List Mgmt. 2017 Draft Prospects

[goodcop badcop]

Both look solid footballers TD , but not a fan of the way Higgins kicks the ball .
For the draft experts ---- is he a good kick ?

Perhaps a reliable kick is the best way to describe his kicking. Knows his limitations, but isn't a very damaging or a particularly good kick.

I don't think he's the right type of player for us to be honest.

 

[Dav1d]

Both look solid footballers TD , but not a fan of the way Higgins kicks the ball .
For the draft experts ---- is he a good kick ?

I have no problems with his kicking
But I believe his forward craft has certainly been embelished

I also really do not want to add another player under the 180cm player if they aren't a jet small forward

 

[King Harold]

Perhaps a reliable kick is the best way to describe his kicking. Knows his limitations, but isn't a very damaging or a particularly good kick.

I don't think he's the right type of player for us to be honest.

I agree , not for us.
Can't say I have great expectation after watching highlight vids.
Havnt looked at any of the talls , because for the first time the history of me following the club -- we don't need any !
But any of the mids we may be able to get are very vanilla !

 

[Leviticus]

If we are going for midfielders:

1. They have to be genuine midfielders. Not players who "could become" midfielders. That usually doesn't work out and the term "potential midfielder" is tacked onto just about every draft prospect who isn't a key position player. Qualities required, I think, are more outside than inside as we have a strong inside group already (Macrae, Libba, Wallace, Bont, Dahlhaus, perhaps C Smith and R Smith) - did I forget anyone?
2. They have to have a history of constant involvement in the play. There are plenty of skilled disposers who only get a handful of possessions a game. That just won't cut it with high draft picks.

Who genuinely fits this bill with picks 9 & 16?

(I only know what I can read on the internet about draft prospects).

 

[Leviticus]

I posted my comments above because I see things like:

Nick Coffield:
POS: Midfielder/half-back, Ht 190cm, Wt 83kg, DOB 23/10/1999
From Northern Knights/Vic Metro
August ranking: 11

There will be a lot of interest in Coffield because of his range of traits. The Northern Knights captain can play all over the ground, but has tended to spend most of his time as a general type of defender who, at his size, can match up on different types of opponents. He has a turn of pace and can be a ball-carrier out of defence and through the midfield, he is a reliable kick, and in time would be expected to be in the midfield. Was a shining light for the Knights in their TAC Cup finals loss with 25 disposals and six clearances, and it wouldn't be a surprise to see him in the top-10 on draft night.

Can you see, I am immediately suspicious because the same was said, for example about Stringer and Aaron Francis at their draft times. Stringer was only useful for centre bounce clearances when you wanted to go for broke. Not a midfielder in any other sense of the term. As for Francis....phhht, he is a forward and always was.

 

[Leviticus]

when you hear claims along the lines of: ...could develop into a big bodied midfielder...

Buyer beware.

You are buying a forward or defender. [forgive edits]

 

[TempleKelvington]

Ineligible for 2017 draft.

He is a special prospect. I haven't seen anyone like him with his combination of genuine pace, evasive skills, ball-winning ability, elite hands, goal sense and strength despite his small frame. Rankine is insanely talented - more talented than anyone I have ever seen at U17 or U18 level. The only knock he would have is that his kicking can be inconsistent when on the run, but he brings so much to the table that it's basically inconsequential.

Thanks for that, I thought something was wrong, he looked better than most of the touted top 10 or so for this year.

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

when you hear claims along the lines of: ...could develop into a big bodied midfielder...

Buyer beware.

While I understand your point, the problem is - much like key forwards - the genuine midfielders with high production and elite assets go off the board very early. Once they go, you generally have genuine midfielders with some decent skills, or flankers with high upside/great attributes. Recruiters often go for the latter because they have the potential to develop into elite players, rather than being limited to being solid mids.

I'm sure Nat Fyfe had that exact line in his bio, for example. And him not featuring heavily in the midfield is the only reason he wasn't taken in the first handful of players.

 

[Leviticus]

While I understand your point, the problem is - much like key forwards - the genuine midfielders with high production and elite assets go off the board very early. Once they go, you generally have genuine midfielders with some decent skills, or flankers with high upside/great attributes. Recruiters often go for the latter because they have the potential to develop into elite players, rather than being limited to being solid mids.

