List Mgmt. 2017 Draft Prospects

[VitalDread]

If Tom De Koning is at pick 82 i would take him
Played well across half forward and half back this year

 

[dergert]

I miss Emma Quayle's mocks. Always bang on.


My personal preference is for speed and good foot skills.

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

I miss Emma Quayle's mocks. Always bang on.


My personal preference is for speed and good foot skills.

I love Quayle and her mocks, but to be completely fair, she did always play it safer by waiting until the very last minute. Her mock wouldn't be out 'til Wednesday night IIRC, and I reckon by then we'll have a little more clarity.

This time a couple years ago we still weren't sure whether Petracca or McCartin would be #1, but two days out most were adamant it would be McCartin. It wasn't until the morning of the draft that word broke that Cockatoo could be a shock top ten selection by Geelong. So while I do genuinely believe that this draft is a bit more open than usual, I think we'll be surer of the outcome in a couple days.

 

[CaptainMurphy]

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So many of these are underestimating how high Murphy will go. It's been pretty clear for a while he's probably going top ten, and if not will not last past Sydney, and even if he somehow miraculously does he won't last past us.

 

[goodcop badcop]

I love Quayle and her mocks, but to be completely fair, she did always play it safer by waiting until the very last minute. Her mock wouldn't be out 'til Wednesday night IIRC, and I reckon by then we'll have a little more clarity.

This time a couple years ago we still weren't sure whether Petracca or McCartin would be #1, but two days out most were adamant it would be McCartin. It wasn't until the morning of the draft that word broke that Cockatoo could be a shock top ten selection by Geelong. So while I do genuinely believe that this draft is a bit more open than usual, I think we'll be surer of the outcome in a couple days.

Her mocks were always a day before the draft. Played it way too safe, she would only do a top 20-30 as well. She was very accurate in her selections, almost too accurate for my liking. I'd prefer to be left in a bit more shock on the night, the top 10 usually went pretty much according to her predictions. I'm one that won't really miss her mock draft much.

I'll always miss her thoughts and articles she had though. The player articles in particular were terrific as was her combine harvester preview on all the players.

 

[King Harold]

Her mocks were always a day before the draft. Played it way too safe, she would only do a top 20-30 as well. She was very accurate in her selections, almost too accurate for my liking. I'd prefer to be left in a bit more shock on the night, the top 10 usually went pretty much according to her predictions. I'm one that won't really miss her mock draft much.

I'll always miss her thoughts and articles she had though. The player articles in particular were terrific as was her combine harvester preview on all the players.

Good Riddells Creek girl.
Bad news , family rabid Bombers fans , and I mean rabid

 

[yebiga]

If you take into account how many high draft picks fail the wise thing is not to pick what you need - but first pick what you are most confident will succeed at AFL level.

It is on that basis that we may well be seriously considering Naughton.

There is a lot in the this draft which look good - but history says most of them in the top 20 won’t have any kind of career.

Around our mark - Naughton, Brayshaw you would have very high confidence they will have substantial Careers.

 

[Bemoreboyddog]

Why exactly are we seemingly so keen on adding another key defender?!

Honestly this whole thing is scaring the shit out of me. I'm starting to think we're going to play Trengove ruck and Adams forward which would be in line with our recent fascination with dragging players out of their preferred positions.

I’d be fine with trengove rucking. But with Roughead being named in leadership group today i just don’t see it.

 

[CaptainMurphy]

I’d be fine with trengove rucking. But with Roughead being named in leadership group today i just don’t see it.

They were voted in by the playing group, it's no indication of their likelyhood to get games.

 

[King Harold]

If you take into account how many high draft picks fail the wise thing is not to pick what you need - but first pick what you are most confident will succeed at AFL level.

It is on that basis that we may well be seriously considering Naughton.

There is a lot in the this draft which look good - but history says most of them in the top 20 won’t have any kind of career.

Around our mark - Naughton, Brayshaw you would have very high confidence they will have substantial Careers.

