List Mgmt. 2017 Draft Prospects

[goodcop badcop]

I can't see the same match winning ability with those other mids. Andrew was a huge reason why Sandy won on the weekend, was a big factor at the big moments.

I'd argue last year proved we have quite a few that are capable of stepping up in the big moments. We have drafted quite a few. Wallis, Liberatore, Macrae and McLean were all premiership winning, big time finals performers and match winners at that level. Jong had a very good grand final as well. Bailey Dale had one match winning final from memory which is why I was keen on him. Roberts is another separate from the midfield group that kicked 5 goals on grand final day. It's something we do look out for and it's something I really love in a player too. But I'm not quite convinced Brayshaw is the right type of player for us. And given Beveridge loves versatility in a player I'm not convinced he will do that well in other positions. He's not a particularly great aerialist, so I'm not convinced he will make a good forward. That said, I won't be upset if we did end up taking him, I think he will be a good player. I'm not sure he really helps us a great deal with some of our issues though.

 

[King Harold]

Just catching up on the last 5 pages.

Angus has elite breakaway pace, I've seen him break away from stoppages on a number of occasions at TAC level. I think that's the main elite trait he possesses, but for whatever reason he doesn't yet have the confidence to use it at AFL level. He has a 20m sprint time of 2.81 which is ridiculous. This article below says it better then I can and it does mention he was pretty smart around goal too.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-10-28/30-days-to-the-draft-meet-angus-brayshaw

Andrew is more of an endurance athlete that has a good sidestep and a very quick first very steps. He's a better user too IMO (good vision), but I think sometimes he can handball too much instead of taking the game on himself. That's kinda why I'm in too minds whether he would be a good choice for us. I quite like him as a player, but I wonder if he's too similar to our other mids and like you said we have West to consider next year as well.

Thanks to all you blokes that give us your opinions and observations.
I really look forward to your posts this time of year.

 

[Wizard17]

I'd argue last year proved we have quite a few that are capable of stepping up in the big moments. We have drafted quite a few. Wallis, Liberatore, Macrae and McLean were all premiership winning, big time finals performers and match winners at that level. Jong had a very good grand final as well. Bailey Dale had one match winning final from memory which is why I was keen on him. Roberts is another separate from the midfield group that kicked 5 goals on grand final day. It's something we do look out for and it's something I really love in a player too. But I'm not quite convinced Brayshaw is the right type of player for us. And given Beveridge loves versatility in a player I'm not convinced he will do that well in other positions. He's not a particularly great aerialist, so I'm not convinced he will make a good forward. That said, I won't be upset if we did end up taking him, I think he will be a good player. I'm not sure he really helps us a great deal with some of our issues though.

Imo last year Andrew was playing quite a lot on the half back and half forward lines and looked pretty good there. Not saying that he is super versatile but he has ability on the outside and inside of contests and if we get another top 11ish pick for Stringer I think we can use it to take a risk with one (Allen, Richards or Naughton) and then go with a safer selection with the other (Constable & A.Brayshaw) similarly to what we did with Dunkley & Collins or Macrae & Stringer.

The question with A.Brayshaw is whether or not he can become a top line mid because that would take a lot of pressure off Bontempelli to win us games all the time.

 

[VitalDread]

heard whispers that Tom Goodwin from Coburg will be doing a medical for AFL clubs with Dogs keen on him

 

[goodcop badcop]

Imo last year Andrew was playing quite a lot on the half back and half forward lines and looked pretty good there. Not saying that he is super versatile but he has ability on the outside and inside of contests and if we get another top 11ish pick for Stringer I think we can use it to take a risk with one (Allen, Richards or Naughton) and then go with a safer selection with the other (Constable & A.Brayshaw) similarly to what we did with Dunkley & Collins or Macrae & Stringer.

The question with A.Brayshaw is whether or not he can become a top line mid because that would take a lot of pressure off Bontempelli to win us games all the time.

That should be the expectation for all top 10 picks, they end up as A graders. I think Brayshaw could end up being one, but I guess it's whether or not he has the upside and he doesn't appear to have a huge amount. I think at worst he ends up a B-grader. In any case I'm not sure he's a huge upgrade or adds that point of difference to our midfield. It's kind of like the argument I had against drafting Ollie Wines. Even though most people will say Wines was the better, and has been the better player now, I will always choose Macrae no matter who ends up better because he's added something totally different to the side. It's a little bit similar with Brayshaw.

I think what we need most is player's with good pace, elite ball use, X-factor, natural forward instincts and aerialists. I'd be hoping for two of these attributes for our first pick/s, Brayshaw has none except for a burst of speed. So I'd prefer to just back in the midfield we have now and hope that Libba can find form to give more support to Bont, Macrae etc now and in future years. Then we have Dale, McLean, Dunkley, Daniel and even Williams that are still very young and could improve our midfield a lot in years to come.

 

[Dav1d]

goodcop badcop

What are your thoughts on Naughton then?

I like him a lot but wonder what that means for our other key backs (yes I know, he might take a while to develop).

 

[VitalDread]

goodcop badcop

What are your thoughts on Naughton then?

I like him a lot but wonder what that means for our other key backs (yes I know, he might take a while to develop).

