List Mgmt. 2017 Draft Prospects

[Leviticus]

Fair enough, I have certainly cooled off on him across the year. Still think he will become a good player though.

I do hope if we go for Naughton that he fixes up that kicking, yikes.

In my opinion, while kicking for goal can sometimes be substantially improved, for general field kicking only marginal improvement is possible. It is all part and parcel of the general way a player moves and you just can't strip that right back and rebuild from the ground up.

Edit: and part of the player's intrinsic vision capability.

 

[giblj]

Trying to narrow down who we might have available at 9 by hypothesising who will definitely be selected before our turn.

I come up with a list of 5: Rayner, LDU, Dow, Brayshaw, Cerra.

That leaves 3 picks. In that mix, it seems: D Fogarty, Stephenson, Coffield, Clark, Naughton, Bonar, Brander & Murphy.

I am assuming that we don't want a KPP (despite some of the media reports linking us to Naughton). Therefore, we would not take Naughton or Brander.

Therefore, at least 3 out of this 6 should be available: D Fogarty, Stephenson, Coffield, Clark, Bonar & Murphy. Any one of these would do me for a pick 9.

Is my logic sound?

Yes and I’d be pretty happy with any of those, I’m still going to have that nagging thought that we’ll take Naughton though. Hopefully Collingwood snap him up, he’d be a great fit for them but they might just take a mid slider.

 

[Yojimbo]

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1999- Robert Murphy 312 Games
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[CaptainMurphy]

As much as my vibe these days is "In Dal We Trust" I would have a hard time understanding if we took Naughton.

 

[murphy's twin]

People of big footy

Let me present you potential future best 22 which dal has in mind. Although mind you this is pretty much best 22 for this year:

Biggs Young. Cordy

Wood Naughton Richards

JJ. Libba Macrae

Boyd. Bont McLean

Dale. Adams Dunkley

Dahl. Schache FP


Daniel Wallis Hunter Jong

I think looking at the side Naughton, Young and cordy could work really really well!!

Don’t forget that Naughton is quick, I think if he was only listed 3cm shorter you guys would have a totally different view. The fact that he has the height to also compete in the air is a brilliant thing for us.

In dal we trust!

Edit: just realized I forgot English!!! That’s the tricky part. Someone will have to make way for him.

Also there doesn’t seem to be a obvious choice for FP in the medium to long term post picken.

 

[goodcop badcop]

Biggs Young. Cordy

Wood Naughton Richards

JJ. Libba Macrae

Boyd. Bont McLean

Dale. Adams Murphy

Dahl. Schache Picken

Dunkley Daniel Wallis Hunter

So we've got Trengove, Roberts and Collins sitting in the sheds. The first two have shown they can at least play a role at senior level and be pretty competitive at doing it. Those three are the best equipped to play on the big hulking forwards as well.

You've also got Adams playing forward, which is ok, but he's a better defender than forward. He looks more natural back there and has had some All Australian quality games. We could be robbing ourselves of a gun back.

I'm even more unconvinced in picking Naughton after looking at that lineup now.

Don’t forget that Naughton is quick, I think if he was only listed 3cm shorter you guys would have a totally different view. The fact that he has the height to also compete in the air is a brilliant thing for us.

Huh? If he was 3cm shorter we would be taking an attacking half back with iffy kicking skills. Why is that good?

 

[Gollo]

So if we don't take Darcy Fogarty you'll melt and if we do then Gollo will melt.

This is going to be quite funny either way.

Yeah...

Not too keen on the Naughton talk either, have been away from internet last 5 days and this isn't really the news I like to hear coming back.

 

[Gollo]

And Constable 7:58. Ew.

Don't really like that. Still would be fine with him at 9 but that isn't at all convincing.

 

[murphy's twin]

So we've got Trengove, Roberts and Collins sitting in the sheds. The first two have shown they can at least play a role at senior level and be pretty competitive at doing it. Those three are the best equipped to play on the big hulking forwards as well.

You've also got Adams playing forward, which is ok, but he's a better defender than forward. He looks more natural back there and has had some All Australian quality games. We could be robbing ourselves of a gun back.

I'm even more unconvinced in picking Naughton after looking at that lineup now.



Huh? If he was 3cm shorter we would be taking an attacking half back with iffy kicking skills. Why is that good?

Those 3 other tall backs can’t be counted with great confidence. Defense is so so important in terms of premierships. And it is smart lost strategy to have back ups in the VFL and also.

By the sounds of it Naughton has proven himself already in the WAFL. He will really give our back line that premiership defense for many years to come.

Look I’m just coming in here as a different voice to justify the mail that we actually rate him!

 

[murphy's twin]

Also think the reason why we won a premiership is because dal picked best available over needs.

Another way to put this argument is this.