I'm sure Nat Fyfe had that exact line in his bio, for example. And him not featuring heavily in the midfield is the only reason he wasn't taken in the first handful of players.

ok, very interesting point, it rings 100% true - so we may have to get a bit speculative, especially with pick 16 if we are going for a draftee who could be a high possession midfielder with above avg disposal skills.

I would be very wary of recruiting someone like Darcy Fogerty (192cm, 92kg) as a prospective midfielder. Callum Twomey has him ranked as 7th most desireable and is tacking the "/mid" tag to him. But to me a guy of that size at 18 just won't make it as a genuine midfielder. Highly unlikely. You pick him as a forward if you want him.

 

[Dav1d]

But to me a guy of that size at 18 just won't make it as a genuine midfielder. Highly unlikely. You pick him as a forward if you want him.

Would you care to elaborate why you believe that for?

I don't want Fogarty at 9 or at 16 by the way, I am just curious.

 

[Gollo]

I posted my comments above because I see things like:

Nick Coffield:
POS: Midfielder/half-back, Ht 190cm, Wt 83kg, DOB 23/10/1999
From Northern Knights/Vic Metro
August ranking: 11

There will be a lot of interest in Coffield because of his range of traits. The Northern Knights captain can play all over the ground, but has tended to spend most of his time as a general type of defender who, at his size, can match up on different types of opponents. He has a turn of pace and can be a ball-carrier out of defence and through the midfield, he is a reliable kick, and in time would be expected to be in the midfield. Was a shining light for the Knights in their TAC Cup finals loss with 25 disposals and six clearances, and it wouldn't be a surprise to see him in the top-10 on draft night.

Can you see, I am immediately suspicious because the same was said, for example about Stringer and Aaron Francis at their draft times. Stringer was only useful for centre bounce clearances when you wanted to go for broke. Not a midfielder in any other sense of the term. As for Francis....phhht, he is a forward and always was.

No one should be drafting Coffield as a prospective midfielder. That would be a talent identification flaw. I consider it pretty unlikely that he develops into an inside midfielder as his main role at any stage of his career.

Thing is, he is in the very top echelon of eligible prospects while not being an inside mid. He is a general defender/wingman who is the best kick in the draft with excellent speed, composure and production. He should be no. 1 on our list of possibly available prospects at pick 9 simply because of those traits as a defender/outside mid. He's good enough that he doesn't need to be seen as a 'potential midfielder'.

I think, in general, Cal Twomey's assessments of this year's prospects are pretty far off the mark. I wouldn't be going to his form guides as an indicator of many players' role/traits/potential. In my opinion, he overrates Rayner, Brander, Fogarty and Murphy far too much, and his player profiles aren't terribly accurate to many players' true attributes.

 

[Leviticus]

Would you care to elaborate why you believe that for?

I don't want Fogarty at 9 or at 16 by the way, I am just curious.

I don't think we need him either as a forward. I am just concerned that we may blow the picks on potential "big bodied" mids who turn out to be not up to it because they are not suited to the physical demands of a genuine good midfielder.

We have been trying to turn Webb into a mid. He is a half back or a back pocket, perhaps a little more versatile than that but his is not a mid.

I have decided that a player is either a mid or they are not. I get annoyed with they way so many potential recruits are touted as mids and get worried that we may end up with a forward pocket when we were going for a mid.

But Dannnn's point has made me clear as to the realities. We are all crossing our fingers that Dalrymple can get it right.

 

[Royal Doulton]

Draft Prediction to our 1st Pick;

1.Davies-Uniacke (Bris)
2.Fogarty (Fre)
3.Rayner (Car)
4.Cerra (NM)
5.Stephenson (Fre)
6.Brander (Coll)
7.Dow (Stk)
8. Coffield (Stk)
9.Naish (Rich - matched Bid)

So who do we take @P.10?

S.Hayes too many similar types on list - No

Jack Higgins, Charlie Constable, Andrew Brayshaw or Lochie O'Brien?

Higgins or O'Brien for mine...

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

Draft Prediction to our 1st Pick;

1.Davies-Uniacke (Bris)
2.Fogarty (Fre)
3.Rayner (Car)
4.Cerra (NM)
5.Stephenson (Fre)
6.Brander (Coll)
7.Dow (Stk)
8. Coffield (Stk)
9.Naish (Rich - matched Bid)

So who do we take @P.10?

