List Mgmt. 2017 Draft Prospects

[Gollo]

I want LDU, I do like Dow. He probably goes first, but LDU has some decent speed that I didn't notice right away just because of his size

When bigger players move quick, they don't look as fast as short players
I guess that's because they don't have to move their legs as much?

I'm becoming a little disillusioned with LDU. His recent production, albeit playing forward, has been nothing to write home about, and his lack of contested ball-winning at the champs worries me. Feel like he's a Will Brodie-type - someone who will make the grade to a decent extent, but has a very high chance of maintaining good, never reaching another level. I much prefer Dow because he's one with genuine leg speed and contested ball-winning ability and more consistent midfield production.

I still rate Cerra above them, with his combination of excellent skills, consistently high production and his ability to get to places to win the ball in the contest without having to use brute force.

 

[Dav1d]

I'm becoming a little disillusioned with LDU. His recent production, albeit playing forward, has been nothing to write home about, and his lack of contested ball-winning at the champs worries me. Feel like he's a Will Brodie-type - someone who will make the grade to a decent extent, but has a very high chance of maintaining good, never reaching another level. I much prefer Dow because he's one with genuine leg speed and contested ball-winning ability and more consistent midfield production.

I still rate Cerra above them, with his combination of excellent skills, consistently high production and his ability to get to places to win the ball in the contest without having to use brute force.

Any of those 3 would be good

That's why if we get a top 5 pick, I hope the recruiters are in love with Rayner. Even if you don't personally rate him that highly

 

[Gollo]

Any of those 3 would be good

That's why if we get a top 5 pick, I hope the recruiters are in love with Rayner. Even if you don't personally rate him that highly

Fair enough. In any case, if we can land Carlton's 3 and keep 9, I'd be praying for a Cerra/Coffield combo. Plug those two guys into the squad and our skills going forward issue almost becomes resolved (or so I'd hope).

 

[Dav1d]

Fair enough. In any case, if we can land Carlton's 3 and keep 9, I'd be praying for a Cerra/Coffield combo. Plug those two guys into the squad and our skills going forward issue almost becomes resolved (or so I'd hope).

Yeah, I'd still like to add some pace


But I suppose Jong adds that

 

[Gollo]

Yeah, I'd still like to add some pace


But I suppose Jong adds that

Geez, you're a tough taskmaster if you think Coffield doesn't add pace . 2.9sec 20m sprint is pretty good for me.

 

[Dav1d]

Geez, you're a tough taskmaster if you think Coffield doesn't add pace . 2.9sec 20m sprint is pretty good for me.

What is Cerras like?

Its been strange that we don't see Dahlhaus running and breaking the lines like we used to, I wonder what is up with that.

But yeah, we need someone quick in that back line to help out JJ, now that Murphy is gone

 

[Gollo]

What is Cerras like?

Its been strange that we don't see Dahlhaus running and breaking the lines like we used to, I wonder what is up with that.

But yeah, we need someone quick in that back line to help out JJ, now that Murphy is gone

No idea what Cerra runs, but I would expect it to far exceed most draft watchers' expectations. I have no idea why he gets criticised for his athleticism, it looks totally adequate for his position - he doesn't get caught often and his lateral movement and decision-making skills make up for any supposed lack of pace he may have.

Dahlhaus is really interesting because from all memory I have of him as the dreadlocked, high-intensity small forward, he was electrifying, but now it looks as if his speed is average at best. I cannot figure out why, but he has definitely lost pace over the years - since 2016 it has been noticeable that he doesn't have any real pace advantage over his opponents.

 

[Dav1d]

No idea what Cerra runs, but I would expect it to far exceed most draft watchers' expectations. I have no idea why he gets criticised for his athleticism, it looks totally adequate for his position - he doesn't get caught often and his lateral movement and decision-making skills make up for any supposed lack of pace he may have.

Dahlhaus is really interesting because from all memory I have of him as the dreadlocked, high-intensity small forward, he was electrifying, but now it looks as if his speed is average at best. I cannot figure out why, but he has definitely lost pace over the years - since 2016 it has been noticeable that he doesn't have any real pace advantage over his opponents.

And Dahl usually tests as one of our quickest during the pre season to

 

[MrChristo]

(Sorry to but in on a thread I love reading but have absolutely no reason to contribute in...)

Is it simply because Dahl now runs more...

Has he traded burst speed for endurance? The amount of times you see him bend double, spent after multiple efforts...

He was a massive part of our forward pressure in '16, I just don't see him as the midfield type he's been played as this year.

Anyway, carry on you lot. It's great stuff.

 

[Gollo]

(Sorry to but in on a thread I love reading but have absolutely no reason to contribute in...)

Is it simply because Dahl now runs more...

Has he traded burst speed for endurance? The amount of times you see him bend double, spent after multiple efforts...

He was a massive part of our forward pressure in '16, I just don't see him as the midfield type he's been played as this year.

Anyway, carry on you lot. It's great stuff.

Fair enough comment, but no player should have to give up speed to improve their tank. Players who come into the competition with speed don't compromise naturally fast-twitch muscle fibres to gain aerobic capacity. It doesn't need to happen. Players who are naturally powerful with stronger anaerobic capacity generally do not have the same aerobic ability as endurance specialists, but it's not a trade-off that in order to gain endurance one must sacrifice their speed and power.