Would you prefer to potentially in say 4-5 years have a tall back line combo in the quality of Brian lake at CHB (Naughten) and Harry Taylor (Young) at full back.

Vs

Young and a injury prone player in Adams or 30yo trengrove (not preferred at port) as the key backs to win us a grand final in 2021. Now in this situation obviously we would potentially have a great player in Coffield etc. but you see my point.

Defense wins you games on grand final day.

 

[giblj]

You go best available over needs to an extent. For example Sam Hayes could well be considered best available by some at 16 and I wouldn't have thought we'd take him.

 

[Th3 DoG FaTh3R]

Do not want Naughton. He is not right for our list. Also to those continuously placing Adams as a KPF in predicted best 22s for 2018 and beyond. Please. He is a pinch hitter at best. He played key forward in the WAFL and was average. He was then moved back due to his lack of forward productivity. It was only then that he became draft relevant.

 

[Leviticus]

Do not want Naughton. He is not right for our list. Also to those continuously placing Adams as a KPF in predicted best 22s for 2018 and beyond. Please. He is a pinch hitter at best. He played key forward in the WAFL and was average. He was then moved back due to his lack of forward productivity. It was only then that he became draft relevant.

Taking Naughton straight after recruiting Trengove would be kind of like saying that, Roberts is on the way out or we made a mistake in recruiting Collins and perhaps Young. The jury is still out on the latter two, I think they could both still make it, although Collins is going to want to force his way into the seniors this year for a good clutch of games (say 6) and show he is up to the standard. And I think Roberts will bounce back from his premiership hangover this year. I think the club should punt that we don't need to use our first round picks this year on KPBs.

 

[Dav1d]

lol or we take Naughton & start playing him up forward

I did want to see Young trialed more up forward, his age would be perfect for when Trengove finishes up his career & Morris would be a great mentor in his first year

Maybe Dal sees him as a big bodied midfielder

 

[LittleG]

lol or we take Naughton & start playing him up forward

I did want to see Young trialed more up forward, his age would be perfect for when Trengove finishes up his career & Morris would be a great mentor in his first year

Maybe Dal sees him as a big bodied midfielder

I just can't see us taking Naughton. For many reason, mainly we have no need.

Looking forward to when half the board gets A Bonar, while the other half melts!

 

[goodcop badcop]

Those 3 other tall backs can’t be counted with great confidence. Defense is so so important in terms of premierships.

Not everyone has to be Brian Lake (Thank God they aren't). Schoenmakers and Spangher won premierships in the Hawthorn years. We won a premiership with Roberts. Richmond won with Astbury. None of these are world beaters, they played their role. One of Trengove or Roberts could be reliable contributors in our next premiership side too.

And it is smart lost strategy to have back ups in the VFL and also.

That's why we brought in Trengove to strengthen it. Naughton is another developing young defender which we have plenty of at the moment. We've drafted in 4 tall defenders in 3 years and maybe one other in Mullenger-McHugh. We're going overboard.

By the sounds of it Naughton has proven himself already in the WAFL. He will really give our back line that premiership defense for many years to come.

Nothing is really proven yet though. Naughton in his words said, he played as a 3rd tall defender, not as a key back at WAFL level. It is a good sign that he has been able to step up to WAFL senior level, but it's a bit rich saying he will be a great player on the back of his form in the WAFL competition.

An example. There was a young tall defender that was drafted to St Kilda a couple years ago. He played well in our VFL side and most on here wanted to draft him because of that. Yet he was delisted this year without playing a game.

Also think the reason why we won a premiership is because dal picked best available over needs.

I don't think that's necessarily true. Crozier was Dalrymple's guy in 2011, but we picked up Smith because McCartney wanted us to draft the best inside mid.

Would you prefer to potentially in say 4-5 years have a tall back line combo in the quality of Brian lake at CHB (Naughten) and Harry Taylor (Young) at full back.

Vs

Young and a injury prone player in Adams or 30yo trengrove (not preferred at port) as the key backs to win us a grand final in 2021. Now in this situation obviously we would potentially have a great player in Coffield etc. but you see my point.

Defense wins you games on grand final day.

I've sort of covered this above.

I will say, I'm worried about his kicking which may stop him from becoming an elite defender. He can get under it a bit especially when under pressure and I doubt it can be corrected with his awkward kicking style.

 

[Royal Doulton]

Don't really like that. Still would be fine with him at 9 but that isn't at all convincing.

Constable not even going to Draft night... safe to assume he is not a first round prospect... let alone a top 10..

 

[Freezin]

Would like to think English would be in any future WBD best 22....perhaps even one for 2018....being a biased WA boy, Naughton comes with lots of credentials in terms of composure, calmness and ability....is Collins up to it?...is Adams gonna be injury free to play enough footy?....is recruiting Naughton as bad a choice as many think....Young and Naughton as key backs, Boyd and Schache as key forwards....English as ruck....