He's predictable with his handballs and has a odd kicking style
Similar to talia

 

[Dav1d]

He's predictable with his handballs and has a odd kicking style
Similar to talia

Daniel Talia?

That is quite the compliment then.

 

[VitalDread]

Daniel Talia?

That is quite the compliment then.

Mike

 

[Dav1d]

Mike

Who.

 

[goodcop badcop]

goodcop badcop

What are your thoughts on Naughton then?

I like him a lot but wonder what that means for our other key backs (yes I know, he might take a while to develop).

I like him as a player too, I'm not really sure to be honest. It's a difficult one to gauge as there's a decent chance Adams becomes a forward (I've liked what I've seen so far) and Young was drafted as a forward. I have no idea if he can play as one though. Collins may or may not come on. And Trengove may be used more in the ruck, that would be Beveridge's style.

I don't think it would be a bad idea.

 

[goodcop badcop]

Dav1d who are you leaning towards?

This for everyone. What do you think is our biggest need apart from a key forward?

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

Dav1d who are you leaning towards?

This for everyone. What do you think is our biggest need apart from a key forward?

More focused on attributes than positions: skill through the middle of the ground, followed closely by aerial ability and forward nous.

 

[CaptainMurphy]

Dav1d who are you leaning towards?

This for everyone. What do you think is our biggest need apart from a key forward?

Midfield dash and goal kicking ability (doesn't necessarily have to be a KPF)

 

[Dav1d]

Dav1d who are you leaning towards?

This for everyone. What do you think is our biggest need apart from a key forward?

Well this is just early

But probably Oscar Allen,
Simply need more options up forward & his beep test of 14 is crazy for the build that he is

He uses the ball pretty good around the ground, but he doesn't seem to get knocked away from a marking contest when I have seen him. Maybe this changes at the next level, that is just my observations about him.

Coffield would be great to, height, athleticism & uses the ball superbly. The only criticism that I have is that he hasn't really shown consistently that he can play midfield & sometimes I think he is too safe for someone that uses the ball as well as him.

 

[TempletonTheRat]

just had a read up on Naughton.

Is he similar to Lever?

noted Sumich described him as having an "uncanny" kicking style - seemed a very odd way to describe it.

 

[goodcop badcop]

Well this is just early

But probably Oscar Allen,
Simply need more options up forward & his beep test of 14 is crazy for the build that he is

He uses the ball pretty good around the ground, but he doesn't seem to get knocked away from a marking contest when I have seen him. Maybe this changes at the next level, that is just my observations about him.

Coffield would be great to, height, athleticism & uses the ball superbly. The only criticism that I have is that he hasn't really shown consistently that he can play midfield & sometimes I think he is too safe for someone that uses the ball as well as him.

How good is Allen's ground level ability from your observations? I've only seen the one game and from what I've seen I'd want it to be a little bit better from a 3rd tall from where our first round pick is.

I have very similar question marks over Coffield and it's the reason why I think he's a decent chance at our pick.

 

[goodcop badcop]

just had a read up on Naughton.

Is he similar to Lever?

noted Sumich described him as having an "uncanny" kicking style - seemed a very odd way to describe it.

I think he's more athletic than Lever, but yeah he loves to intercept. Has the potential to play on the best key forwards IMO.

His kicking is a bit loopy, needs to flatten it out a bit.

I don't like the Lever comparison.

 

[TempletonTheRat]

I think he's more athletic than Lever, but yeah he loves to intercept. Has the potential to play on the best key forwards IMO.

His kicking is a bit loopy, needs to flatten it out a bit.

I don't like the Lever comparison.

Thanks GCBC - haven't seen any vision so was just going by the write up.

 

[Wizard17]

Dav1d who are you leaning towards?

This for everyone. What do you think is our biggest need apart from a key forward?

Forwards + good ball users + leg speed

 

[Wizard17]

Just finished watching the SA U18 GF.

First half from Houlihan was insane. His strength in the air is special. Faded though.

Charlie Ballard moves so well for a 195cm wingman too. Some of his pirouetting out of danger was class. Went into get the contest when he needed to too. I like him.

 

[CaptainMurphy]

Just finished watching the SA U18 GF.

First half from Houlihan was insane. His strength in the air is special. Faded though.

Charlie Ballard moves so well for a 195cm wingman too. Some of his pirouetting out of danger was class. Went into get the contest when he needed to too. I like him.

I've been liking Ballard a little while now. Unique player.

 

[Wizard17]

I've been liking Ballard a little while now. Unique player.

Don't get many KPP sized midfielders.

 

[CaptainMurphy]

Don't get many KPP sized midfielders.

Height could help with down the wing marks, which we could use.

 

[Dav1d]

How good is Allen's ground level ability from your observations? I've only seen the one game and from what I've seen I'd want it to be a little bit better from a 3rd tall from where our first round pick is.

I have very similar question marks over Coffield and it's the reason why I think he's a decent chance at our pick.

Ground level isn't great.

Brander has the most tools to his game as a tall forward & I would not be disappointed if he is selected, as long as he has the right attitude.
His game against Metro was really impressive; contested marks, smart leads, kicking set shots, setting up scoring shots, picking the ball up below his knees. The one question that I have is can he do this consistently. I personally don't like him at all as a key defender.