Absolutely agree ,has to best available for me.

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

If you take into account how many high draft picks fail the wise thing is not to pick what you need - but first pick what you are most confident will succeed at AFL level.

It is on that basis that we may well be seriously considering Naughton.

There is a lot in the this draft which look good - but history says most of them in the top 20 won’t have any kind of career.

Around our mark - Naughton, Brayshaw you would have very high confidence they will have substantial Careers.

I see it similarly, but with a slight twist: you should pick what you are most confident will succeed for your team.

Having confidence that they will make the grade is undoubtedly the most important thing, but that player may not succeed at your club if they have a backlog to contend with, and/or they are unable to play consistently in their primary position because of this backlog.

I see Naughton as being in this category. If we take him, he is either going to play unfamiliar positions or roles, or he is going to force others to. You cannot simply accommodate Trengove, Cordy, Adams, Wood, Morris, Young, Collins, Roberts, Mullenger-McHugh and Naughton in such a way that allows all ten (!!!!!!) of them to play enough minutes at their primary positions to develop effectively.

In short, while Naughton may be the player you are the most confident in adapting to AFL standard play, I think his development would be at a disadvantage at our club. Such a disadvantage would not exist for many others, and thus I would be more inclined to select them.

 

[yebiga]

I see it similarly, but with a slight twist: you should pick what you are most confident will succeed for your team.

Having confidence that they will make the grade is undoubtedly the most important thing, but that player may not succeed at your club if they have a backlog to contend with, and/or they are unable to play consistently in their primary position because of this backlog.

I see Naughton as being in this category. If we take him, he is either going to play unfamiliar positions or roles, or he is going to force others to. You cannot simply accommodate Trengove, Cordy, Adams, Wood, Morris, Young, Collins, Roberts, Mullenger-McHugh and Naughton in such a way that allows all ten (!!!!!!) of them to play enough minutes at their primary positions to develop effectively.

In short, while Naughton may be the player you are the most confident in adapting to AFL standard play, I think his development would be at a disadvantage at our club. Such a disadvantage would not exist for many others, and thus I would be more inclined to select them.

All valid points but
Morris is in his last year. Let’s be honest, Adams is one injury on that foot away from retirement.

Fletcher and Collins are holding on by a thread.

Naughton also appears to have far more counter attack and dare in his game than any of the above.

I’m sure the club has a preference for a number who fit our requirements but if they are gone

 

[doggies ftw]

Oh boy I can't wait til this is over and we just know who we've got

 

[Leviticus]

Imagine if we take Naughton at 9 or Brander at 16 (heaven forbid both!) and in 2018 Collins develops, Young develops, Roberts recaptures his form, Adams plays the full season and Trengove establishes that he is the best at either CHB or FB.

What a f-up that would be.

I can't believe for a minute the club is going down one of these paths.

 

[dogwatch]

Imagine if we take Naughton at 9 or Brander at 16 (heaven forbid both!) and in 2018 Collins develops, Young develops, Roberts recaptures his form, Adams plays the full season and Trengove establishes that he is the best at either CHB or FB.

What a f-up that would be.

I can't believe for a minute the club is going down one of these paths.

Not necessarily. In its first 3 years GWS stocked up on best available of everything and over the next few years it has trickle-traded a lot of them out for high draft picks once they've decided which ones they want to keep (or which ones they are unable to keep). In this way they've had a steady supply of high picks every year despite their progression up the ladder and the exhaustion of their initial priority selections on entry into the AFL.

I'm not advocating we do this BUT ... if we drafted and Brander and Naughton and they both became stars we could trade two out of Adams, Young, Brander and Naughton for some pretty decent picks, maybe even two first rounders. Look at the ridiculous price that Lever went for at age 21.

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

In its first 3 years GWS stocked up on best available of everything and over the next few years it has trickle-traded a lot of them out for high draft picks once they've decided which ones they want to keep (or which ones they are unable to keep).