 

[murphy's twin]

Would like to think English would be in any future WBD best 22....perhaps even one for 2018....being a biased WA boy, Naughton comes with lots of credentials in terms of composure, calmness and ability....is Collins up to it?...is Adams gonna be injury free to play enough footy?....is recruiting Naughton as bad a choice as many think....Young and Naughton as key backs, Boyd and Schache as key forwards....English as ruck....

This is what I mean.

I want to improve our chance of a quality spine!! I think the club is questioning colins value...

 

[Gollo]

Constable not even going to Draft night... safe to assume he is not a first round prospect... let alone a top 10..

Yep, I've actually changed my mind since that post with a bit more time to think about it. Given the likelihood of one of Stephenson, Coffield, Bonar and Murphy being available at 9 I would actually be pretty flat with Constable taken there, and it's all but confirmed that he won't be.

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

Given the likelihood of one of Stephenson, Coffield, Bonar and Murphy being available at 9 I would actually be pretty flat with Constable taken there, and it's all but confirmed that he won't be.

Coming around?

 

[Royal Doulton]

Safe to assume the following players can be excluded from Pick 9 calculations;

* Reynor
* Brayshaw
* LDU
* P.Dow
* Cerra

From the remaining players that are a chance to be available at 9..

My preference order would be;
1/D.Fogarty
2/A.Bonar
3/J.Stephenson
4/ J.Brander
5/ N.Coffield
6/ A.Naughton

Of the players likely in the Pick 16 Range, my preference would be;
1/ J.Higgins
2/ N.Murphy
3/ H.Clark
3/ P.Naish
4/ L.Fogarty
5/ E.Richards
6/ T.McCartin

 

[Gollo]

Coming around?

I would prefer him only if Coffield, Stephenson, Cerra and Bonar are all gone, as it's all but confirmed that he won't last until 16 and I would hate for us to take Fogarty, Naughton or Higgins. His overhead marking is what got me over the line - that he had few weaknesses I already had gathered, but I hadn't been aware of just how damaging he is aerially.

 

[Leviticus]

Safe to assume the following players can be excluded from Pick 9 calculations;

* Reynor
* Brayshaw
* LDU
* P.Dow
* Cerra

From the remaining players that are a chance to be available at 9..

My preference order would be;
1/D.Fogarty
2/A.Bonar
3/J.Stephenson
4/ J.Brander
5/ N.Coffield
6/ A.Naughton

Of the players likely in the Pick 16 Range, my preference would be;
1/ J.Higgins
2/ N.Murphy
3/ H.Clark
3/ P.Naish
4/ L.Fogarty
5/ E.Richards
6/ T.McCartin

Here is an interesting one for you RD. I wonder whether Bonar or even Stephenson might still be available at pick 16 because of concerns about, respectively, injury history and health?

There is a part of me that wants us to use pick 9 to wave the Stringer replacement trophy in the faces of Essendon and all the others. That is, D Fogarty or Bonar. Plus we have obviously a need for a versatile marking forward, someone who can play FF or on a flank, deep or high. If Fogarty or Bonar are gone, Sticky Fingers Murphy at 188cm and 85kg has caught my imagination and I don't think draft watchers will call it a reach by now.

Then there is another part of me wants us to use pick 9 on the best available genuine outside mid (pace & kicking skills) because we are a bit thin in that rank: Stephenson, Coffield, Clark all seem to meet that bill.

If we go the outside mid with 9, then I would like the club to mix it up a bit and go for the versatile marking forward with 16. But this is where it gets tricky. Murphy may be available but it thins out from there unless Balta is deemed to have the mobility to be such a forward. Your suggestion of McCartin is very interesting.

If we go the versatile marking forward with 9, then outside mids available are not quite as impressive as the ones around pick 9. L Fogarty looks good but is on the smaller side (not sure if that matters or counts for anything with a player who is selected to be an outside mid), O'Brien is a bit more robust and seems to be higher rated but his whole game videos are a mixed bag, I found - he looks great in one, in the other he has what looked to me a pretty ordinary game - clangers and hot potatos. Zac Bailey is an average kick.

When I did my mock draft the other day, I found myself taking D Fogarty and Bonar. It is not implausible that both could be available. But is that overdoing it?

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

I would prefer him only if Coffield, Stephenson, Cerra and Bonar are all gone, as it's all but confirmed that he won't last until 16 and I would hate for us to take Fogarty, Naughton or Higgins. His overhead marking is what got me over the line - that he had few weaknesses I already had gathered, but I hadn't been aware of just how damaging he is aerially.

That's the selling point for me too. He just doesn't lose a contest in the vision I've seen, and when he gets hands to the ball it's a foregone conclusion that the mark will stick. Combine that with his ball use and his ability to play multiple positions and I really don't think 9 is as much of a stretch as it has been made out to be in this draft.