season at all levels, really.

He's massive, 192cm and 94.5kg, built like a brick shithouse. The issue is that, with his height, he's unable to play genuine key position roles, even though it's what he's suited to. He doesn't know how to win the ball en masse and, despite what Michael Ablett says, is not "100% the best kick in the draft". Not even close. His kicking is average. His acceleration is definitely a worry. He's also not a natural goalkicker at all, or a man defender. His vertical leap is pretty good but his marking isn't elite.

His year has been completely underwhelming. He had 4 U18 Champs games in which he didn't do much, and had been fairly uninspiring at SANFL level until injury curtailed his year. His poor production is a massive red light for any potential suitors, and although he has potential to play up forward, down back or in the midfield, he's shown no real, consistent proficiency in any of these areas. I would be thoroughly disappointed if we took him at 9 or 16.

I understand people's concern.

But I remember dannn in particular writing up detailed explanations on why Bont is a poor choice.

Sometimes we look too much into players production at the under 18 level. There are sometimes good reasons for this, such as injury, expectation management, playing out of position etc etc

As long as the player shows sign of elite trait and has at some point showed consistency- 2016 for Figerty?

And really if Dal likes him thats enough for me!!

 

[Gollo]

I understand people's concern.

But I remember dannn in particular writing up detailed explanations on why Bont is a poor choice.

Sometimes we look too much into players production at the under 18 level. There are sometimes good reasons for this, such as injury, expectation management, playing out of position etc etc

As long as the player shows sign of elite trait and has at some point showed consistency- 2016 for Figerty?

And really if Dal likes him thats enough for me!!

I wasn't huge on Bont at the time either, but there's a key factor which is crucially important in adjudging a player's ability to step up to the next level, especially when they haven't had exceptional production throughout the year - improvement throughout the year. Bontempelli had it, Macrae had it, Clayton Oliver had it. They all went within the top 6 and have been of the most valuable picks in their draft because recruiting teams had been able to effectively punt on their development and growth which they showed in their draft year. Fogarty has none of that - he's shown less and less as the year's progressed, which is a really worrying possible sign that he does not have much more room for improvement in an AFL environment, particularly given his massive frame and lack of a best position.

 

[murphy's twin]

I wasn't huge on Bont at the time either, but there's a key factor which is crucially important in adjudging a player's ability to step up to the next level, especially when they haven't had exceptional production throughout the year - improvement throughout the year. Bontempelli had it, Macrae had it, Clayton Oliver had it. They all went within the top 6 and have been of the most valuable picks in their draft because recruiting teams had been able to effectively punt on their development and growth which they showed in their draft year. Fogarty has none of that - he's shown less and less as the year's progressed, which is a really worrying possible sign that he does not have much more room for improvement in an AFL environment, particularly given his massive frame and lack of a best position.

Coming back from a knee injury would have a big impact on his ability to rapidly improve this year.

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

Those hands; those skills

 

[Royal Doulton]

Can someone talk to me about Fogarty? I’ve just been told we’re scouting him pretty hard.

From what I’ve been told, he has a Patty Cripps ceiling? Bit slow though. Is that a fair summation?

He will be taken by either Freo at 5.. or Coll at 6... but if he does slip through we would pounce for sure...

Super highly-rated at the start of the year. Had a shocker of a season at all levels, really.

He's massive, 192cm and 94.5kg, built like a brick shithouse. The issue is that, with his height, he's unable to play genuine key position roles, even though it's what he's suited to. He doesn't know how to win the ball en masse and, despite what Michael Ablett says, is not "100% the best kick in the draft". Not even close. His kicking is average. His acceleration is definitely a worry. He's also not a natural goalkicker at all, or a man defender. His vertical leap is pretty good but his marking isn't elite.

His year has been completely underwhelming. He had 4 U18 Champs games in which he didn't do much, and had been fairly uninspiring at SANFL level until injury curtailed his year. His poor production is a massive red light for any potential suitors, and although he has potential to play up forward, down back or in the midfield, he's shown no real, consistent proficiency in any of these areas. I would be thoroughly disappointed if we took him at 9 or 16.

I have a differing opinion completely.. but time will tell...

The reality is Dal will pick the best player available with our 1st pick...

If D.Fogarty, J.Brander, A.Cerra, A.Brayshaw are available..he will pick them... take it to the bank...

He won't pick the likes of Constable, Clark, Murphy, or even Coffield before them based on a premise it better fits list profile in Nov/17.. since much can change with a list by the time an 18 yo earns regular senior games..

My Top 10 is as follows;

1. Brisbane - Rayner
2. Fremantle - LDU
3. Carlton - Cerra
4. North - Dow
5. Fremantle - D.Fogarty
6. Collingwood - Stephenson
7. Saints - Brayshaw
8. Saints - Coffield
9. Dogs - Brander
10. Blues - Higgins


Hopefully one of Bonar, Murphy, Clark, Constable, Higgins slides to p.16.

Either way, after watching alot of highight clips.. I'm wrapt we've got two picks in the top 16... there are some guns available no doubt..

 

[Royal Doulton]

Those hands; those skills

Can see why there is a hype around him and a potential bolt to Top 10.. hopefully he lasts to 16..

 

[goodcop badcop]

Well shit me sideways, sounds like a Stringer clone?!

That might be why we’re interested.

Thanks for the info, Gollo.

Gollo is Fogarty's harshest critic, someone will need to send an ambulance to his/her place if we pick him up at 9.

I think his skills are very good and speed isn't a huge issue for mine with a 3.03 over 20m which is considered slightly above average. His work in the midfield is as good as anyones in the draft IMO, but we haven't seen enough of him in there as his endurance could be better.

He was kicking goals for fun at U16 level, looks like he had a 10 goal haul looking at his stats. He hasn't been overly great at U18 level as a forward though. Kicked 4 goals in the U18 championships as a 17 year old last year which I think was his best outing. But he has been carrying a knee injury this year which may have affected him.

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

Pelchen has Coffield sliding to us.

 

[LoveDamoBarrett]

SEN reporting Freo will pick Sam hayes. How does that affect who is available at 9?

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

SEN reporting Freo will pick Sam hayes. How does that affect who is available at 9?

That wouldn't make much sense for Freo to me, but it definitely increases the chances of a slider like Coffield or Cerra reaching us. If Collingwood also go tall then one of LDU, Dow, Cerra, Rayner, Stephenson, Brayshaw and Coffield is guaranteed to be there.

 

[bulldog87]

On afl website Cal Twomey reporting that Darcy Fogarty could be a chance for the blues at 3. Also L Fogarty could go early & looked at for our 2nd pick. Looks an even draft after the first 8 or so

http://m.afl.com.au/news/2017-11-06/draft-movers-dragons-mates-continue-to-rise