 

[MrChristo]

No, I understand the mechanics of it, but in simple terms, you'll run faster after 4 sprints in 5 minutes as opposed to 10...

 

[Gollo]

No, I understand the mechanics of it, but in simple terms, you'll run faster after 4 sprints in 5 minutes as opposed to 10...

True, although he looks just generally slower this year than years prior. Can't quite put my finger on why.

 

[JAMES_B_101]

Fair enough comment, but no player should have to give up speed to improve their tank. Players who come into the competition with speed don't compromise naturally fast-twitch muscle fibres to gain aerobic capacity. It doesn't need to happen. Players who are naturally powerful with stronger anaerobic capacity generally do not have the same aerobic ability as endurance specialists, but it's not a trade-off that in order to gain endurance one must sacrifice their speed and power.

I think with Dahl it's more a case of him always having had good acceleration but his top end speed isn't lightning, and never has been. I have always thought he's been caught when he tries to go for a long run, or closed down quickly enough.

 

[hatescaptcha]

Considering the draft is so even after the first 4 or so. I wouldn't be surprised if Dal pulled the trigger on a player that hasn't been touted as a super early selection but is high on his list.



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[Dav1d]

Considering the draft is so even after the first 4 or so. I wouldn't be surprised if Dal pulled the trigger on a player that hasn't been touted as a super early selection but is high on his list.



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[Gollo]

I was at the game that day and Starcevich massively impressed me. Has that knack of getting his hands up and out of the contest to feed to width, circa Macrae, Bontempelli.

 

[hatescaptcha]

I watched this video last week and became an instant fan. Surprised he isn't talked about more.


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[McCraeBF]

Davies Uniacke

he will be the one.................with Stringer trade we must get him...

 

[Wizard17]

If we do lose Stringer then we must get a high pick in next years draft and get one of the King's or Lukosius.

 

[CaptainMurphy]

If we do lose Stringer then we must get a high pick in next years draft and get one of the King's or Lukosius.

Exactly my thinking. Here's our chance at drafting a big KPF. This is why I want North or Carlton's 2018 1st. Been banging on about it the whole time. I hope the club is thinking the same.

 

[Dav1d]

Exactly my thinking. Here's our chance at drafting a big KPF. This is why I want North or Carlton's 2018 1st. Been banging on about it the whole time. I hope the club is thinking the same.

I wonder if we can upgrade this years second up a few picks as well, really want a player and a pick so we don't have to continuously wait as clubs pick us off.

 

[Wizard17]

http://m.afl.com.au/news/2017-09-08/200cm-american-duo-out-to-nab-rookie-contract

Spoiler

THE NEXT wave of American AFL hopefuls will trial clubs next week in their bid to win a place on a list for next season.

Zach Lillie and Zach Allmon, both 23, touched down in Melbourne earlier this week and have been working on their skills under 2004 Port Adelaide premiership coach Mark Williams.

The pair will spend time at six clubs across their trip, including Collingwood, Essendon, Geelong, Western Bulldogs and Carlton, as they attempt to win a contract as an international category B rookie. They can sign with a club at any time.

On Friday they were also joined by current Magpie and US convert Mason Cox for some further skills work, with AFL international and national talent manager Kevin Sheehan saying the ruckman had offered a good perspective on transitioning to a new sport.

"It's been a massive learning curve over the first five days and in amongst Mark's coaching, we've had Mason come in as the guy with the practical experience having been through it all," Sheehan said.

"For a couple of hours today it's been fantastic to have his insight into the challenges of adapting to a game that these boys hadn't heard of six months ago."

The AFL has for several years targeted ruck and key position prospects out of America, and sees an opening for cross-code players to excel in those positions.

"From our experience there's so many of our current ruckmen have played other sports in their teens around Australia and weren't playing footy all their lives but they play that specialist rucking role quite brilliantly," he said.

"Whether you're Josh Jenkins, Brodie Grundy or Kurt Tippett from basketball, or Zac Smith from soccer, we've seen it happen a lot."

Lillie and Allmon were selected by the AFL for the trial after their efforts at the LA Combine earlier this year, when they were two of the standout performers.

Allmon (203cm) finished in the top five for repeat sprints and running vertical jump, while Lillie (201cm) won the agility run and came third in the 20-metre sprint with a time of 2.92 seconds.

"Zach Allmon has been playing some footy in Orange County in the USA of late once he knew he was coming out here. His skill acquisition has been quite amazing with his kicking in particular. He's become a fanatic really quickly," Sheehan said.

"Lillie's agility is super elite and he's exciting when he floats and takes the ball at his highest point. He's developing his kicking technique and is a little bit behind Allman in that, but only because he's been thrown the Sherrin for the first time in the past couple of weeks. He's 201cm with a brilliant natural spring.

"He will go via China on the way home because he's got a basketball try-out there. That's the space we are working in where there are Asian and European opportunities for college basketball, but hopefully these boys want to be professionals like Mason Cox for the next 10 years."

The duo will attend their first AFL match at Friday night's qualifying final between Richmond and Geelong at the MCG.

According to the article they spent time at the club.

 

[Wizard17]

Problem is he hasn't exactly set the world on fire at WAFL colts level after the champs.

He will be around 40 - late range

 

[Wizard17]

Just so the regulars on here know, all the TAC Cup finals are being live streamed.

 

[Dav1d]

Just so the regulars on here know, all the TAC Cup finals are being live streamed.

Please feel free to post their dates & links