S.Hayes too many similar types on list - No

Jack Higgins, Charlie Constable, Andrew Brayshaw or Lochie O'Brien?

Higgins or O'Brien for mine...


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If Brayshaw's there he has to be the pick from my perspective.

Won't be, though.

 

[Dav1d]

1.Davies-Uniacke (Bris)
2. Stephenson (Fre)
3. Dow (Car)
4. Brayshaw (NM)
5. Rayner (Fre)
6. Naughton (Coll)
7. Coffield (Stk)
8. Cerra (Stk)

That is my prediction, with a gut punching two picks just before ours.

 

[LittleG]

Draft Prediction to our 1st Pick;

1.Davies-Uniacke (Bris)
2.Fogarty (Fre)
3.Rayner (Car)
4.Cerra (NM)
5.Stephenson (Fre)
6.Brander (Coll)
7.Dow (Stk)
8. Coffield (Stk)
9.Naish (Rich - matched Bid)

So who do we take @P.10?

S.Hayes too many similar types on list - No

Jack Higgins, Charlie Constable, Andrew Brayshaw or Lochie O'Brien?

Higgins or O'Brien for mine...

I doubt Brander goes that high. Likely to be Brayshaw instead.

Also, Naish is unlikely to be bid on until at least our pick 16.

 

[Yojimbo]

Draft Prediction to our 1st Pick;

1.Davies-Uniacke (Bris)
2.Fogarty (Fre)
3.Rayner (Car)
4.Cerra (NM)
5.Stephenson (Fre)
6.Brander (Coll)
7.Dow (Stk)
8. Coffield (Stk)
9.Naish (Rich - matched Bid)

So who do we take @P.10?

S.Hayes too many similar types on list - No

Jack Higgins, Charlie Constable, Andrew Brayshaw or Lochie O'Brien?

Higgins or O'Brien for mine...

Naish is not a pick 9, doubt Richmond would match that to
be honest. They have Naish types coming out of their
arses at the moment.

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

Why is Cerra suddenly out of favour? Most of the write ups I've read struggle to come up with weaknesses yet he seems to be sliding down everyone's order all of a sudden.

 

[Dav1d]

Why is Cerra suddenly out of favour? Most of the write ups I've read struggle to come up with weaknesses yet he seems to be sliding down everyone's order all of a sudden.

Out of favour?
He's still in favour, he's firmly planted in that top 10.

My prediction is more of what I think the clubs will pick.

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

Out of favour?
He's still in favour, he's firmly planted in that top 10.

My prediction is more of what I think the clubs will pick.

No, I mean the dialogue all season has been that there are four clear standouts. I get that the gap has closed, but Cerra seems to be the one falling in everybody's mocks/rankings and nobody seems to be able to explain why that is.

 

[hatescaptcha]

This is my guess:

1. BRIS: Davies-Uniacke
2. FREO: Dow
3. CARL: Rayner
4. NM: Stephenson
5. FREO: Hayes
6. COLL: Coffield
7. SAINTS: Cerra
8. SAINTS: Brayshaw
9. WB: Constable
10. CARL: Bonar


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[Dav1d]

No, I mean the dialogue all season has been that there are four clear standouts. I get that the gap has closed, but Cerra seems to be the one falling in everybody's mocks/rankings and nobody seems to be able to explain why that is.

Some here rate him the second best

I rate him the third or fourth best

After LDU and Stephenson

Expecting North to either pick Cerra or play it safe with Brayshaw

 

[Leviticus]

Constable sounds like he would be competing with Bont, Macrae and our other good insiders for a position. So not sure at either 9 or 16.

 

[Royal Doulton]

1.Davies-Uniacke (Bris)
2. Stephenson (Fre)
3. Dow (Car)
4. Brayshaw (NM)
5. Rayner (Fre)
6. Naughton (Coll)
7. Coffield (Stk)
8. Cerra (Stk)

That is my prediction, with a gut punching two picks just before ours.

Hope you are right... Cant see Fogarty being available at our pick.. if so we'd be jumping on that..

 

[Northernsoul74]

Wh

Naish is not a pick 9, doubt Richmond would match that to
be honest. They have Naish types coming out of their
arses at the moment.

Where has the Naish link come from?