I would argue that they certainly didn't win out of that, DW. Some may have been traded for good picks but if you go through it all and analyse it on a net basis I would argue that they have grown weaker as a result.

 

[VitalDread]

Dogs keen on Dom Barry at their last pick- Brett Anderson

 

[Leviticus]

Not necessarily. In its first 3 years GWS stocked up on best available of everything and over the next few years it has trickle-traded a lot of them out for high draft picks once they've decided which ones they want to keep (or which ones they are unable to keep). In this way they've had a steady supply of high picks every year despite their progression up the ladder and the exhaustion of their initial priority selections on entry into the AFL.

I'm not advocating we do this BUT ... if we drafted and Brander and Naughton and they both became stars we could trade two out of Adams, Young, Brander and Naughton for some pretty decent picks, maybe even two first rounders. Look at the ridiculous price that Lever went for at age 21.

hmmm, maybe. But I wan't us to chase the premiership in 2018 or 2019. Our list is good after the trade period, just need to nail these 2 first round picks with the Cup in view and find some value in 79 and the rookie draft (R Smith is an excellent start).

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

Dogs keen on Dom Barry at their last pick- Brett Anderson

Oh dear god these rumours just keep getting worse and worse

 

[dogwatch]

I would argue that they certainly didn't win out of that, DW. Some may have been traded for good picks but if you go through it all and analyse it on a net basis I would argue that they have grown weaker as a result.

hmmm, maybe. But I wan't us to chase the premiership in 2018 or 2019. Our list is good after the trade period, just need to nail these 2 first round picks with the Cup in view and find some value in 79 and the rookie draft (R Smith is an excellent start).

Not really disagreeing with either of those viewpoints. Just saying that if "best available" turns out to be something we have in good supply at the moment it won't necessarily be a strategic disaster.

FWIW I would probably not select either Naughton or Brander but I don't know 1/1000th of what Dalrymple knows about the contenders so I'm happy to wait and see what he does.

 

[Mutt]

Dogs keen on Dom Barry at their last pick- Brett Anderson

Oh dear god these rumours just keep getting worse and worse

Anderson probably just misheard.....Dalrymple likes Dom Perignon.

 

[VitalDread]

Don't see why Dogs would not pick Stephenson at 9 if he slips

 

[House_of_Dahl]

Not necessarily. In its first 3 years GWS stocked up on best available of everything and over the next few years it has trickle-traded a lot of them out for high draft picks once they've decided which ones they want to keep (or which ones they are unable to keep). In this way they've had a steady supply of high picks every year despite their progression up the ladder and the exhaustion of their initial priority selections on entry into the AFL.

I'm not advocating we do this BUT ... if we drafted and Brander and Naughton and they both became stars we could trade two out of Adams, Young, Brander and Naughton for some pretty decent picks, maybe even two first rounders. Look at the ridiculous price that Lever went for at age 21.

Now we just need the AFL to gift us 20 first round picks and we can copy that

 

[Lindsay_Gilbee]

Dogs keen on Dom Barry at their last pick- Brett Anderson

I’ll be physically ill if that’s the case. He’s a putrid player who when he was first drafted had offield issues.

 

[Yojimbo]

Not necessarily. In its first 3 years GWS stocked up on best available of everything and over the next few years it has trickle-traded a lot of them out for high draft picks once they've decided which ones they want to keep (or which ones they are unable to keep). In this way they've had a steady supply of high picks every year despite their progression up the ladder and the exhaustion of their initial priority selections on entry into the AFL.

I'm not advocating we do this BUT ... if we drafted and Brander and Naughton and they both became stars we could trade two out of Adams, Young, Brander and Naughton for some pretty decent picks, maybe even two first rounders. Look at the ridiculous price that Lever went for at age 21.

I would argue DW that a team of GWS rejects would win the flag
before their current team in the magical land where they all
ended up at the same team. They had fifty plus on their list
at one stage and fully expected to dumb it down over time.
No one should ever employ their strategy as it was forced
upon them as the good teams locked up all their senior
talent and only offered pick compensation.